PB4 or someone probiotic savvy

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FitzyK23
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   Posted 6/18/2008 7:58 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi! Whenever I start to have female trouble (itching discomfort warning signs of infection) I take acidopholus pearls or increase my yogurt.  I just ran out and bought double strength acidopholus/bifodus tabs.  I took a pearl yesterday morning, one of the new one after dinner, and one before bed, and one pearl this morning.
 
Today I have had such bad urgency and emptying.  I had been doing great in that department.  I have gone about 5 times today and am pretty much empty.  My stomach does look flat for the first time in forever.  Well not flat but a lot less bloated.
 
Could the probiotics have caused this emptying.  Do I need to cut back? I also eat activia and a cheese that has the same probiotics in it.
 
I am worried because I just found out today I am going to have to travel 2+ hours each way with my boss tomorrow and or Friday.  Will stopping it make it better, or worse!!
 
I will get up early tomorrow and try to get out as much as possible first and then take an immodium and a xanax.  But geesh, this is bad timing.

karendee
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   Posted 6/18/2008 9:48 AM (GMT -7)   

I took extra probiotics for the same problem, (that dreaded yeast infection was arriving). I did not notice more frequency or urgency that day either. the extra did take away the female problem like a charm.

I hope someone can come by and answer this because I would love to know as well if more probiotics can mean more urgency.


 ...

Karen (Karendee)

Diagnosed w/ Crohn’s Disease  March 2007 On 150mg Azathioprine (generic Imuran), Pentasa, & Entocort (take zofran for nausea now)

Diagnosed w/  Fibromyalgia May 2007 also on Soma

Also on Prilosec 2x a day for reflux.

 


pb4
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   Posted 6/18/2008 10:09 AM (GMT -7)   
Hmmm Fitzyk I'm not aware of increasing probiotics to cause this, it could be a coincidence maybe...

I use the primadophilus reuteri made by natures way every single day, this one in particulare states it has guaranteed intestinal release, aid with vaginal health, high cholesterol and lactose intolerance issues...I generally only have to take one/day as directed on the bottle, but during my periods I'll take 2/day because the bowel activity from my periods increases so much and I find taking 2/day during that time only really helps.

I haven't had a single yeast infection since I started taking it daily 4ish yrs ago now and I used to be a chronic re-occuring yeast infection victim...key is taking probiotics every single day to keep the balance.  My lactose issues and high cholesterol issues are also gone and they were both severe.

You can use plain yogurt in the vagina to clear up a yeast infection, I was told this yrs ago by my GP and it works like a charm.

Generally probiotics should not increase frequency, it's more than likely a coincidence, since CD afterall can be stupid that way and the fact that there's a yeast infection going on might be enough to somehow make the CD a little more active, I know hormones play a role in the activity of the disease and that's generally why we can easily have more issued during and around the time of our cycles.

:)


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snohare
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   Posted 6/18/2008 3:18 PM (GMT -7)   
redface Ahem...if you would consider the words of a mere mono-tasking male....(sorry, but the words "girls stuff" were not in the title line !) I have found in the past that probiotic yoghurt can cause looseness and increased urgency etc, particularly whenever I stop taking it for any reason and then go back onto it. It has a distinct "damping down" effect on my gut, which is why I always have to go back to it, so I assume that when I start again it is killing off the baddies all over again, and the diarrhoea is the result of an increased mortality rate amongst the pathogenic bacteria. It does not always happen, but put it this way, I expect it.
Other friends of mine (females) who have tried probiotics have mentioned the emptying effect, usually as a reason why they didn't continue with them.
And yes, it is the only time my stomach looks dead flat, instead of that lopsided bloat. yeah
Please pretend I never spoke, as I slink away.... eyes

FitzyK23
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   Posted 6/18/2008 5:38 PM (GMT -7)   
Snohare - i really appreciate your feedback. No worries about being male. If you hadn't said you were male I wouldn't have known. For now I cut out the big mega double dose sized acidopholus/bifidus pill and just went with the acidopholus pearl. I also eat yogurt daily and am going to stick w/ that until things calm down again. Then I might try adding ONE per day of the big gun, but no more. Luckily my trip w/ my boss is pushed back till Wednesday so by then my gut should be in control.

pb4
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   Posted 6/18/2008 5:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Ya, what ever you do, I wouldn't quit taking probiotics, it's essential they are taken daily...if you feel you're getting too much then I'd cut back on the yogurt rather than probiotic supplements...play around with things until you find what works best for you.

:)
My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it!  LOL  :)


FitzyK23
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   Posted 6/18/2008 6:47 PM (GMT -7)   
I think the one giving me the problem is the Bifidus, personally. As much as I know they are important, I was in remission (more or less) until I took these. But I may have found part of the problem. The Double Strength Acidophilus/Bifidus I bought has lactose in it. I doubt the pearls do. Also the pearls are just acidophilus. This other pill has 8 billion rhamnosus, 1 billion bifidum, and 1 million acidophilus. I basically took three of those in 24 hours. I might try to return them for the pearls. (Whole foods encourages you to return things you buy and don't like even if there is nothing wrong with the product - at least my local one does.) Heck, they saw me throwing out a fermented juice drink I thought was gross and insisted on giving me my money back without me asking.

Is it normal for probiotics to come in lactose? Do you take pill form or pearl form or liquid form?

snohare
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   Posted 6/18/2008 7:25 PM (GMT -7)   
I have to take a dairy free soy based probiotic yoghurt partly because lactose does me no favours. My nutritional therapist insisted that capsules were not as good as live cultures - something to do with the physical properties of the delivery medium I think - and her advice has been so on the ball I have never tried anything else.
I'm sure I read somewhere here at HW recently, that bifidus is the one probiotic strain that seems to be a bit iffy for some people.
tongue Fitzy, if the truth be known, I only advertised I was male because for so long people on this forum kept thinking I was female, I began to worry that I might be expected to multitask ! yeah

pb4
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   Posted 6/18/2008 7:29 PM (GMT -7)   
I take caps, the primadophilus reuteri also comes in powder form but the caps are more convenient, these aid with lactose intolerance issues, I had severe lactose intolerance issues and had to use lactaid products, not anymore since taking the primadophilus daily, which is another reason why it's important to take probiotics daily...maybe you should give the primadophilus reuteri made by natures way a try.

:)
My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it!  LOL  :)


mkl11
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   Posted 6/18/2008 9:33 PM (GMT -7)   
interesting. probiotic yogurt had a completely different but equally unpleasant effect on me. i was doubled over in HORRIBLE stomach cramps all the time. it took me a couple weeks to link it to the yogurt, as my nutritionist recommended it specifically to help with crohn's. could have been the lactose though...i'd like to look into probiotic pills as these yeast infections are NOT going away, so i'm hoping it was a lactose related reaction. just came back from the gyno today with another round of diflucan and creme. fun stuff.
19, College Student, diagnosed June 2007, Remicade worked for a year, now switching to Humira.  Asacol made me worse, and refuse to go back on Prednisone.  Currently on a low gluten/sugar conscious/minimal dairy diet to control symptoms.  Studying in Prague, Czech Republic for Fall 2008 but concerned about disease while abroad.


pb4
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   Posted 6/18/2008 10:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Yogurt in general has the lactose broken down, but if you're eating yogurt that contains artificial sweetner, that itself can do a nubmer on a CDer.

:)
My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it!  LOL  :)


snohare
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   Posted 6/19/2008 4:25 AM (GMT -7)   
Are there specific sweeteners that are known to cause problems for Crohnies, pb ? I usually don't seem to have a problem, but I haven't been checking really. Could solve a wee puzzle or two. yeah

pb4
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   Posted 6/19/2008 10:24 AM (GMT -7)   
Sugar alcohols are the worst (anything ending in "tol", sorbiotl, xylitol, maltitiol, ect) but ALL sweetners really should be avoided...I avoid sugar myself as well, I only use Stevia when needed and honey.

:)
My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it!  LOL  :)

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