Digestive advantage for crohns???

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ddr030505
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   Posted 7/29/2008 7:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Ok so I just found out that my liver functions are elevated caused by Humira(at least thats the opionion of my doc until my U.S. tomorrow).. and I need to stop taking it.. I had gotten some samples of the Digestive Advantage Crohn's and Colitis Therapy and wanted to know if any one had ever taken it before and if it worked? or possibly could tell me more.. I am extremely scared to go on the other levels of the medications and want to do a more natural method.  also the b-12 injection, is it helpful to take that if your levels are within the normal level?
 
I am still taking Asacol daily though..
 
Thank you
Denise (Worried)
23 year old married female Diagnosed Sept '03 still fighting for remission longest break was 9 mths
Humira- 40 mg every 2 weeks (just took my first 4-12/6/07)
Asacol 6 400mg tabs aday
Entecort 9mg aday
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EMom
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   Posted 7/29/2008 7:35 PM (GMT -7)   
"Digestive Advantage Crohn's and Colitis Ingredients: Di-calcium Phosphate, GanedenBC30 (Bacillus coagulans GBI-30, 6086), Saccharomyces Boulardii, Sodium Starch Glycolate, Silicone Dioxide, Magnesium Stearate, Vitamins A,B,C,D,E, Folic Acid, Seleniun (soy), Lysine, FD&C Red #40, FD&C Blue #1 Lake.
Allergy warning: This product may contain trace amounts of casein (milk protein).
This product is lactose and gluten free."

Hi ddr03055, I just copied that from their website. Just my opinion here, but I wouldn't feed that to my dog. The ONLY beneficial bacteria listed is S. boulardii--the one Elaine Gottschall warns against for anyone w/Crohn's or UC!!! On top of that, it is filled with a lot of unnecessary and contra-indicated additives (starch?) and stuff most people can't pronounce. Also, there is no mention of how many cfu (colony forming units) per capsule.

There are frequent discussions here about what probiotics people use. We use Theralac which can be found by putting .com after its name. There are MANY good brands on the market, though. Choose one that has at least 10-15 billion guaranteed cfu per capsule and needs to be refrigerated. Health food stores are probably your best spot to buy them (and I don't consider GNC a health food store....) VSL#3 is probably the strongest probiotic on the market (225 billion cfu per capsule). Some here like it, some don't.

Put "probiotics" in the "search site" above and see what you find. Also, here's a recent thread on probiotics:

http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17&m=1194985

Good luck! I hope you feel better soon!
Mom to 16 year old boy diagnosed in June, 2007.
Omega 3s, digestive enzymes, probiotics, iron, vit. C, calcium w/D3, a good multivitamin, SCD legal yogurt, weaning off Asacol.
Started The Maker's Diet in Sept. '07. Gradually learning/using more SCD recipes, too! (cooking challenged)


patientspiders
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   Posted 7/29/2008 8:47 PM (GMT -7)   
I have to agree with EMom here... there's a LOT of stuff in there that I can't tollerate (magnesium, soy, and folic acid all give me trouble...). Maybe you'll have luck with them, but I would be hesitant.
26f, dx'd CD July '05 after 6 fistula/abscess surgeries
Remicade only, every 16 weeks.
Digestive enzymes, and probiotics.
Doing pretty darn good, all things considered. :-)

"Our greatest fear is not that we are inadequate, but that we are powerful beyond measure."

~Marianne Williamson


78SilvAnniv
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   Posted 7/29/2008 9:14 PM (GMT -7)   
I tried it with no positive results. Didn't make things worse, but it didn't make things better, either.
I feel it was a waste of money.
Heidi
I have the ability of single-minded determination and accurate project focu....Hey, look, a cat!
 
Crohn's and UC are pretty darn crappy, but if you can't laugh at yourself, you'll cry. 
I'd much rather laugh.
2001 Dx'd with UC.  No remission.  5/2008 surgery, removal of 6" of left side colon.  Dx changed to Crohn's.  Remission for 8-9wks after surgery, symptoms returning after resuming 6MP.


Keeper
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   Posted 7/29/2008 9:28 PM (GMT -7)   
That formula contains a soil bacteria (Bacillus coagulans) and a yeast (S. boulardii). The soil bacterium is supposed to destroy undesirable bacteria - although how it can distinguish the good bacteria from the bad escapes me. The yeast is supposed to eliminate the supposed "yeast infection" that some people think causes Crohn's. S. boulardii has caused bloating in some people, but I have not see a favorable report of it helping Crohn's. My feeling is that it is a product designed on a mistaken premise: that a "yeast" infection is the cause of Crohn's. There are no reports that I have seen that confirm that idea and several negative findings.
As suggested by others, a Lactobacillus formula without FOS (and I like the enteric coated formula I found) has a lot more to recommend it.

ddr030505
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   Posted 7/30/2008 9:04 AM (GMT -7)   
Wow, Thank you for the advise, I will definately take that into consideration. I just received it and thought before I took it I would ask around.. I had taken acidopholus before and it worked for a short time. I will look into the other forms.. Thankyou SO MUCH!
23 year old married female Diagnosed Sept '03 still fighting for remission longest break was 9 mths
Humira- 40 mg every 2 weeks (just took my first 4-12/6/07)
Asacol 6 400mg tabs aday
Entecort 9mg aday
Live Laugh Love, Live by this and you can fight anything!!
There are moments in your life that makes you and sets the course of who you're going to be. Sometimes there little, subtle moments. Sometimes, they're big moments you never saw coming. No one ask for their life to change, but it does. It's what you do afterwards that counts. That's when you find out who you are.
 


Rider Fan
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   Posted 7/31/2008 6:19 PM (GMT -7)   
EMom said...
"Digestive Advantage Crohn's and Colitis Ingredients: Di-calcium Phosphate, GanedenBC30 (Bacillus coagulans GBI-30, 6086), Saccharomyces Boulardii, Sodium Starch Glycolate, Silicone Dioxide, Magnesium Stearate, Vitamins A,B,C,D,E, Folic Acid, Seleniun (soy), Lysine, FD&C Red #40, FD&C Blue #1 Lake.
Allergy warning: This product may contain trace amounts of casein (milk protein).
This product is lactose and gluten free."

Hi ddr03055, I just copied that from their website. Just my opinion here, but I wouldn't feed that to my dog. The ONLY beneficial bacteria listed is S. boulardii--the one Elaine Gottschall warns against for anyone w/Crohn's or UC!!! On top of that, it is filled with a lot of unnecessary and contra-indicated additives (starch?) and stuff most people can't pronounce. Also, there is no mention of how many cfu (colony forming units) per capsule.


Actually, there have been clinical trials done demonstrating beneficial effects of S. boulardii.

http://health.med.umich.edu/healthcontent.cfm?xyzpdqabc=0&id=6&action=detail&AEProductid=hw_cam&AEArticleid=hn-2901004&AEArticleType=Cam#hn-2901004-also-indexed
Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

Current meds: 75 mg 6MP. 10mg prednisone (trying to taper). Udo's Choice Probiotics (30 billion).


EMom
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   Posted 8/1/2008 5:12 AM (GMT -7)   
Rider Fan, thanks for pointing that out! I figured there must be clinical evidence somewhere for doctors to be passing out S. boulardii! I will remain leery, though, because of the fact that it is a strain of yeast. My son has always been sensitive to yeasts/molds/fungi. Even at the bottom of the link it states, "There are at least nine case reports of severe, invasive (internal) fungal infections developing in people treated with the yeast organism Saccharomyces boulardii. All of these people were debilitated or had impaired immune function prior to receiving Saccharomyces boulardii.8, 9 No such adverse reactions have been reported with other probiotic supplements or in people with normal immune systems."

Again, I suppose we are back to what doesn't work for one person might work for another when it comes to Crohn's. :-)
Mom to 16 year old boy diagnosed in June, 2007.
Omega 3s, digestive enzymes, probiotics, iron, vit. C, calcium w/D3, a good multivitamin, SCD legal yogurt, weaning off Asacol.
Started The Maker's Diet in Sept. '07. Gradually learning/using more SCD recipes, too! (cooking challenged)


Roni
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   Posted 8/1/2008 10:59 AM (GMT -7)   
Try a natural and stronger multi blend probiotic like VSL #3 or Primal Defense probiotics. Most of us here on them have pretty good results with diarrhea and bloating reduction.
I've also started taking a multi blend digestive enzyme which is supposed to help.

nruth
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   Posted 8/1/2008 1:15 PM (GMT -7)   
I take it, and I honestly feel that it does help.

Nanners
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   Posted 8/1/2008 1:22 PM (GMT -7)   
I use another Digestive Advantage for Lactose Intolerance and it works well for me for that reason. But I have been thinking of trying the probiotic PB4 uses Primadolphillus Reuturi. That seems to work well for the lactose intolerance, yeast problems, bacteria problems etc. I have thought of trying that instead of taking two different probiotics like I do now. JMHO
Been living with Crohn's Disease for 32 years.  Currently on Asacol, Prilosec 60 mg, Estrace, Prinivil, Diltiazem, Percoset prn for pain and Calcium.  Resections in 2002 and 2005.  Recently diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and doing tests to see if I have Inflammatory Arthritis or AS.


nikki0294
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   Posted 8/4/2008 6:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Sboulardii is the main ingredient in Florastor a probiotic used to combat c.difficile. I have taken it many times and it really doesn't agree with me causes alot of rumbling in my stomach and mucus in my stools. Many people have favorable reports with florastor though. I used VSL#3.

When my daughter was on treatment for leukemia and had no immune system whatsoever because of all the chemo and she caught the flu for a few months...we couldn't start chemo again because even though she had no symptoms of the flu it was still in her system. The doctor gave her a probiotic called Culturelle to clear the flu from her system and it worked!! Culturell is sold at CVS and needs to be refridgerated.

Hope that helps!
Christine

stemikger
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   Posted 7/14/2009 11:05 PM (GMT -7)   
I have been using Digestive Advantage for Crohn's & Colitis for about 20 days now and I do notice a difference.  At first I bought Susstenex and then when I found out I had UC I switched to this.  However, I believe it is the same probiotic in both of them.  I now take Digestive Advantage in the morning and Sustenex 8 hours later. 
 
The differences I notice are no bad pains in the middle of my stomach, especially when I first wake up.  Also, I have only been going to the bathroom about 3 times a day instead of 20.  And finally, my first stool in the morning, is somewhat normal.  It is not totally formed, but not the complete liquid it has been.

Post Edited (stemikger) : 7/15/2009 12:09:07 AM (GMT-6)


sickofitall
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   Posted 7/16/2009 1:55 PM (GMT -7)   
I've been using this to combat C diff.... No problems with me anymore.
Just finished prednisone taper of 40mg in 6 weeks.  We'll see if it works.


Keeper
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   Posted 7/16/2009 8:58 PM (GMT -7)   
For C diff, S boulardi is known to be helpful. It is possibly because it is a yeast that it works since it will not be killed off by antibioitics.
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