Help Flagyl 14 month old baby.

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butterflybe
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   Posted 10/17/2008 8:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi
 
My baby was scoped a few weeks ago and they found inflammation/ulcers in her tummy and bowel. The biopsy report said that infection or crohn's cannot be ruled out. SO the GI put her on flagyl for three weeks (it has been 8 days) and that should help either one, but when she comes off it if her symptoms stay away it was probably an infection otherwise could be crohn's disease.
 
Anyway we saw a difference after three days, her mood had changed and the night time and day time screaming stopped and some of her BMs were less mucusy. Anyway as of yesterday (day 7) she started screaming again and has thrown up three times since (lots of food came up) and has developed a rash on her back and bum (pimpley one). I thought it might be a virus but other then these things she is not extra tired or different so it must no be a virus.
 
I am wondering that she might have a reaction to the flagyl, but wouldn't it of shown up before the seven day mark? Or maybe it is crohns and she is having a flare up? I can't get in touch with the GI until Tuesday so I am not sure what to do. Last night she pooed in the night and screaming like nothing else and her day nap today she screamed and pushing her tummy and bum up into the air like she is in so much pain. I can't bare to see her like this anymore.
 
Any tips ideas would be much appreciated.
 

ivy6
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   Posted 10/17/2008 8:48 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi butterfly, and welcome,

I think if you're at all concerned you should call the doctor, a helpline or the hospital. I don't think you can afford to muck around when you have a delicate baby on your hands.

One thing that might be happening is that she's having some sort of bacterial / fungal overgrowth because of the Flagyl. I'm not sure if that's the case, though, because I'm not sure why she'd be getting a rash on her bottom.

Either way, butterfly, please do phone someone... especially if you think she's in pain. You both need some help, and quickly.

Ivy.
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FitzyK23
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   Posted 10/17/2008 8:54 PM (GMT -7)   
I don't have an answer but am sorry you are going through this and wish her relief soon. If you can't reach the GI call her Pediatrician. I would say this is an emergency if she is in pain and you think she may have had a reaction.
27 Year old married female law student (last year!!). Diagnosed w/ CD 4 years ago, IBS for over 10 years before that, which was probably the CD. I am sort of lactose intollerant too but can handle anything cultured and do well w/ lactose pills and lactaid. For crohns I am currently on Pentasa 4 pills/4x day and hysociamine prn. I also have bad acid reflux and have been on PPI's since age 13. I have been through prilosec, prevacid, and nexium. Currently I am on Protonix in the morning and Zantac at night. I also take a birth control pill to allow some fun in my life.


Rider Fan
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   Posted 10/17/2008 9:12 PM (GMT -7)   
Gosh, that's terrible. We don't have much experience here with 1 year olds unfortunately, so your best bet is to go to the hospital, unfortunately.
Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

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Keeper
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   Posted 10/17/2008 10:04 PM (GMT -7)   
The rash, especially on the back, might mean she has become allergic to the Flagyl. Check with your doctor or medical help line or emergency immediately. The listed side effects include nausea and vomiting, stomach/back pain, rash/hives/redness/itching and for those side effects it suggests "Check with your doctor as soon as possible".

dustspeck
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   Posted 10/17/2008 10:11 PM (GMT -7)   
oh darlin, there is not much help i can offer but support. so sorry the poor pumpkin ids going through this :(

hugs and healing thoughts are being sent you way!!
.: stephanie :.
33 y/o female diagnosed 8/8/7 with crohn's of the terminal ileum w/ stricture/scarring
meddies: 6mp, percocet, trazodone, ativan, iron, calcium, folic acid & some other vits


butterflybe
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   Posted 10/18/2008 12:42 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi

Thank you so much for you replies/support. I rang the childrens hospital and they put me on to an advice line, the nurse said it was unlikely to be a reaction from the flagyl as she has been taking it for 8 days. She didn't seem to worried and just said to keep an eye on her. Meanwhile my son (3 yrs) started vomitting so I figure she must of had a bug/virus. She usually gets so lethargic from the bugs though so I am wondering if the flagyl made the bug less servere?

Anyway fingers crossed that is all it is, but I will take her to the GP tomorrow if she gets worse overnight. It is very confusing with a baby so young because they can't tell you what is going on, really just a guessing game I suppose.

Thanks again and I will keep you all updated.

SallyC
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   Posted 10/18/2008 8:16 AM (GMT -7)   
I am so sorry to hear of your little one going through so much right now. I am really surprised your nurse said that! It actually really bothers me. I took penicillan for 7 days when I was in high school and it was the 8th day that I had hives from my toes up to the top of my head! I felt horrible and my throat even began to close up making it hard to breath. Needless to say I was severly allergic to it. And I did not have one hive for the first 7 days.

I would watch her very closely and take her in if you are at all worried or noticing things get worse.

Sally
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Diagnosed with UC in July of 2003 then diagnosed with Crohns in August of 2006.


kim123
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   Posted 10/18/2008 8:28 AM (GMT -7)   
Is it just me, or does that medication seem a little strong for a baby? I'm wondering though, did the doctor test/find bacteria as the cause of your child's symptoms? The Flagyl website indicates that usual therapy is 7-10 days, Crohn's disease is not an approved indication for Flagyl, Flagyl is carcinogenic in rats and mice, and that unnecessary use should be avoided.

Did your doctor suggest perhaps your baby is allergic to what she is eating/drinking? Is she on formula or cow's milk? eating any grains? Has she ever been on antibiotics? I would have a hunch that she may have a fungal infection (antibiotics are fungal metabolites) and the milk and grains she is eating are feeding it. Flagyl would not be the first thing I would prescribe, 'IF" that was the case. Flagyl is an antibiotic, which causes yeast overgrowth. Could the rash/pain be an indication of that? But, I am not a doctor. I just know that fungus is often overlooked with GI symptoms and rashes. The Flagyl would not make the virus bug less severe, as you were wondering, if she had a virus.

As a parent, it is so difficult to see your precious baby suffering like that. It's just me, but I would be hesitant to give my baby a drug that is heavily cautioned, as the first line of defense, especially if bacteria wasn't proven to be causing the inflammation. Has your child been tested for celiac's disease, lactose intolerance? I would try an elimination diet, one without grains and cow's milk. If you notice an improvement, you may be onto something. You may not find your answer without experimenting, and your doctor may not make that suggestion to you. Mine never did, but I eventually learned on my own that diet was "the" factor in my symptoms. I'd also suggest probiotics for your little one, especially after taking a strong antibiotic.

The question that keeps coming back to me is, has your baby ever taken antibiotics before? I hope your baby feels better soon. It breaks my heart when babies are sick. They just can't tell us what is wrong, and we feel so helpless. Lots of well wishes going your way............ :)

kimberlayn
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   Posted 10/18/2008 9:56 AM (GMT -7)   
You might want to consider the rash being a yest infection. A lot of babies get it when they are on antibiotics. I tell my new mommies to try monistat, the external cream, as a diaper rash cream. It works really well.
diagnosed w/Crohn's 11/06. 34f with 2 boys, a lovable dog, and a wonderful husband. 150 mg Imuran, bentyl, entocort, vicodin as needed, metoprolol for orthostatic hypotension and heart palpitations. Bowel resection 9/07. Active disease back, darn it 8/08. 11 year old son with IBS-C, on Bentyl.


butterflybe
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   Posted 10/19/2008 1:52 AM (GMT -7)   
Kimberlayn, I will check the chemist for the monistat cream thanks.

Kim123, sorry its a long story... but basically she has been off cows milk and soy all her life (when I was feeding I didn't eat it and then she went straight on neocate formula which is prescribed and doesn't have any allergenics). She had a lactose problem at 3 weeks old which I gave her some stuff to conteract the lactose in the b/milk, the GI thought she still might have that so took enzymes from her tummy during the colonoscopy/endoscopy but it turned out normal. My eldest daughter had celiac disease but I knew that wasn't the problem as she had the symptoms before she started eating gluten (started eating gluten at 12 months) and the biopsies said her villi was normal. She has cronic reflux which is originally why he scoped her thinking she had damage to her oesophigus (sp?). at 10/11 months she went crazy so I increased her losec (reflux) meds like I usually did when she went crazy it stopped her spewing but didn't stop her screaming and she started doing the mucusy poos. Anyway the day of the scope he found the ulcers and said she must have allergenic collitis and gave me the speal on keeping of soy and dairy (she had dairy two weeks before the scope in preparation) and that it was possibly other food too causing it. But when he got the biopsy results it rulled out collitis of any form, it also said they couldn't diagnose why she had it but infection or crohn's could not be ruled out. So that is when he prescribed the flagyl. And no my baby has never been on antibiotics before although she has had many virus, it takes her forever to get over them too, but mostly have been just a virus not infection, and my GP is not big on antibiotics so even when she had an infection he encouraged me to let her sort it out herself.

Sally, thanks for your reply, I really don't know if that women knew what she was on about either, but I am pretty convinced now that she has a virus as she was very lethargic this morning and threw up twice today but is doing well this afternoon. But I am going ot take her to the GP to check her over. She hasn't had any more tummy pains though which is good. That must of been scarey for you, its amazing it too so long to kick in, is that normal?

Thanks
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