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downunda
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Date Joined May 2008
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   Posted 10/20/2008 1:43 AM (GMT -7)   
Does anyone know why SCD yoghurt should not be started with bifidobacterium? I have found a product containing acidophilus,thermophilus, bulgaricus but it also contains the bifido one. Do you know if it the bifido will be removed by cooking the yoghurt for 24hrs?
thanks
26F, Crohn's for 8 years, currently on 6MP and pentasa. Have previously tried remicade, iron, pred and entocort.


EMom
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Date Joined Aug 2007
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   Posted 10/20/2008 5:24 AM (GMT -7)   
What I understand is that Elaine Gottschall ("Breaking the Vicious Cycle), a biologist who studied the effects of foods and bacteria on the intestines at the cellular level, determined bifidobacterium to be unfriendly to Crohn's and UC sufferers. I can't tell you why. If you do a search on the main site, you *may* find discussions about this, though no guarantees. And no, it would not be removed during the extended cooking process.

Can you find the "Yogourmet" brand freeze dried starter down unda? It's made in Canada... Maybe you could order it in? I order mine by the case from half-way across the country to get a better price. "Fage" is another brand folks here use. Good luck!
Mom to 16 year old son diagnosed in June, 2007.
Omega 3s, digestive enzymes, probiotics, vit. C, calcium w/D3, a good multivitamin and SCD legal yogurt
Started The Maker's Diet in Sept. '07. Gradually learning/using more SCD recipes, too! (cooking challenged)


Doc2007
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Date Joined Oct 2007
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   Posted 10/20/2008 10:31 AM (GMT -7)   
I found my Yogourmet starter packs at wholefoods!

Osprey101
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Date Joined Apr 2008
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   Posted 10/20/2008 1:42 PM (GMT -7)   
There has been some work in the UK implicating Klebsiella pneumoniae in Crohn's disease. I'm only through a few of the papers, but the reasoning is sound, as is the research behind it.

The reason for inflammation is pullulanase, an enzyme produced by Kp; while researching this, I found a paper stating that bifidobacteria produce compounds that break down pullulan. I've not read into it yet (it's a big stack of paperwork), but it sort of clicked for me then- THAT is why bifidus might cause problems in Crohnies.

I'm personally convinced. I was on a stable plateu and then tried some VSL#3. It was good for about a week- and then WHAMMO. I re-read the ingredients- they re-labeled L. bifidus as Bifidobacterium. More switcharoos when it comes to naming bacteria.

jacenta
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Date Joined Nov 2006
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   Posted 10/21/2008 4:13 PM (GMT -7)   
EMom said...
What I understand is that Elaine Gottschall ("Breaking the Vicious Cycle), a biologist who studied the effects of foods and bacteria on the intestines at the cellular level, determined bifidobacterium to be unfriendly to Crohn's and UC sufferers. I can't tell you why. If you do a search on the main site, you *may* find discussions about this, though no guarantees. And no, it would not be removed during the extended cooking process.

Can you find the "Yogourmet" brand freeze dried starter down unda? It's made in Canada... Maybe you could order it in? I order mine by the case from half-way across the country to get a better price. "Fage" is another brand folks here use. Good luck!

im from down under too! ill be interested in finding the yogourmet here as well! anyone? wink
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