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broomhilda
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   Posted 10/22/2008 7:29 PM (GMT -7)   
I stand corrected on my support of using Stevia as a sweetner.  I have recently read an article that states it can interfere with the absorbtion of carbs thereby reducing our valuable energy!
Mine entire bottle just went into the trash!
 
Also you guys might want to check the food additive Carrageenan. It is used mostly as a thickening agent in MILK, jellies, ice cream, cream cheese and pharmaceutical fill in capsules as well as a host of "beauty" products.  It also is sold in health food stores as a supplement called Agar.  A recent article (which I can not name the website here) cited that carrageenan induces inflammation in human intestinal epithelial cells.  Furthermore, the consumption of carrageenan may have a role in intestinal inflammation and possibly IBD since Bci10 resembles NOD2, mutations of which are associated with genetic proclivity to Crohns Disease!
 
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pb4
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   Posted 10/22/2008 7:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Based on one article you threw it away? I still use mine and plan to continue, infact I've been using it for yrs now and have not had my energy reduced what so ever...don't always believe everything you read, and look at the source as well.

I knew about carrageenan long ago, I don't use products that contain it...but clearly the damage has been done, just like consuming msg's, fast-foods, processed foods/beverages, refined sugar, ect.

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broomhilda
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   Posted 10/22/2008 7:59 PM (GMT -7)   
PB4- It was a credible source. Understand that between the Fibro & Crohns the fatigue is a daily horror for me. Even with eating organic as much as possible and exercising, my energy reserve is only 4 hours at a time,tops. Yeah, I know it was a drastic measure to trash it but I will admit I have some growing in the yard which I can process myself and know at least I'm getting the purest form possible! I believe I'm in a lovely cycle that's inhibiting some of my absorbtion of the food I do eat too which is also contributing to my hypoglycemia (low blood sugar). Sigh...sometimes I'm just screwed no matter what I do. I've lost a few pounds this week and everytime I leave the bathroom I'm starving again (like predinose starving) but I haven't been on it since February 08. I'm maintaining my small meals every 3-4 hours but without very much fiber it just doesn't stick to the ribs for very long. I'm a big follower of your posts because you DO actually find alternatives to all the crap they put in our food & products....keep up the good work!
Dx'd Jan'06, 1st Resection 7/06, Humira, Imuran, B12 injections, Nexium, Lexapro, Nulev, Glucosamine, Multi-Vitamin, Calcium Citrate, Ultracet. Secondary conditions: Psorasis, Osteoarthritis, Fibromyalgia, Lactose Intolerant, gallstones, kidney stones & peri-menopausal.


EMom
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   Posted 10/22/2008 8:26 PM (GMT -7)   
We've been using stevia for several years, though I know Elaine Gottschall has it on the dreaded illegal list for some reason. My son ingests very little of it, though, so I'm not too concerned. It's me that can't live without it in my morning coffee... with a tiny bit of carrageenan-free, ultra high temp (UHT) pasteurized cream...wink

I've steered clear of carrageenan for several years now, too. It's nearly as prevalent as high fructose corn syrup! Which is spooky, too!shocked skull shocked
Mom to 16 year old son diagnosed in June, 2007.
Omega 3s, digestive enzymes, probiotics, vit. C, calcium w/D3, a good multivitamin and SCD legal yogurt
Started The Maker's Diet in Sept. '07. Gradually learning/using more Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) recipes, too! (cooking challenged)


Sniper
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   Posted 10/22/2008 8:28 PM (GMT -7)   
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LMills
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   Posted 10/22/2008 8:28 PM (GMT -7)   
And I just bought powdered chocolate milk mix to avoid high fructose corn syrup...it has carrageenan in it though apparently. It's so difficult to shop for food and be able to afford it. I swear if only insurance allowed certain food to be covered...
20 years old, Diagnosed with moderate to severe Crohn's and Colitis in May of 2008.
Currently taking:
Prednisone(down to 10 mg), pentasa, bentyl as needed, prilosec, tandem plus, humira, and good probiotics
Surgery for ectopic pregnancy most likely the result of severe Crohn's inflammation in July of 2008.
http://weblog.xanga.com/harlequin_garret


FitzyK23
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   Posted 10/22/2008 8:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Interesting, I made a smoothie tonight and got very very sick after and 3 of the ingrediants had carageenan in it. Probably a coincidence but interesting none the less.
27 Year old married female law student (last year!!). Diagnosed w/ CD 4 years ago, IBS for over 10 years before that, which was probably the CD. I am sort of lactose intollerant too but can handle anything cultured and do well w/ lactose pills and lactaid. For crohns I am currently on Pentasa 4 pills/4x day and hysociamine prn. I also have bad acid reflux and have been on PPI's since age 13. I have been through prilosec, prevacid, and nexium. Currently I am on Protonix in the morning and Zantac at night. I also take a birth control pill to allow some fun in my life.


pb4
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   Posted 10/22/2008 8:58 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey Broom, that's cool that you can grow your own!!!! Why bother with the store bought stuff then, wish I had that luxury. My brother has been using Stevia for quite a few years because of his diabetes and loves it too.

That's why my GI was thrilled about me taking bee propolis, he said that even if it wasn't helping me with symptoms it was still an excellent source of dietary supplementation since we cannot get all the nutrients we need via foods alone.

Ya, that carageenan is nasty junk, yet FDA allows it, but I won't get started on that again LOL!

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My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)


pb4
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   Posted 10/22/2008 9:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey Broom,

You're not on any probiotics? I noticed you mention you're lactose intolerant as well...I had severe lactose intolerance and was using lactaid products until I found the primadophilus reuteri made by natures way which has guaranteed intestinal release and aids with lactose intolerance (which I swear by from my experiance) as well as high cholesterol and for women, vaginal health.

Just thought I'd mention it to ya.

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Margie11
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   Posted 10/22/2008 9:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Broom,
I may have asked before, but have you tried Magnesium Malate for your FM pain and fatigue? It works well for me thank God, I can't use pain meds often.
Crohn's for life, symptoms included terrible joint and soft tissue pain, just met first cousin who suffers from Reactive Arthritis-explains sooo much. Great control on SCD (when I'm good) and I get by with a lotta help from my friends!
 
                                              Margie11


Rider Fan
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   Posted 10/23/2008 8:13 AM (GMT -7)   
Darn, I just found a dairy free, gluten free, sugar free frozen treat that was delicious....and it has carageenan....
Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

Current meds: 25mg Methotrexate. Udo's Choice Probiotics (30 billion).


Betaine, digestive enzymes, Candicin (oil of oregano capsules), Beta Sitosterol.

Tried SCD, didn't work, now avoiding gluten and dairy.


broomhilda
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   Posted 10/23/2008 7:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Sorry Rider...didn't mean to ruin it for 'ya! The Rice Dream products are free of carrageen but I'm not sure about the sugar and gluten. Being a rice product I wouldn't think that gluten would be a problem but we all know how that goes. There is also a rice based ice cream I found at my local health food store. I'll have to re-check the label on that one too myself. It was mint & carob chips. Yummy!

PB4- Yeah, I take probiotics and eat plenty of homemade yogurt too! The Lactaid products are completely useless in my case. I have to admit I haven't really paid any attention to my yard lately...it has a bunch of yellow, gold & orange things laying it that I think I'm suppose to sweep up dang it! I should go out and clip some of the Stevia to dry though. I like it in my coffee too!

Margie- The Rheumy and I did discuss Magnesium but my levels are fine and I lean towards forming all kinds of stones lately. He does have me taking glucosamine. I buy the new Elations drink that has the daily dosage of glucosamine in it. It only comes in 2 flavors and the Raspberry is just nasty!
Dx'd Jan'06, 1st Resection 7/06, Humira, Imuran, B12 injections, Nexium, Lexapro, Nulev, Glucosamine, Multi-Vitamin, Calcium Citrate, Ultracet. Secondary conditions: Psorasis, Osteoarthritis, Fibromyalgia, Lactose Intolerant, gallstones, kidney stones & peri-menopausal.


Rider Fan
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   Posted 10/23/2008 8:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Actually that's what I bought, Rice Dream. It says it has carageenan....

Anyway, please let me know what brand that 'ice cream' you found is. Thanks!
Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

Current meds: 25mg Methotrexate. Udo's Choice Probiotics (30 billion).


Betaine, digestive enzymes, Candicin (oil of oregano capsules), Beta Sitosterol.

Tried SCD, didn't work, now avoiding gluten and dairy.


FitzyK23
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   Posted 10/24/2008 6:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Rider - if it doesn't bother you, keep eating it. Remember how individual this disease is. You can't avoid everything or there would be nothing left to eat.

I have heard don't eat veggies, don't eat carbs, don't eat meat, etc. You can't do all the diets at once.
27 Year old married female law student (last year!!). Diagnosed w/ CD 4 years ago, IBS for over 10 years before that, which was probably the CD. I am sort of lactose intollerant too but can handle anything cultured and do well w/ lactose pills and lactaid. For crohns I am currently on Pentasa 4 pills/4x day and hysociamine prn. I also have bad acid reflux and have been on PPI's since age 13. I have been through prilosec, prevacid, and nexium. Currently I am on Protonix in the morning and Zantac at night. I also take a birth control pill to allow some fun in my life.


ivy6
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   Posted 10/24/2008 7:37 PM (GMT -7)   
LMills, if it helps, you can make your own chocolate milk with pure cocoa. There are a few ways you can do this:
* put milk and cocoa in blender; blend; drink
* put cocoa in bottom of glass; add a little bit of boiling water; stir to dissolve, add milk
* put cocoa in mug; add milk; microwave, stirring occasionally.

Add as much, or as little, sugar as you desire.
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LMills
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   Posted 10/24/2008 8:07 PM (GMT -7)   
Ivy...I love you!! You're a life saver. I have a hard time not having some source of chocolate and chocolate milk seems the best way to go. Otherwise I am always tempted to by the chocolate caramel tiramisu from macaroni grill...

i wonder if honey would alter the taste too much if i substituted it for sugar? i'll have to try either way. sugar itself doesn't seem to bother me too much, but i don't like the idea of having the materials in my gut to feed the 'bad' bacteria. i know that the outer part of their bodies depend on certain components from it.
20 years old, Diagnosed with moderate to severe Crohn's and Colitis in May of 2008.
Currently taking:
Prednisone(down to 10 mg), pentasa, bentyl as needed, prilosec, tandem plus, humira, and good probiotics
Surgery for ectopic pregnancy most likely the result of severe Crohn's inflammation in July of 2008.
http://weblog.xanga.com/harlequin_garret


Keeper
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   Posted 10/24/2008 10:32 PM (GMT -7)   
I would do the honey and adjust my expectation of the right taste to match what I get. about ice cream - I have not seen any that don't have some gum - carageenan, guar gum, agar, carob bean gum, locust bean gum and so on. All are bacteria food and if one causes problems, they all will. I have the idea that some of the gelato flavours might be ok - but I don't know if this is so. Sherbet should work except for the sugar (small amounts once a week or so have not killed me yet) but sherbet is not ice cream!

I don't like stevia, but I don't think it is as bad as all the other artificial sweeteners. I will keep using honey, but I don't think there is verified studies that can prove harm from stevia. The artificial sweetener manufacturers will be sure to try to prevent it from being approved as a food additive, but given the stuff that they have managed to get approval for, I don't think stevia is any worse.

pb4
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   Posted 10/24/2008 11:49 PM (GMT -7)   
Well, there's absolutely no benefits to refined sugar and at least stevia has benefits....

http://www.naturalnews.com/023728.html

http://www.puresource.ca/vervenaturals/assets/Stevia.pdf

:)
My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)

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