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Roni
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   Posted 10/24/2008 11:41 AM (GMT -7)   
I scheduled a c-section for middle of Dec but I don't really want to have a c-section.
I had a previous c-section and the doc says I can try vaginal birth if I want but there are complications either way.
 
If I have vag. birth, there is a 0.5% chance of uterine rupture and of course any other normal complication. If I have c-section it will build up further scar tissue which we crohnies know all to well what kind of probs that can cause. Most women who have c-section are able to have vag. birth afterward. My doc says I have a 70% chance of successful vag. birth. But first, baby will HAVE to turn on her own (she's breech right now).
 
I HATE the recovery of all abdominal surgery. Vag. birth would be better for me -- if it were successful and no stress to baby, and doc cannot guarantee that.
 
What would you ladies do if you were me? Would you try vag. birth or just have a c-section?
 
Also, please please please pray for me so I will have an easy delivery either way and fast fast recovery! Thank you!!!

meshice
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   Posted 10/24/2008 12:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Roni - I don't know if this will be help to you............

I have heard of women who have had a c-section for their first bay and the docs say all other deliveries should be c-section. I have also heard of women having a successful vaginal birth after a c-section. I know the recovery (firsthand) of a c-section.

It is a though call, but all could depend on what the baby does and what is safest for you and the baby.

Know this - I will say a prayer for you and that the decison of what you should do will be clear to you. Take care!
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conorconan1
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   Posted 10/24/2008 12:17 PM (GMT -7)   
Prayers and healing thoughts out to you.

lil-momma
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   Posted 10/24/2008 3:22 PM (GMT -7)   
I have never had a c-section so unfortunately I can't offer advice but will certainly be praying for you! I'm sorry you are in this position. I pray all goes well for you and baby! Much love & laughter to you!
Dx w/UC in 2001 - controlled by diet.
Mother to 15 yr old daughter dx w/CD 9/07-  she had surgery for abcesses 11/07.  She is taking multi-vit, iron for anemia, bentyl prn, prilosec 20mg-x2, pentasa  500mg-x5, prednisone 10mg-x6, 6 mp 50mg-x3, Flagyl 250mg-x3


Stef17
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   Posted 10/24/2008 3:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Roni- I had a c-sec with baby#1 and went for the VBAC with baby #2. I had a super supportive OB who gave me every opportunity to have that baby the good old fashioned way. I ended up with a 2nd c-sec because I wouldn't dilate (same problem as the first time). BUT... I am SOOOOO glad that I went through the labor and tried because I know in my heart of hearts that I did everything I could. My problem has nothing to do with the crohn's. Just seems like my cervix doesn't want to dilate. I'm having baby #3 on Dec 20th - c-sec- and I'm crazy enough to want a 4th child! So far, the scar tissue is very minimal (couldn't tell you about the inside, but the outside looks GREAT) and it has NOT affected my Crohn's negatively in any way whatsoever.

Do you really want to go for a VBAC???? Then DO IT! I think it's a great idea. HOWEVER, if you really want a c-sec, but you're worried about future negative effects on the crohn's - don't give it a second thought. Yes, it terribly difficult to recover from major abdominal surgery, but the chances of it screwing with your crohn's is minimal.

I will totally pray for you that you are able to make a decision you feel at peace with. Congrats on your upcoming birth! Please keep us posted!!! ((((HUGS))))

Stef

FitzyK23
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   Posted 10/24/2008 6:27 PM (GMT -7)   
A friend of mine (without other ailments besides gestational diabetes and kidney stones) had a c-section because her baby was breach. At first she was upset it wasnt happening the "normal" way. But, she recovered soooooo fast. 10 days after her surgery she was hiking!!! She is a very tiny gal so I don't know if that made healing easier. She is less than 100 pounds when not pregnant. She also lost her baby weight immediatly. Do you really want to go through all the pains of labor to just end up having a c-section anyway? Is their any risk to the baby with a c-section? I would think the risk giving birth vaginally would be greater.

The other thing is I would be more worried about crohns complications with a vaginal birth than a c-section. All that pushing and tearing could lead to fissures and fistulas. What if you need an epistiotomy or whatever they are called? That probably wouldn't be great crohns wise. This way you won't have the baby stretching out your nether regions!
27 Year old married female law student (last year!!). Diagnosed w/ CD 4 years ago, IBS for over 10 years before that, which was probably the CD. I am sort of lactose intollerant too but can handle anything cultured and do well w/ lactose pills and lactaid. For crohns I am currently on Pentasa 4 pills/4x day and hysociamine prn. I also have bad acid reflux and have been on PPI's since age 13. I have been through prilosec, prevacid, and nexium. Currently I am on Protonix in the morning and Zantac at night. I also take a birth control pill to allow some fun in my life.


Roni
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   Posted 10/24/2008 8:35 PM (GMT -7)   
I took the full 6 weeks to recover the last c-section I had, and did absolutely no exercise except walking as I could tolerate. After about 2 weeks, it became more bearable though, but I sure wasn't up for hiking. My hospital stay was 5 days.

Fitzy, How in the world could your friend do hiking in 10 days when the stiches/staples aren't even out yet?

Stef17, what was your recovery like for you c-sections? How was it while at home with cooking, watching the kids, etc? And how long did you stay in hospital?

FitzyK23
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   Posted 10/24/2008 8:53 PM (GMT -7)   
I have no idea. She is crazy and married to insane jumping out of planes army man. I swear that girl doesn't know that pain exists lol. The original plan was to go on a little nature walk and once she got there realized it was much harder than she thought but figured since they drove there they might as well do it anyway. She ended up being very weak on the way back and I think needed help down. She realized how dumb it was after.
27 Year old married female law student (last year!!). Diagnosed w/ CD 4 years ago, IBS for over 10 years before that, which was probably the CD. I am sort of lactose intollerant too but can handle anything cultured and do well w/ lactose pills and lactaid. For crohns I am currently on Pentasa 4 pills/4x day and hysociamine prn. I also have bad acid reflux and have been on PPI's since age 13. I have been through prilosec, prevacid, and nexium. Currently I am on Protonix in the morning and Zantac at night. I also take a birth control pill to allow some fun in my life.


FitzyK23
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   Posted 10/24/2008 8:54 PM (GMT -7)   
OH and might I add she hiked the first part wearing her newborn in one of those front slings.
27 Year old married female law student (last year!!). Diagnosed w/ CD 4 years ago, IBS for over 10 years before that, which was probably the CD. I am sort of lactose intollerant too but can handle anything cultured and do well w/ lactose pills and lactaid. For crohns I am currently on Pentasa 4 pills/4x day and hysociamine prn. I also have bad acid reflux and have been on PPI's since age 13. I have been through prilosec, prevacid, and nexium. Currently I am on Protonix in the morning and Zantac at night. I also take a birth control pill to allow some fun in my life.


kimberlayn
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   Posted 10/24/2008 9:06 PM (GMT -7)   
I had an emergency Cesearean with my first one, then a VBAC for my second one 4 years later. My biggest problem was every contraction and every move the baby made BURNED. My nurse told me it was the uterine scar tissue being aggravated. I finally had an epidural from that burning, not the contraction pain. They had to use a suction cup to pull the boy out because I no longer had the energy to push, 36 hours of no sleep! The doctor kept telling the nurse, she's too tired, she's too tired, but I was too tired to agree with him! All went well and he was healthy and perfect. I was only 18 with my first and the recovery from the Csection took about 3 weeks (ahh, to be young again!). The recovery from the VBAC was about 3 days! I was shopping at Target 3 days after birth, we took a 10 day old to a drive in movie, and if I was going to have a 3rd (not going to happen!) I would plan and pray for another vaginal birth. Much less pain and recovery! Congratulations and I hope for a healthy baby for you!
diagnosed w/Crohn's 11/06. 34f with 2 boys, a lovable dog, and a wonderful husband. 150 mg Imuran, bentyl, entocort, vicodin as needed, metoprolol for orthostatic hypotension and heart palpitations. Bowel resection 9/07. Active disease back, darn it 8/08. 11 year old son with IBS-C, on Bentyl.


straydog
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   Posted 10/24/2008 9:36 PM (GMT -7)   
My daughter was born breach thanks to the ignorance of the dr. I should have had a c-section come to find out much, much later. I am not going to give you the gory details of a breach baby, lets just put it this way; if your baby does not turn-by all means listen to your doctor and have a c-section. You may not like the recovery time fron a c-section but try to look at it this way, at least you are able to have a healthy baby no matter what. One thing I will tell you, is to use a pillow pressed against your stomach when getting up & down. It really helps having this light pressure against your stomach. Walk as much as you can afterwards its the best strength builder there is. Good luck, Susie


EMom
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   Posted 10/25/2008 5:59 AM (GMT -7)   
Roni, I will pray pray pray! 

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MMMNAVY
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   Posted 10/25/2008 6:27 AM (GMT -7)   
((((((((((((((((Roni)))))))))))))))))))
Prayer always! I haven't ever given birth so I can't tell you without it being second hand info.

Fitzy,
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FitzyK23
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   Posted 10/25/2008 8:45 AM (GMT -7)   
Awesome Navy! Sometimes I think adrenaline junkies are a breed of their own.
27 Year old married female law student (last year!!). Diagnosed w/ CD 4 years ago, IBS for over 10 years before that, which was probably the CD. I am sort of lactose intollerant too but can handle anything cultured and do well w/ lactose pills and lactaid. For crohns I am currently on Pentasa 4 pills/4x day and hysociamine prn. I also have bad acid reflux and have been on PPI's since age 13. I have been through prilosec, prevacid, and nexium. Currently I am on Protonix in the morning and Zantac at night. I also take a birth control pill to allow some fun in my life.


Stef17
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   Posted 10/25/2008 9:08 AM (GMT -7)   
Roni - with the first c-sec I stayed in the hospital about 48 hours. I begged my OB to let me go home because I was having a HORRIBLE experience there (long story) and so she let me go home. The recovery was about 6 weeks but I was mentally traumatized (part of my long story) so I think it took me a while to bounce back physically as well.

The 2nd c-sec was a wonderful experience. I was in the hospital about 36 hours. I just wanted to go home. I was ready. I never do well in the hospital anyway. I prefer my own bed and my husband is EXTREMELY helpful.  I was totally disappointed that I didn't get to VBAC, BUT I was also realistic that things might end up going the c-sec route. I remember driving my baby to the ped for his first visit at about 7 days old. It was hard to get up into the minivan, but I did it. I should NOT have driven, but I am stubborn. And it was 10 days post-surgery by the time all of my help left (mom or mil) and it was just me and the 2 kids. I did ok. I just told myself that it didn't even matter if we got dressed or not. As long as we were fed, that's all that counted. It went a lot better than I anticipated. So... I would say by 2-3 weeks post birth I was doing fairly well and by 4-6 weeks post birth I was doing really well. I think the first 10 days are the hardest, but I bounced back MUCH quicker this time.

I have a friend who had 3 c-secs and she told me that every subsequent recovery was much quicker. I don't know if that's because she knew what to expect or what, but I'm hoping that my 3rd c-sec goes the same way.

There is no way in hee-haw I would be hiking 10 days after. That IS insanity. :) BUT, I think you should be just fine to handle the kids and even cook if you have to. Can you plan some good freezer meals (lasagna, etc) OR do soup & sandwiches or breakfast for dinner? If you have them ready so you have meals prepared for the first 10 days or so it makes life easier. OR get your hubby to cook. :) Who will be helping you???

Post Edited (Stef17) : 10/25/2008 10:23:22 AM (GMT-6)


Nanners
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   Posted 10/25/2008 9:46 AM (GMT -7)   

I had my first child vaginally, the 2nd C-Sect, and the 3rd VBAC.  My oldest daughter had 3 c-sects.  Her first two were becuz of breech babies.  They tried to turn the first one before she was to give birth, but it was extremely painful so they were unable to proceed.  Roni, honestly in this case I think you should go ahead with the C-sect for your own and the baby's safety.  The baby is breech, if you try to have the baby it could be dangerous for you.  I will tell you when I had my c-sect I thought I would never have another baby because I had such a hard time afterwards.  But I have watched my daughter have 3 c sects and each time see how much easier it was after each one for her.  The first she hardly moved for weeks, and with numbers 2 & 3 she was up and moving around normally within a days.  I think everything will be okay.

I will definetly pray for a safe and happy delivery for you.  Good luck!

Hugs,

Gail *Nanners*


Been living with Crohn's Disease for 32 years.  Currently on Asacol, Prilosec 60 mg, Estrace, Prinivil, Diltiazem, Percoset prn for pain and Calcium.  Resections in 2002 and 2005.  Recently diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and doing tests to see if I have Inflammatory Arthritis or AS.


Stef17
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   Posted 10/25/2008 10:37 AM (GMT -7)   
Yeah - I wanted to 2nd what Gail said - if the baby is breech and just won't turn, then let it be and have the c-sec. You still have about 8 weeks to go. Baby might turn between now and then and if so, then you are not obligated to have the c-sec. Those things can be scheduled and un-scheduled without any trouble at all. Don't let the c-sec be the deciding factor. Let baby be the deciding factor.

Zanne
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   Posted 10/25/2008 11:48 AM (GMT -7)   
I had both my daughters by C-section. The first one after about 30 hours of labor. So I had the recovery from hours of labor and the recovery from the C-section, just not the actual delivery. I was wiped out. Of course it didn't help that I had toxemia, or whatever they call it these days. But, I did recover quicker from the second than the first. I always felt it was just because of the long labor beforehand. But now hearing that others had the same experience, who knows.

I will be keeping you in my thoughts and wishing you a quick delivery, either way, and a healthy, happy baby.
Suzanne

CD 19 years offically, 29 unofficially. 3 resections '93, '95 '97
Symptoms constantly but all tests show only minor ulcerations. Currently having multiple episodes of gastritis with no known cause.


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FitzyK23
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   Posted 10/25/2008 1:49 PM (GMT -7)   
Ok now I am confused what is VBAC? I thought that was some abbreviation for a vaginal birth.
27 Year old married female law student (last year!!). Diagnosed w/ CD 4 years ago, IBS for over 10 years before that, which was probably the CD. I am sort of lactose intollerant too but can handle anything cultured and do well w/ lactose pills and lactaid. For crohns I am currently on Pentasa 4 pills/4x day and hysociamine prn. I also have bad acid reflux and have been on PPI's since age 13. I have been through prilosec, prevacid, and nexium. Currently I am on Protonix in the morning and Zantac at night. I also take a birth control pill to allow some fun in my life.


Stef17
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   Posted 10/25/2008 6:40 PM (GMT -7)   
Vaginal Birth After Cesarean - VBAC

LMills
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   Posted 10/25/2008 6:47 PM (GMT -7)   
Both my mother and aunt have undergone vaginal and c-section births(9 children between the both of them!!), and I do believe that in each case the opted for vaginal birth first. I think the c-section was only chosen after the former was deemed too dangerous for mother and child. That being said, wouldn't it be okay to opt for what you want first and if it doesn't work then go ahead with the c-section? I know plenty of doctors are okay with that. I can definitely understand not wanting to have the abdominal incision and go through that kind of recovery. Mine didn't but I heard that in a lot of cases the incision burns so obviously not very many people would be choosing it anyway. My only concern about not choosing a c-section would be the tearing...of course you can always get an epidural.
20 years old, Diagnosed with moderate to severe Crohn's and Colitis in May of 2008.
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Surgery for ectopic pregnancy most likely the result of severe Crohn's inflammation in July of 2008.
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Sniper
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   Posted 10/25/2008 9:27 PM (GMT -7)   
I just crawled out from under a rock when I was 7 . All I remember was the rock was heavy. Roni, hopes and prayers that all goes well for you no matter what you choose....
If we would read the secret history of our enemies,we would find in each mans life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility.


Roni
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   Posted 10/26/2008 9:06 AM (GMT -7)   
lol sniper.

If my baby doesn't turn, I'll have to have a c-sec the doc said. They don't deliver a breech baby VBAC anyway. But I'm hoping the baby will turn and I can at least try VBAC.

I'm not scared of labour or tearing outside the "v", I'm only scared of uterine rupture or stress on the baby. But babies are born vaginal everyday, so I figure my only extra risk is the uterine rupture, which is a very small risk. 0.5% chance.

Has anyone heard of a baby not having enough room to turn? Because I'm a small lady and sometimes when she turns on the side, it is quite painful and my tummy is totally lopsided and I can hardly move ;-).

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   Posted 10/26/2008 11:19 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Roni I think your little one will do fine and so will you. It gets a little nerve racking as we advance in our preg, but I am sure things will go good for you both.Babies have a way of turning in the right place when the time is right. lol gail
Hallarious woman over 50 ,CD ,IBS 27 years--resection,fistula's,obstructions,and still alive.lol gail


chroniemomx2
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   Posted 10/26/2008 5:38 PM (GMT -7)   
My first was an emergency c section. My second I chose to have another c section. My decision was made pretty easy for me, when I was handed 2 papers from my dr. One was a c section and the other a vbac. On each was the complications that could arise. With a vbac there is more risk to the baby than to you, with a c section there is more risk to you than to the baby. So, I couldn't in good conscience sign the one that says that there is more risk to my baby. If anything would of ever happened, I wouldn't have been able to live with myself. Also, they can't induce you if you have all ready had a c section, so since I was 10 days over and had to be induced with my first, I was pretty sure that the same thing might happen.

Anyway, only you can make this decision. Don't feel pressured to one or the other by ANYBODY! You need to be at total peace...it doesn't matterwhat anybody else feels. Good luck!
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