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mkl11
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   Posted 10/31/2008 2:01 PM (GMT -7)   
With all this talk of probiotics I think it's time for me to try it.

Which brands do you recommend? What should I look for when buying probiotics?

PS. Just took my first Humira does today. Feel like I've been hit by a bus, but I'm still glad I've finally started it!
19, College Student, diagnosed June 2007. Asacol made me worse, Prednisone made me crazy, Remicade for 1 year, Now controlling disease with diet (wheat-free, low dairy, low sugar) and considering Humira. Had to scrap semester abroad plans due to disease, but doing well day to day.


Keeper
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   Posted 10/31/2008 2:08 PM (GMT -7)   
The Lactobacillus reuteri formula from Nature's Way (they call it primadophilus reuteri) is probably the simplest one to find. Look for a high number of CFU's (colony forming units) - 10 billion or better is ideal. After you've been on that for a while, you could add a multi-strain probiotic or just start making your own yogurt. Store bought yogurt is not fermented long enough to eliminate the lactose and can cause problems.

kyle Nelson
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   Posted 10/31/2008 2:22 PM (GMT -7)   
i use the probiotics from hallelujah acres. hacres.com

spookyh
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   Posted 10/31/2008 2:22 PM (GMT -7)   
If I eat homemade yogurt everyday, do you think a probiotic is still needed?

I'm currently taking Renew Life Ultimate Flora (Adult Formula 15 Billion). However, I'm going to start the SC diet soon, so these will be illegal. The have a lot of bifido strains and some FOS.

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Zanne
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   Posted 10/31/2008 2:27 PM (GMT -7)   
I tried the primadophilus reuteri several times with no success. I also tried a few other brands. My doctor recommended Align which had to be ordered online or through my pharmacist. I wasn't very hopeful given my past history with probiotics. But it seems to be working, for the most part. I still have some bad days, gas wise. My point is that, like all things with this DD, it is very individual and you may have to try several until you find one that works for you. Start with what you can find locally and then proceed accordingly.
Suzanne

CD 19 years offically, 29 unofficially. 3 resections '93, '95 '97
Symptoms constantly but all tests show only minor ulcerations. Currently having multiple episodes of gastritis with no known cause.


Prednisone, 6MP,Prevacid, B12 shots, Bentyl, Xifaxan.....


pb4
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   Posted 10/31/2008 2:38 PM (GMT -7)   
I have success with Primadophilus Reuteri made by natures way, I use the cap form (it comes in powder too, and pearls but the pearls only have 1 billion live cultures) the caps and powder both have 5 billion I believe, I only take one/day which is all that's required but you could take 2...it's good because it has guaranteed intestinal release and it aids with lactose intolerance, high cholesterol and for women, vaginal health (but still fine for men to take), it's affordable but the only downside is it must be kept cold...

It's a good one to start with and if you don't notice any improvements after one bottle then try another, it's essential we take probiotics because we tend to have bacterial over-growth.

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EMom
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   Posted 10/31/2008 6:01 PM (GMT -7)   
spookyhurst said...
If I eat homemade yogurt everyday, do you think a probiotic is still needed?


Based on what I read on her site, I think Elaine Gottschall would answer no to that. We use both, though! smilewinkgrin I look for a multi-strain that doesn't have FOS. He eats lots of bananas which have FOS naturally. I wasn't aware that bifidus was not recommended way back when I started my son on probiotics, so he was getting bifidus and still does. Thankfully, it has never caused him any problems. Ironically, the Align brand that Zanne mentioned is a strain of Bifidobacterium, which I assume is bifidus. It makes me wonder if they don't know a whole lot more about these strains today than they did when Gottschall was doing all her research.

I might be a probiotic junkie. I've bought several brands now, but my son uses Theralac most often. It has 8 strains and 25(?) billion good guys. I recently bought Udo's on someone's recommendation here, and I've also purchased Dr. Michael Murray's and VSL#3. I'm with Zanne, though. If one doesn't give you results, move on to another one!
Mom to 16 year old son diagnosed in June, 2007.
Omega 3s, digestive enzymes, probiotics, vit. C, calcium w/D3, a good multivitamin and SCD legal yogurt
Started The Maker's Diet in Sept. '07. Gradually learning/using more Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) recipes, too! (cooking challenged)


paintedsongs
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   Posted 10/31/2008 6:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Where do you get probiotics from? online? pharmacy? if from pharmacy do you need a scrpit?
29 Year old Female. Dx with Crohns 2005. Currently take Imuran 50 mg. Had 3 remicade infusions which put me in remission.
Dx with Pyoderma Gangrenosum Nov '07. Used Prednisone and 3 more infusions to close up the PG.


emrose
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   Posted 10/31/2008 6:49 PM (GMT -7)   
wait - bifidus is bad? That is what our GI doc recommended because the crohns affects his large intestines. Mk, I think there are different probiotics that treat different parts of your intestines so it seems to me what kind you buy would partly depend on where you are affected. But, I'm still caught off gaurd hearing that bifidus is bad. We just bought a probiotic with bifidus from natures way.

pb4
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   Posted 10/31/2008 7:14 PM (GMT -7)   
spookyhurst said...
If I eat homemade yogurt everyday, do you think a probiotic is still needed?

I'm currently taking Renew Life Ultimate Flora (Adult Formula 15 Billion). However, I'm going to start the SC diet soon, so these will be illegal. The have a lot of bifido strains and some FOS.



I eat yogurt everyday as well as take my probiotic, when I was only eating yogurt and not taking probiotic supplements it wasn't near as effective, yogurt will not contain the amount that supplements do is why.

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pb4
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   Posted 10/31/2008 7:17 PM (GMT -7)   
The creator of the SCD doesn't believe in bifidus but...

Bifidus Actiregularis / Bifidus Regularis / Bifidus Digestivum / Bifidobacterium Lactis and variants

Bifidus Actiregularis, Bifidus Regularis, Bifidus Digestivum, Bifidobacterium Lactis and its variants are marketing names generated by Danone (known in the United States of America as Dannon) for one of the specific bacteria it uses in its "Activia" range of yoghurt products.

According to a reply received from Dannon by the Writerious blog, Bifidus Regularis (and therefore presumably all the variations of Bifidus...) is a proprietary strain of Bifidobacterium.

The source of "Bifidus" is from the intestinal bacterium Bifidobacterium animalis, a kind of bacteria found in the large intestines of most mammals, including humans.

"Actiregularis" is an invented word, the first half of which which emphasises the active nature of the bacteria. In common with with Bifidus Regularis, the "regularis" part emphasises being "regular" and the "is" at the end suggests a scientific derivation. The bacteria is known as Bifidus Actiregularis in UK marketing materials and Bifidus Regularis in marketing materials from the USA.

Bifidus Actiregularis used to be called Bifidus Digestivum in UK marketing materials. "Digestivum" is an invented word which uses "digestive" as a root to suggest beneficial effects on digestion, combined with the latinate ending "um" to suggest a scientific derivation.

It is known as Bifidobacterium Lactis in Canadian marketing materials, where Lactis uses the Latin root for milk ("lac" / "lact-") and "is" to suggest a scientific derivation.

It is known as "Digestivum Essensis" in German and Austrian marketing materials. These are both invented words, the first emphasising digestion and the second emphasising the "essential" nature of the nutrition, using latinate endings to suggest a scientific derivation.

The name of the bacteria changes from country to country and over time, to reflect differences in marketing strategy and consumer behaviour. One suggestion for the change in the UK from Bifidus Digestivum from Bifidus Actiregularis is that Bifidus Digestivum was so ridiculed it become a liability - do a Google search for Bifidus Digestivum to see the results.

The scientifically correct name for the bacteria is "Bifidobacterium animalis DN 173 010" .

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Keeper
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   Posted 10/31/2008 10:40 PM (GMT -7)   
A lot depends on what you hope to accomplish by taking the probiotics. They have different actions on the gut immune system and they colonize different parts of the gut and compete with different strains of gut bacteria. Some are notably anti-inflammatory (L. reuteri, L. casei GG) while others are effective at displacing undesirable gut bacteria like Bacteroides fragilis (Bifidobacter brevis). I am not sufficiently aware of all the details of pluses and minuses to make absolute recommendations and I suspect that most of the people in the health food business are no better informed. Really, you have to do some self-education and then try some. Your reaction to the supplement is more important than any research results. If you happen to know a microbiologist who specializes in intestinal bacteria, pick their brains. I don't think that there are more than a couple of dozen in the continent, but they would be more reliable than most others. Even they are not an absolutely reliable source - they will have their specialty and may have huge blind spots.

spookyh
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   Posted 10/31/2008 10:57 PM (GMT -7)   
Has anyone tried Natren Healthy Trinity? Expensive, but they sound kind of impressive.

Osprey101
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   Posted 10/31/2008 11:06 PM (GMT -7)   
Turns out that bifidus is able to break down pullulan; if Ebringer is to be believed and that Klebsiella pneumoniae is responsible, that could be the key. Kp produces pullulanase (an enzyme that breaks down pullulan), which in turn is interpreted by the body as being very similar to certain types of collagen (types I, III, and IV, to be precise). If the individual is positive for the HLA-B27 gene, the infection leads to ankylosing spondylitis. If the individual is negative for the gene, the result is Crohn's disease.

I didn't think much of bifidus (other than resolutely avoiding it) until I tried VSL#3. The first time was GREAT for about a week. The second time- while on an otherwise stable baseline, with no "illegal" foods in sight- I experienced significant pain and bleeding. Never again! (In fact, if anyone wants the rest of it...)

EMom
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   Posted 11/1/2008 5:22 AM (GMT -7)   
paintedsongs said...
Where do you get probiotics from? online? pharmacy? if from pharmacy do you need a scrpit?


I think it's safe to say that your better probiotics are carried in health food stores. Usually refrigerated. I buy some there and order Theralac online. VSL can be ordered in at your local Walgreens (it's extremely potent, more expensive, and probably not one I would recommend starting with, jmo). Udo's has one called "High Potency Bowel Blend" which I've been meaning to look in to, but again, I think I'd start with something less potent like their "Adult Blend" or one of the others recommended here.

Spooky, I'll look into the Natren one!

Roni
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   Posted 11/1/2008 9:59 AM (GMT -7)   
The best probiotics are the ones with several different probiotics/organisms in it.

Garden of Life Primal Defense is a multi-blend probiotic. 12 different probiotics in it. It's what I use with success. Helps with bloating, gas, and even slows down the bowels. Not as much pain after meals either.

Naboo57
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   Posted 11/2/2008 5:30 PM (GMT -7)   
I use the garden of life brand too with awesome results, they also have a great digestive enzyme. I take nearly the entire line of products.
Diagnosed with Crohns 3 years ago.
Diagnosed with RA in September.
 

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