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minou
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   Posted 3/8/2009 7:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi,

I've started the specific carbohydrate diet. It's been 1 week and so far I've seen some results... just wondering, in your experience, how long was it before you started to feel better? I mean, almost symptom-free. That is, if the diet worked for you.

Thanks!

M.

spookyh
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   Posted 3/8/2009 8:17 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm 3 months into SCD. Some people do fantastic and are symptom free relatively quickly, while others are still making strides a year or two later. It's all very individual.

There's a guy at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/BTVC-SCD/ who went from having terrible crohn's symptoms and many hospitalizations to symptom free/med free in two months. You can see the thread at http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/BTVC-SCD/message/17005 (you have to join the group to see the thread). That's very fast though. I'm not sure how common it is.

As for me, I'm doing okay. However, I started the diet while Humira was controlling a lot of my crohn's symptoms. I decided to start SCD before the meds quit working. I still have a lot of fatigue right now, which is one thing I'm hoping will improve with more time on the diet. I'm eating healthier then I ever have in my life though, which is great. Prior to starting the diet, I avoided fruit and vegetables, but now can eat quite a few of them when they're cooked well. Can't wait until I can tolerate raw!

minou
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   Posted 3/11/2009 7:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the reply! I can't wait until this diet kicks in... I avoided fruits and veggies before too, used to eat a lot of bread. Now it's all about the light, healthy stuff.

spookyh
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   Posted 3/11/2009 10:22 PM (GMT -7)   
Here's something I wrote up for someone interested in SCD. You might find some of them websites helpful in getting info or finding recipes. It's long!


You can eat the bulk of fruits and vegetables (just no corn or potatoes), meats (just no processed meats), most cheeses (no soft cheeses or mozzarella), homemade yogurt (fermented 24 hours to eliminate lactose), eggs, and honey as a your sweetener. Nut flours can be used to make breads and other baked goods. You can find a complete list of allowed foods here: http://www.austinscdfriends.citymax.com/articles/article/3691414/53672.htm. The main thing is that you have to cook almost everything, since most pre-made stuff is loaded with sugar and starch. You can get a lot more info at http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/.

I’m following the stages at http://www.pecanbread.com/. While the site is aimed heavily towards parents of autistic kids, the diet principles are mostly the same. The only real difference is that the autistic kids don’t usually tolerate dairy, so it’s not listed in the stages. I’m currently adding foods from stage 2. Here’s a direct link to the stages: http://www.pecanbread.com/new/scdfoods1.html#beyond.

I have a food dehydrator for making the yogurt, because we go through a lot of it. I eat a cup or two a day (with honey), and it’s used in a lot of recipes (and is the main ingredient when making ice cream!!!). The dehydrator I have holds up to 2 gallons worth.

A crockpot is great for the chicken soup. We put the whole chicken in, bones, skin, liver, the works. The liver disintegrates into the broth, so you can’t even taste it. The bones put a lot of nutrition into the broth too. Once it’s done, we strain everything out. Then I puree the carrots (can’t really taste them either) and add it back to the broth, as well as the chicken meat. My picky dad said it’s one of the best broths he’s eaten. It works well to freeze the broth and chicken into individual portions and pull out whenever I’m at a loss as to what to eat for supper. The cheesecake is pretty good, and tastes somewhat like a real cheesecake. If you don’t like dry curd cottage cheese, you can make it with dripped yogurt. I haven’t added nut flours to my diet yet, so I make a soufflé bread for things like hamburger buns. I just made some lemon curd a couple days ago, which is like a very very rich lemon pudding. Tonight I’m going to try making some meringue cookies with peppermint in them.

There are many SCD recipes sites. I like the ones with pictures, so you can see how the dish is supposed to turn out. I’ve always been a dessert fan, so I hope I’ll be able to tolerate nut flours so I can make the cakes and cookies. Here are some sites I like:

http://milkforthemorningcake.blogspot.com/ (all the recipes are listed on the right hand side. The ones that aren’t marked SCD are only gluten free)
http://nomorecrohns.com/deliciousrecipes.aspx
http://www.nomorecrohns.blogspot.com/ (the blog has recipes the other site doesn’t have)
http://comfybelly.com/ (click on SCD in the category list on the left side of the page)
http://deliciouslygf.blogspot.com/ (I think all of the recipes are SCD)
http://www.scdrecipe.com/recipes/
http://bethsblog.typepad.com/bethsblog/turtle_soup_the_recipes/ (I’ve searched through her blog and found all the recipes, so you don’t actually need to buy the cookbook)
http://eatingscd.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/eat-by-picture/
http://www.scdiet.org/2recipes/default.html
http://flog.cookingforceliacscolitiscrohnsandibs.com/category/recipes/ (the almond blueberry crumble looks delicious!)


And lastly, there are several helpful groups you can join at yahoo. Many of the moderators knew Elaine Gottschall personally, and have been on the diet for years. They are:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/BTVC-SCD/ (Marilyn and Mimi are especially knowledgeable)
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/ (Sheila and Susan know their stuff here)
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/scdinfo/
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/scdrecipe_creators/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCDrecipes/

minou
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   Posted 3/14/2009 5:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you!

I jumped right into the diet. The first thing I did was bake up some stuff with the almond flour, raisin bread, banana bread, peanut butter cookies, shortbread. For breakfast I'll usually have some bread and a fruit. Lunch is salad or chicken and veggies, still looking for more ideas. Dinner is similar to lunch with seafood or chicken or ground beef with veggies. And through out the day I try and add in cheese and fruit. Still haven't attempted the yogurt yet.

Here's a site I found with great recipes.
http://www.scdrecipe.com/recipes/

So far i feel different on this diet, but I wouldn't say better.

Jay25CA
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   Posted 3/16/2009 10:29 AM (GMT -7)   
It worked right away for me. But, I have heard that it takes the gut 4 months to properly heal. To speed the process I'd limit honey, fruit, and juice and stay away from almond flour until 3-4 months have past.

spookyh
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   Posted 3/16/2009 1:42 PM (GMT -7)   
I agree with Jay about limiting fruit and honey. People who stay away from the extra sweet stuff (apples, grapes, honey, etc.) seem to do better. Go light on the high carb fruits and veggies, and heavy on the low carb ones.

I've only had 2 setbacks on SCD. The first was when I had a glass of wine one month into the diet. I'm thinking the sulfates were what bothered me. The second was a two week period where I just didn't feel well, and had some symptoms flair. This was at around the 3 month mark, and from what I've read, the "3 month flair" is very common. Since then, I've been doing better, and think my energy is finally starting to improve. I just added shrimp to my diet, and was a little worried about how I would tolerate a "stringy" fish, but it seemed to go over fine. I haven't tried nut flours yet, but nut butter seems to be a good substitute in a lot of recipes.

EDIT: When you start nut butter, it's best to go with pecan or almond. Peanut butter and cashew butter tend to bother people at first because, as a legume, it's more starchy. I haven't tried either of them yet.

Post Edited (spookyhurst) : 3/16/2009 2:47:05 PM (GMT-6)


minou
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   Posted 3/16/2009 5:21 PM (GMT -7)   
Really? No nut flour? Limit fruit? I eat a lot of nut flour based foods and fruit, mostly bananas. Can anyone give me some ideas on what kind of snacks I can have? How come this isn't in the book?

aoccc
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   Posted 3/16/2009 5:57 PM (GMT -7)   
Everyone has different things that bother them even if its legal and used alot in the book. If you not having issues with the nut flour or you can eat tons of fruits and nothing flares, your probably ok for now :)
SCD since 01, remission since 01, occasional Arby's breaks :)


spookyh
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   Posted 3/17/2009 11:39 PM (GMT -7)   
While the BTVC book is great, I've also found it very helpful to read about people's experiences on the web. Overwhelmingly, it seems most people don't tolerate nut flour until at least 3 months into the diet. Either that, or they try to compensate for their lost breads by eating too many nut goods. A lot of people have problems with yeast too, which is why they limit the high carb fruits. I've been following the stages at pecanbread ( scroll down a little to see the chart at http://www.pecanbread.com/new/scdfoods1.html#beyond ). They list the foods in the order of ease of digestion (this can vary a bit from person to person). I've been adding stage 2 foods, and have been tolerating them well. I may give nut flour a shot in another month, but right now I'm happy with just using almond butter.

I don't really eat a lot of snacks. When I do, it's often cheese. Sometimes I cook it in the oven for a few minutes to make "cheese lace." Scrambled or hard cooked eggs are good, as is a banana with a little nut butter. Applesauce is something else I snack on. I love the nut butter brownies, and have to be careful not to overindulge, and have also perfected my frozen yogurt (very high calorie).
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