starting the intro to SCD today-any tips?

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cooper67
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   Posted 3/29/2009 12:25 PM (GMT -7)   
I am starting the SCD diet today.I made the chicken soup and i am on the second batch of yogurt.I cant seem to get enough of the yogurt-it is soooo good!Anyway I am going to start with the intro part of the diet for atleast five days if not longer and then branch out on the diet after.My question is,can I eat the basics on this diet and not cook the receipes.I will eventually cook some of these,but i will do better if I start out eating the allowed meats and veggies,fruit,yogurt etc just plain and basic and later cook the receipes.Does anyone know if this will be alright.Also what is homemade gelatin that they talk about in the book?Is it plain gelatin you make jello out of.In the mean time I am going to try and prepare some of the receipes that can be frozen so that I can just pull them out and heat.Please let me know if anyone has any tips for me.I am in a lot of pain and willing to do whatever it takes to feel better.I dont want to go back on prednisone,but that is next if this doesnt work.Also any more info about antibiotics and MAP would be greatly appreciated.My GI probably wont discuss MAP,but I am in the process of finding a new GI-until then I have to deal with him!! I am on Colazal 4 caps Twice a day,digestive enzymes,Intestinal Soothe and Build,fish oil,probiotics-some of these natural supplements I may need to stop while on SCD..some have kosher gelatin,vegetable cellulose and vegetable stearate-not sure what it is and if it will mess the diet up.

EMom
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   Posted 3/29/2009 1:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Cooper67!  I wish you much success on the diet!  You might want to sign up for the BTVC-SCD yahoo group.  They all are on the SCD there and are very helpful.  No question is too small or too big for them! 
 
I don't have my copy of the BTVC book here in front of me, but real gelatin comes from bones and skin of beef, veal, chicken, etc.  I believe that's what they are referring to in the book.  If you've already made your own home-made broth, you were probably getting some gelatin!  When you make your own broth from scratch and include the bones, gelatin comes from the bones (the marrow, I think) and becomes part of your now extra-nutritious broth!  Here's a pretty good explanation and a recipe I just ran across:
 
 
You can also purchase real gelatin from these folks:
 
 
I think it would be fine to do the allowed foods plain for now.  Can't see why it wouldn't be.  Also, I do a lot of what you mentioned; prepare recipes in advance and freeze them to pull out as needed.  This gives me a night off from cooking! turn   I also have some very simple recipes I make, too, which really don't take much effort.   
 
It's great you are already eating the yogurt!  They usually advise to start slowly with it because of the beneficial bacteria you are introducing into your gut, but it sounds like you didn't have any issues!  That's fabulous!  :-)


Mom to 16 year old son diagnosed in June, 2007.
Omega 3s, digestive enzymes, probiotics, vit. C, calcium w/D3, a good multivitamin and SCD legal yogurt
Started The Maker's Diet in Sept. '07. Incorporate Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) recipes, too.

Post Edited (EMom) : 3/29/2009 2:15:01 PM (GMT-6)


cooper67
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   Posted 3/29/2009 3:18 PM (GMT -7)   
Emom, thank you so much for getting back to me! I will check these websites out for sure.The simple recipes you make-would those be something you could email me?If its too much to email- I understand,but I need all the ideas I can get! I will check on BTVC-SCD as well.Thanks Beth-My email is bcarter40@hotmail.com

spookyh
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   Posted 3/29/2009 3:38 PM (GMT -7)   
People are going to get tired of seeing this, because I always post it for someone starting out on SCD. I've been on the diet now for 4 months. Definitely make sure your supplements are legal. You can post the ingredients at the BTVC board and someone will help you. The probiotic you take should only have adcidophulus in it (no bifudus). Personally, I don't take a pill, I just eat the homemade yogurt. Without further ado, here is my obnoxiously long post on starting SCD turn:

You can eat the bulk of fruits and vegetables (just no corn or potatoes), meats (just no processed meats), most cheeses (no soft cheeses or mozzarella), homemade yogurt (fermented 24 hours to eliminate lactose), eggs, and honey as a your sweetener. Nut flours can be used to make breads and other baked goods. You can find a complete list of allowed foods here: http://www.austinscdfriends.citymax.com/articles/article/3691414/53672.htm. The main thing is that you have to cook almost everything, since most pre-made stuff is loaded with sugar and starch. You can get a lot more info at http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/.

I’m following the stages at http://www.pecanbread.com/. While the site is aimed heavily towards parents of autistic kids, the diet principles are mostly the same. The only real difference is that the autistic kids don’t usually tolerate dairy, so it’s not listed in the stages. I’m currently adding foods from stage 2. Here’s a direct link to the stages: http://www.pecanbread.com/new/scdfoods1.html#beyond.

I have a food dehydrator for making the yogurt, because we go through a lot of it. I eat a cup or two a day (with honey), and it’s used in a lot of recipes (and is the main ingredient when making ice cream!!!). The dehydrator I have holds up to 2 gallons worth.

A crockpot is great for the chicken soup. We put the whole chicken in, bones, skin, liver, the works. The liver disintegrates into the broth, so you can’t even taste it. The bones put a lot of nutrition into the broth too. Once it’s done, we strain everything out. Then I puree the carrots (can’t really taste them either) and add it back to the broth, as well as the chicken meat. My picky dad said it’s one of the best broths he’s eaten. It works well to freeze the broth and chicken into individual portions and pull out whenever I’m at a loss as to what to eat for supper. The cheesecake is pretty good, and tastes somewhat like a real cheesecake. If you don’t like dry curd cottage cheese, you can make it with dripped yogurt. I haven’t added nut flours to my diet yet, so I make a soufflé bread for things like hamburger buns. I just made some lemon curd a couple days ago, which is like a very very rich lemon pudding. Tonight I’m going to try making some meringue cookies with peppermint in them. I have an ice cream maker too, and make a very yummy frozen yogurt.

There are many SCD recipes sites. I like the ones with pictures, so you can see how the dish is supposed to turn out. I’ve always been a dessert fan, so I hope I’ll be able to tolerate nut flours so I can make the cakes and cookies. Right now I use almond butter instead, which works surprisingly well (you would never guess my muffins have no flour of any kind in them). Here are some sites I like:

http://milkforthemorningcake.blogspot.com/ (all the recipes are listed on the right hand side. The ones that aren’t marked SCD are only gluten free)
http://nomorecrohns.com/deliciousrecipes.aspx
http://www.nomorecrohns.blogspot.com/ (the blog has recipes the other site doesn’t have)
http://comfybelly.com/ (click on SCD in the category list on the left side of the page)
http://deliciouslygf.blogspot.com/ (I think all of the recipes are SCD)
http://www.scdrecipe.com/recipes/
http://bethsblog.typepad.com/bethsblog/turtle_soup_the_recipes/ (I’ve searched through her blog and found all the recipes, so you don’t actually need to buy the cookbook)
http://eatingscd.wordpress.com/2008/03/10/eat-by-picture/
http://www.scdiet.org/2recipes/default.html
http://flog.cookingforceliacscolitiscrohnsandibs.com/category/recipes/ (the almond blueberry crumble looks delicious!)


And lastly, there are several helpful groups you can join at yahoo. Many of the moderators knew Elaine Gottschall personally, and have been on the diet for years. They are:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/BTVC-SCD/ (Marilyn and Mimi are especially knowledgeable)
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/ (Sheila and Susan know their stuff here)
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/scdinfo/
http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/scdrecipe_creators/
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SCDrecipes/

spookyh
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   Posted 3/29/2009 3:45 PM (GMT -7)   
I forgot to mention the gelatin. I like mine thick, so I use 2 packets of plain gelatin (Knox, or a store generic brand), 1 cup of water, 1 cup of juice (Welch's 100% grape juice, Tropicana orange juice (be careful to get low pulp with no calcium), Apple cider (don't get apple juice) or Knudson's Just Juice). I like to use 1/2 of tablespoon of honey as well, but it depends on how sweet you like your jello.

cooper67
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   Posted 3/29/2009 8:12 PM (GMT -7)   
Spooky that info is awesome!How do you feel since you have been on the diet.I hope to have some relief soon!! Thanks for all the websites that helps more than you know.I hope to try some of the recipes as soon as I have a weekend that I can do nothing but cook and freeze them.My email is up above if you think of anything that may be helpful to me.Good luck in your journey!!Beth

EMom
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   Posted 3/29/2009 9:07 PM (GMT -7)   
I have my gelatins mixed up and forgot the SCD intro diet has home made jello as a menu staple!  Sorry about that!  We never used that because my son doesn't like jello. rolleyes   Spooky's right, though.  Knox is a good brand!  Also, keep in mind that the gelatin from bone broth is supposed to be super nutritious and healing for the gut!  Jordan Rubin explains this in The Maker's Diet.  Sally Fallon also gives tips on it in her amazing book, Nourishing Traditions.  I try to keep a stash of frozen home made broth in my freezer--at least through the winter months--for any soup I may make. 
 
Cooper, I am going to be gone for a little over a week and need to prepare for the trip, but I will send you some recipes when I get back!  Do you like fish?  We eat salmon, tilapia, and tuna and walleye a lot.  My simplest meal is just to grill the fish with a little olive oil and lemon, but I have some legitimate recipes for fish, too.  Spooky gave you all the great links for SCD recipes, so now you know it all!  Again, I wish you great success!  Also, please consider joining that yahoo group.  They can really help you and coach you as you embark on this journey!  Good luck!
 
 
  
 
 
 
 

spookyh
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   Posted 3/29/2009 9:33 PM (GMT -7)   
I started the diet already feeling decent due to Humira. I decided to start SCD to try to help my severe fatigue (no major change yet), and to prepare for the day that Humira quits working for me. I'm eating healthier than I probably ever have in my life, so I'm very happy to have found the diet! I pretty much avoided eating fruits and veggies pre-SCD, but now eat them daily. My constipation issues are better as well, so that's good. My allergies are significantly better. My skin used to itch a lot, and doesn't anymore. I no longer get weird fluid filled bumps in my mouth after eating (I suspect soy or corn as the culprit, since they're in so many products). My seasonal allergies are probably about 75% improved over last year. I still have a little drainage, but not the maddening itching of the eyes, nose, and throat like I used to. I started eating local raw honey when I started the diet, so that could be part of the reason for the improvement.

At this point, I can't really imagine going back to eating the way I used to. I look at the ingredients of store bought foods, and am rather revolted by all the junk they put in things. That's not to say that I still don't get cravings, it's just easy for me to think about the taste of cake without feeling the need to actually eat it smilewinkgrin.

My diet isn't very complicated. I tend to eat similar things everyday, since I'm still not terribly energetic in terms of whipping up recipes (hopefully that will change, because I've compiled quite a few tasty ones). I always have yogurt with a little honey, and always eat a beet brownie (absolutely delicious, tastes almost like a real brownie). I've recently decided I can tolerate 2 nut butter goods a day, so have added a banana muffin. I like to eat deviled eggs or scrambled eggs (with cheddar cheese) because it's easy and filling. Butternut squash with butter is really tasty. Zucchini is pretty easy to tolerate, and isn't too bad with a little butter and Parmesan cheese (the real stuff, not the stuff in the can wink). You can melt/cook cheese to make a taco shell (there's a pic at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/pecanbread/photos/album/1023648989/pic/1371727839/view?picmode=&mode=tn&order=ordinal&start=1&count=20&dir=asc). I recently found I can tolerate shrimp, hurray! I need to start eating more fish, but currently compensate by taking cod liver oil, salmon oil, and sardine/mackerel/anchovy oil.

Try not to overeat sweet stuff (honey, fruit juice (make sure to dilute it with water), sweet fruits) since it can feed yeast in the gut. And don't be afraid to eat plenty of fat. I keep track of everything I eat with a program called Fitday (you can also get a free internet based account at fitday.com) so that I know exactly how many calories I'm eating a day (I probably wouldn't eat enough if I wasn't keeping track). Also, by keeping track of the food you eat and your symptoms, you'll be able to discover if you're not tolerating something.

Good luck!

Post Edited (spookyhurst) : 3/29/2009 10:36:54 PM (GMT-6)


njmom
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   Posted 3/30/2009 10:13 AM (GMT -7)   
If you are starting, I'd recommend you follow it with "fanatical adherence" as the author of "Breaking the Vicious Cycle" insists. And that you buy the book, in case you haven't already. There are just too many things you might miss knowing  if you don't read the book.
 
Make sure your salt has no ingredients like Dextrose. Morton's Salt comes in two versions, with dextrose (the iodized version) or without dextrose. Since you will not be getting iodine from salt, you might want to check out www.lucyskitchen.com which carries an SCD-legal multivitamin as well as a yogurt maker, cookbooks, etc.
 
Yep, all that crap in stores is pretty gross. The diet is hard initially, but after awhile it becomes a way of life. Elaine died while the issue of how much lactose remained in cheese was up in the air, so we try to find cheese aged at least six months. THe longer it is aged, the lower the lactose and the higher the probiotics.

janicea
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   Posted 3/30/2009 11:17 AM (GMT -7)   
I've toyed around with the idea of SCD and I always appreciate these posts. I spent 2 years on liqiud smoothies, and one year gluten free (smoothie years were also almost gluten free). I've recently gone back on normal foods, but it ain't woriking for me, I'm partially obstructed as i write this.... anyway, i hope you guys keep discussing scd because i find it all very interesting. thanks.

cooper67
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   Posted 3/30/2009 12:37 PM (GMT -7)   
EMom said...
I have my gelatins mixed up and forgot the SCD intro diet has home made jello as a menu staple!  Sorry about that!  We never used that because my son doesn't like jello. rolleyes   Spooky's right, though.  Knox is a good brand!  Also, keep in mind that the gelatin from bone broth is supposed to be super nutritious and healing for the gut!  Jordan Rubin explains this in The Maker's Diet.  Sally Fallon also gives tips on it in her amazing book, Nourishing Traditions.  I try to keep a stash of frozen home made broth in my freezer--at least through the winter months--for any soup I may make. 
 
Cooper, I am going to be gone for a little over a week and need to prepare for the trip, but I will send you some recipes when I get back!  Do you like fish?  We eat salmon, tilapia, and tuna and walleye a lot.  My simplest meal is just to grill the fish with a little olive oil and lemon, but I have some legitimate recipes for fish, too.  Spooky gave you all the great links for SCD recipes, so now you know it all!  Again, I wish you great success!  Also, please consider joining that yahoo group.  They can really help you and coach you as you embark on this journey!  Good luck!
 
 Emom Thanks a bunch-yes I eat lots of fish-all kinds-my husband does alot of deep sea fishing so my freezer is stocked most of the time.When its not, I buy salmon or tilapia at the store.I eat chicken as well- very little red meat,stomach cant handle it.Hope you have a good trip and thanks for your help.Beth
  
 
 
 
 

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   Posted 3/30/2009 12:42 PM (GMT -7)   
I would like to add one comment. I just read yesterday that these diets are good at easing your symptoms, but it is important to still stay on your maintainence medications as the medications help to keep your inflammation levels down. JMHO
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lenagirl
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   Posted 3/30/2009 3:28 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm not sure I have too much to offer in the way of advice since I'm just starting the SCD too. I'm on day 9 now, and it's going okay. I only stayed on the intro for about 2-3 days before adding a few more foods, since my symptoms aren't too bad right now anyway. The only recipe I've really been using is the cheesecake one, which is really good for curbing my carb cravings (I like to top it off with a few spoonfulls of SCD yogurt for a little added tartness). Other than that I've just been doing basic proteins and adding in some more fruits and veggies (ripe bananas, applesauce, cooked carrots, zuchinni) and starting to experiment with almond butter. It seems to be going pretty well for me so far.

lovepink
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   Posted 3/30/2009 3:39 PM (GMT -7)   
Wow well good luck to you all on the diet. It didn't work for me. Just crazy to me how one thing cannot work for one and then work so good for the next! Good Luck! And hope it does well. My only advice would be, GIVE IT TIME, don't just give up after 2 weeks.... Keep going...

LOVEPINK
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Unfortunately, nothing has worked for me. But I will keep on going and trying everything possible!

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