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Rider Fan
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   Posted 4/4/2009 6:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Are potato chips low residue? I've been some because they are a high calorie and gluten and fibre free. I've been having a few blueberries, are these bad as well?
32 y/o male. Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

Current meds: Humira 2/27/09. 17.5mg prednisone. Udo's Choice Probiotics (30 billion). Can't tolerate any iron supplements.

Tried SCD, didn't work, now avoiding gluten and dairy.


ivy6
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   Posted 4/4/2009 6:18 PM (GMT -7)   
The fat on the chips might be a problem. If you *must* have chips, could you make some oven baked ones?

The skin on the blueberries might be a problem too.

I think it depends on how low-res you are at the moment. Is yours a strict diet, or are you permitted to experiment and add things that you can tolerate?
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Rider Fan
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   Posted 4/4/2009 6:25 PM (GMT -7)   
My GI is zero help with diet. I'm just watching what I eat because I keep bleeding, as I've sure you've read me harp on about.

Thing is I don't get much pain when I eat these things, so I have no idea what is causing the bleeding....so I don't really know what I can tolerate. Maybe the food doesn't matter, I don't know. If the fat in the chips was causing a problem, do you think I would have some pain?
32 y/o male. Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

Current meds: Humira 2/27/09. 17.5mg prednisone. Udo's Choice Probiotics (30 billion). Can't tolerate any iron supplements.

Tried SCD, didn't work, now avoiding gluten and dairy.


Rider Fan
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   Posted 4/4/2009 6:27 PM (GMT -7)   
Just realized I had some brown rice for dinner, darn....
32 y/o male. Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

Current meds: Humira 2/27/09. 17.5mg prednisone. Udo's Choice Probiotics (30 billion). Can't tolerate any iron supplements.

Tried SCD, didn't work, now avoiding gluten and dairy.


ivy6
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   Posted 4/4/2009 6:46 PM (GMT -7)   
LOL, yes, I think that could be a problem :-)

Hmmmm. What constitutes your typical diet at the moment?
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Rider Fan
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   Posted 4/4/2009 7:42 PM (GMT -7)   
But how do I know it's even a problem if it gives me no symptoms? For all I know it could be fine, I just have no idea.

Breakfast: Hot rice cereal with 6 blueberries.
Lunch : Salmon salad on gluten free bread (brown rice bread, but it's the only gluten free bread in the city), white rice crackers with turkey salad, chicken soup with rice noodles, mashed potaotoes
Dinner: Ground turkey patties with mayo, mashed potatoes, completely soggy overcooked carrots, apple juice
Snack: Potato chips, rice crackers
32 y/o male. Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

Current meds: Humira 2/27/09. 17.5mg prednisone. Udo's Choice Probiotics (30 billion). Can't tolerate any iron supplements.

Tried SCD, didn't work, now avoiding gluten and dairy.


Zanne
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   Posted 4/4/2009 8:02 PM (GMT -7)   
How do I know its a problem if it gives me no problems? Bleeding is a problem!!!! Sorry not trying to be harsh, just honest.

I Have been doing low residue for years. I can get away with an occasional rice cake, not several a day. Blueberry skins would kill me on a regular basis. Even very well cooked veggies on a regular basis is too much.

Do a web search on low residue diets and you will get a very good idea of what to eat and what to avoid. There is a difference between low residue and low fiber, so be careful.
Suzanne

CD 20 years officially, 30 unofficially. 3 resections '93, '95 '97
Managing with strict low residue diet, keeping symptoms to a minimum. All test show small amount of ulceration, still have occasional blockages. But still have a great time with my 2 daughters and husband!


Prednisone, 6MP,Prevacid, B12 shots, Bentyl, Xifaxan.....


Rider Fan
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   Posted 4/4/2009 10:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Um, yes I know it's a problem, but I don't always know when I bleed, or when I do, how do I know what caused it?

I never have red. Sometimes I have black stool, but how do I know what caused the bleeding if I ate more than one food in the past 24 hours?? Especially since it can take a couple days for black stool to resolve even after the bleeding stops.

Plus, I've gone months with no black stool, no red stool, no symptoms, yet my hemoglobin drops. So....how I am supposed to know what caused it?

Low residue diets are high in white bread, I can't eat white bread, only gluten free bread of which I can only find brown rice bread. Low residue diets are high in dairy, can't eat dairy even with Lactaid. They say to eat eggs, can't eat eggs either, too much gas. Eat peanut butter, I stopped eating peanut butte because there were lots of people here saying the anachiondic acid causes inflammation.
32 y/o male. Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

Current meds: Humira 2/27/09. 17.5mg prednisone. Udo's Choice Probiotics (30 billion). Can't tolerate any iron supplements.

Tried SCD, didn't work, now avoiding gluten and dairy.

Post Edited (Rider Fan) : 4/4/2009 11:05:57 PM (GMT-6)


ivy6
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   Posted 4/4/2009 10:10 PM (GMT -7)   
Rider, this is just an idea, but is it possible that you're trying to exclude too much from your diet at once? It is *hard* to exclude gluten and dairy all at once; why not choose one and exclude that for a few months, and then try the other diet if you see no improvement?

At least that way you'd know which was causing your gut problems: gluten or dairy.

Ivy.

ps. Can you use soy or rice milk instead of dairy?
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Rider Fan
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   Posted 4/4/2009 10:24 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes I can use rice milk. I've been doing the gluten and dairy free thing for almost a year now. Seems like every time I try one or the other, I have a bad few days. Of course this could be a coincidence, but I'm too scared to eat either right now.

I guess I will stop all fruit and only eat the completely overcooked carrot bits a few times a week. Other than that I don't think there is much a can do. I also overcook the rice cereal into mush. Other than that I don't know what I can do without losing weight and becoming completely malnourished.

Very frustrating because I can go weeks with no gut symptoms, 1 normal firm bowel movement a day (I never have diarrhea), no pain, yet I know it means nothing because I can be losing blood at the same time and not even know it.
32 y/o male. Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

Current meds: Humira 2/27/09. 17.5mg prednisone. Udo's Choice Probiotics (30 billion). Can't tolerate any iron supplements.

Tried SCD, didn't work, now avoiding gluten and dairy.


spookyh
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   Posted 4/4/2009 10:32 PM (GMT -7)   
How about eating almond butter or pecan butter? I find both very easy to tolerate, and for most people, they go over better than peanut butter. I'm an almond butter fiend, and have to be careful not to overindulge.

Have you tried taking enzymes when you eat? It might help you tolerate eggs, among other things. I take Prozymes from GI Pro Health, but that's because they're SCD legal. You could probably find one that's cheaper.

I'd probably try rice milk or almond milk before soy. Too many ugly stories out their about soy. I quit eating soy when I started eating SCD, and I suspect that either that or corn derivatives were causing issues (itchy skin, fluid filled bumps in my mouth) immediately upon eating certain processed foods.

Have you tried well-cooked zuchiini? It seems like that's the one vegetable that a lot of crohn's people can tolerate. I like it cooked with a little olive oil.

I'd stay far away from potato chips, even on a good day ;).

Rider Fan
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   Posted 4/4/2009 10:36 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Spooky. I could try almond butter, I'm just scared to try anything new. Yes I do take enzymes and I do think they help!

Well, I could TRY zucchini, but I never know if it's bad for me until it's too late. A bad bleed will mean another blood transfusion. What happens to you with potato chips?
32 y/o male. Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

Current meds: Humira 2/27/09. 17.5mg prednisone. Udo's Choice Probiotics (30 billion). Can't tolerate any iron supplements.

Tried SCD, didn't work, now avoiding gluten and dairy.


Dagger
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   Posted 4/4/2009 10:40 PM (GMT -7)   
If you can't get the bread you need, stop eating bread altogether. You can use white rice crackers in place of bread although it's tough to make a good sandwich on a tiny cracker!

Rider Fan
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   Posted 4/4/2009 10:43 PM (GMT -7)   
Dagger said...
If you can't get the bread you need, stop eating bread altogether. You can use white rice crackers in place of bread although it's tough to make a good sandwich on a tiny cracker!


Did you read my diet, I'm hardly eating food as it is...
32 y/o male. Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

Current meds: Humira 2/27/09. 17.5mg prednisone. Udo's Choice Probiotics (30 billion). Can't tolerate any iron supplements.

Tried SCD, didn't work, now avoiding gluten and dairy.


ivy6
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   Posted 4/4/2009 10:47 PM (GMT -7)   
Hmmm. What happens if you make some pancakes out of white gluten-free flour, and use those as a base for toppings/ sandwich fillings / etc?

Also, can you get flat / mountain bread there? That might be a helpful substitute.

Other than that, Rider, all I can think of is mashing or pureeing any fruit or veg you eat. Could you mash some banana into your breakfast mush, for instance?
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Rider Fan
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   Posted 4/4/2009 10:51 PM (GMT -7)   
I see that peaches are allowed. Maybe a could but a piece of that on my cereal. Bananas give me unbelievable gas, so I avoid that. We have flat breads, but I've never seen it gluten free...
32 y/o male. Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

Current meds: Humira 2/27/09. 17.5mg prednisone. Udo's Choice Probiotics (30 billion). Can't tolerate any iron supplements.

Tried SCD, didn't work, now avoiding gluten and dairy.


ivy6
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   Posted 4/4/2009 10:58 PM (GMT -7)   
Oh, that's odd. A lot of our flat bread is gluten free. Hmmm. That makes it difficult.

Pears work for me, as long as I peel (and sometimes puree) them. Would that work? And there's always stewed, peeled apples...
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Rider Fan
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   Posted 4/4/2009 11:01 PM (GMT -7)   
True. I'll look for the flatbread again. Thanks.
32 y/o male. Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

Current meds: Humira 2/27/09. 17.5mg prednisone. Udo's Choice Probiotics (30 billion). Can't tolerate any iron supplements.

Tried SCD, didn't work, now avoiding gluten and dairy.


ivy6
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   Posted 4/4/2009 11:07 PM (GMT -7)   
I do worry about the peaches, mainly because they're stone fruit and can increase d if you're unlucky. Me, I'd be inclined to try the pears first.

Re the flat bread, don't forget that I'm in Australia so the brands etc might be different. I always assumed you had more variety there, but maybe our coeliac lobby is more powerful here...?
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lenagirl
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   Posted 4/4/2009 11:41 PM (GMT -7)   
If you can only get gluten-free bread made with brown rice, you might try substituting plain white rice in your lunches for a few days or a week and see if you notice any changes, because whole grains are definitely not low-residue.
Also, can you tolerate yogurt? I like to have plain or vanilla yogurt with honey for a low residue snack, and often people who have trouble with other dairy can tolerate it, plus it gives you some extra friendly bacteria. I have whole milk yogurt, which I find is a good way to get in some extra calories (along with protein, and calcium).
As for the potato chips, I'm giving the SCD a try now, but when I was flaring in the past I ate baked potato chips somewhat regularly for a while without any problem (and I get a lot of pain from high fiber/ high residue foods). And fried potato chips shouldn't be any higher residue than fried ones, since the only real difference is the fat.

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   Posted 4/4/2009 11:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Rider Fan, I always thought it was the fat in the potato chips and french fries that bothered me. Now I think it was the starch in the potato, because I'm currently eating a pretty high fat diet and doing fine.

Have you tried soaking your rice over night? I got my mom to start soaking her oatmeal overnight (read that it's more nutritious and digestible that way), and it's quite mushy after she cooks it.

Personally, I do fine with cooked peaches. However, I'm not in a flare. I agree with Ivy that applesauce or pearsauce might be better.

EDIT: Good luck with SCD lenagirl :-)! I'm 4 months in, and am doing okay. My fatigue seems to FINALLY be lifting.

Post Edited (spookyhurst) : 4/5/2009 12:45:56 AM (GMT-6)


ivy6
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   Posted 4/4/2009 11:51 PM (GMT -7)   
That's great news, Spooky!
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Zanne
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   Posted 4/5/2009 5:53 AM (GMT -7)   
How about having your doctor refer you out to a nutritionist who can work with you to get you on the proper diet for maximum weight retention and minimum damage. Most of the food you have mentioned is not low residue.
Suzanne

CD 20 years officially, 30 unofficially. 3 resections '93, '95 '97
Managing with strict low residue diet, keeping symptoms to a minimum. All test show small amount of ulceration, still have occasional blockages. But still have a great time with my 2 daughters and husband!


Prednisone, 6MP,Prevacid, B12 shots, Bentyl, Xifaxan.....


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   Posted 4/5/2009 6:39 AM (GMT -7)   
Not sure if they are allowed on SCD or not, but I eat corn tortillas and have no problems. I think you really should take a look at those blueberries. Now I can eat them when they are baked in muffins and such, but not so sure how I would do with the fresh. They also come out black in my stool and have scared me at times thinking it was black stool, but it really was just the berries. I eat alot of fish, chicken, turkey. I eat some white bread but not alot. I can eat some of the things you can't such as bananas, beans and eggs. Just goes to show how different all our diets are. I think you would consider my low res diet as modified for me:) And maybe it is the same with you, you have to make it fit for your system. Good luck!!
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Rider Fan
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   Posted 4/5/2009 10:08 AM (GMT -7)   
lenagirl said...
If you can only get gluten-free bread made with brown rice, you might try substituting plain white rice in your lunches for a few days or a week and see if you notice any changes, because whole grains are definitely not low-residue.
Also, can you tolerate yogurt? I like to have plain or vanilla yogurt with honey for a low residue snack, and often people who have trouble with other dairy can tolerate it, plus it gives you some extra friendly bacteria. I have whole milk yogurt, which I find is a good way to get in some extra calories (along with protein, and calcium).
As for the potato chips, I'm giving the SCD a try now, but when I was flaring in the past I ate baked potato chips somewhat regularly for a while without any problem (and I get a lot of pain from high fiber/ high residue foods). And fried potato chips shouldn't be any higher residue than fried ones, since the only real difference is the fat.


I could try eating more white rice, but as I've said, I never notice any changes since the only way I would be able to tell if it makes a difference is my monthly blood results as I have no other symptoms. So I would have to substitute in the white rice while keeping everything else constant for a month in order to tell a difference.

I can't eat yogurt, even the SCD kind.
32 y/o male. Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

Current meds: Humira 2/27/09. 17.5mg prednisone. Udo's Choice Probiotics (30 billion). Can't tolerate any iron supplements.

Tried SCD, didn't work, now avoiding gluten and dairy.

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