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Nanners
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   Posted 4/19/2009 7:39 AM (GMT -7)   
I just did a fasting test for my Cholesterol and found that mine is borderline high.  I am so sick of this crap.  I am tired of finding out there is something else wrong with me. 
 
So anyone else with high cholesterol?  What do you do for it? 
 
Thanks from a very grumpy *Nanners*.
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Been living with Crohn's Disease for 33 years. Currently on Asacol, Prilosec, Estrace, Prinivil, Diltiazem, Percoset prn for pain, Zofran, Phenergan, Probiotics, and Calcium and Xanax as needed. Resections in 2002 and 2005. Also diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and Osteoarthritis and Anxiety. Currently my Crohns is in remission.
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Wolfie40
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   Posted 4/19/2009 9:17 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm sorry to hear that. I actually don't know if I have high or not. I do need to get it checked.
Whats wierd is that you eat a low residue diet. What did they say? Eat better and excersize more?

Stay strong!!
Diagnosed with Crohns in 2001
First and hopefully last Ileocecectomy 2/18/2009

Medications: Asacol, Folic Acid, Multivitamin, Dbl. Calcium, Probiotics, Protonix, Monthly B-12 injections.

Living a Great life with my Wife and my two Chocolate Labs
Hunter & Hailey.
I love them dearly.


Keeper
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   Posted 4/19/2009 9:22 AM (GMT -7)   
There is a known effective supplement - niacin. You want it in the "Inositol hexaniacinate" form to avoid uncomfortable hot flushing when you take a useful amount. Garlic capsules (I use Kyolic garlic - supposed to be odorless) also help to lower cholesterol.

Nanners
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   Posted 4/19/2009 9:30 AM (GMT -7)   
Keeper is the niacin hard on the stomach? The reason I ask is because I have a very sensitive gut, and am very sensitive to supplements. It seems everything upsets it:)

I think I eat a fairly healthy diet "for a" Crohnie. I do eat the low res diet. Don't eat prepackage foods etc. Just frustrated because I find something that works for me, but still get this dumb high colesterol. I was reading how good it is to eat lots of veggies and fruits, but how are you supposed to do that when they tear your gut up?????
Gail*Nanners* Co-Moderator for Anxiety/Panic Forum
Been living with Crohn's Disease for 33 years. Currently on Asacol, Prilosec, Estrace, Prinivil, Diltiazem, Percoset prn for pain, Zofran, Phenergan, Probiotics, and Calcium and Xanax as needed. Resections in 2002 and 2005. Also diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and Osteoarthritis and Anxiety. Currently my Crohns is in remission.
*Every tomorrow has two handles.  We can take hold of it by the handle of anxiety, or by the handle of faith"*

Keeper
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   Posted 4/19/2009 9:42 AM (GMT -7)   
I can't answer for your tender gut.... I can only say that the Insoitol form is slowly broken down in your system - a bit like time release - so it would be as gentle as it might be. That said, you can only really try it and see. Your gut is the only real authority here.

pb4
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   Posted 4/19/2009 11:17 AM (GMT -7)   
In my early 20's I had high cholesterol and it freaked my doc out cuz I was young and thin but I ate alot of butter and shell fish cuz we had finally gotten a Red LObster in our area and were eating there a good 4 times a week (thank goodness that novelty wore off)...he had me on meds for a bit and then I went off them (hated having to be so careful about not ingesting any grapefruit cuz of the major interaction cholesterol meds have with it). So I started controlling it myself with diet and that alone helped to bring it down enough to not be in "the danger zone" as my doc called it and now that I eat even better and exercise regularly and am still on the thinner side my levels are great.

:)
My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)


Zanne
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   Posted 4/19/2009 12:58 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey there my twin. I too have out of whack cholesterol levels. But my GI is unconcerned because of the way the levels are out of whack. My GP seems a little more concerned but my levels have stayed the same for the last few years and my ratio is fine, just that my bad cholesterol is high.

But the weird part is that years ago ( and I do mean years!!!!) the treatment for high cholesterol was to remove the terminal ileum because that is where the bulk of the cholesterol is absorbed, and I was told when I had my first resection that I would never have to worry about high cholesterol for just that reason. My GI also told me that any meds that I would be put on would most likely interfere with my B12 absorption and that would be more critical at this point than my cholesterol.

So that's my story. Not sure how out of whack your levels are, but my diet is pretty low in actual cholesterol and I'm not sure that I could change much if I wanted to. I CAN'T eat fruit and veggies unless I want to live in the hospital and I eat very little red meat, mostly fish and chicken. I don't think there is anything diet wise I can do, so it would have to be medication if the levels go off any more.
Suzanne

CD 20 years officially, 30 unofficially. 3 resections '93, '95 '97
Managing with strict low residue diet, keeping symptoms to a minimum. All test show small amount of ulceration, still have occasional blockages. But still have a great time with my 2 daughters and husband!


Prednisone, 6MP,Prevacid, B12 shots, Bentyl, Xifaxan.....


spookyh
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   Posted 4/19/2009 1:47 PM (GMT -7)   
I just had a cholesterol test, and it's out of sight high (292)! It's always been high, but I think this is the worst that's it's been. I refuse to take a statin drug though, because I've read very ugly things about it. I'm hoping that SCD will help bring it down. I'm taking a lot of fish oil (3000 mg) which is supposed to be helpful in bringing it down. High doses of niacin is supposed to be very helpful, but I haven't decided whether or not to try it yet. Exercise is supposed to help a lot, and since I currently get none, that may be my ticket to lowering it.

However, I've read that cholesterol is actually nothing to worry about. It's actually high triglycerides that are more indicative of future heart troubles. If you google "cholesterol myth" you'll find that high cholesterol may not be the horrible thing that we've been led to believe. Here are 3 articles that say that high cholesterol (especially in older women) is nothing to worry about:

http://www.westonaprice.org/moderndiseases/benefits_cholest.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/fats_phony.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/knowyourfats/cholesterol-friend.html
34 years old, Crohn's disease for 15 of them
Current Meds: Humira since 7/08, Pentasa, Effexor XR
Supplements: 3 kinds of Fish Oil, Multi-Vitamin, B-Complex, Vitamins D, E, & K, Calcium, Magnesium, Enzymes
SCD since 12/01/08 - eating Stage 2 foods


Zanne
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   Posted 4/19/2009 2:53 PM (GMT -7)   
So I went and dug up my most recent blood tests.

My overall cholesterol is 173, under the 200 normal range.
HDL (good cholesterol) is 61, over the 40 normal range.
LDL (bad cholesterol) is 78, uner the 130 normal range.

But my Trigycerides are 239, which is borderline for the lab I go to. So for whatever reason, all my other levels are fine but that one is out of kilter. Like I posted above, my GI is OK with this, my GP, wants me to watch my diet, which I already do, and I can't really do much more.
Suzanne

CD 20 years officially, 30 unofficially. 3 resections '93, '95 '97
Managing with strict low residue diet, keeping symptoms to a minimum. All test show small amount of ulceration, still have occasional blockages. But still have a great time with my 2 daughters and husband!


Prednisone, 6MP,Prevacid, B12 shots, Bentyl, Xifaxan.....


spookyh
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   Posted 4/19/2009 7:01 PM (GMT -7)   
If you look up high triglycerides, it says that steroids can cause it. Maybe that's why your GI isn't worried.
34 years old, Crohn's disease for 15 of them
Current Meds: Humira since 7/08, Pentasa, Effexor XR
Supplements: 3 kinds of Fish Oil, Multi-Vitamin, B-Complex, Vitamins D, E, & K, Calcium, Magnesium, Enzymes
SCD since 12/01/08 - eating Stage 2 foods


Nanners
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   Posted 4/20/2009 6:25 AM (GMT -7)   
Thank you everyone for your replies, they really help alot. Here are my levels:

Cholesterol: 220
Triglicerides: 179
HDL: 69
LDL Calc: 115
HDL: 3.2

Like you Zanne, there is not much I can change about my diet as it is pretty limited as it is. I left a message for my family doc to let me know if I need to do something. I would prefer to stay as natural as possible, as I too heard bad stuff about Statins. I think I might go to the healthfood store and see if they can recommend some Niacin and Omega 3's that are gentle on the gut. If anyone has as sensitive a gut as mine and uses one of these supplements that is gentle, please let me know.

Hugs
Gail *Nanners*
Gail*Nanners* Co-Moderator for Anxiety/Panic Forum
Been living with Crohn's Disease for 33 years. Currently on Asacol, Prilosec, Estrace, Prinivil, Diltiazem, Percoset prn for pain, Zofran, Phenergan, Probiotics, and Calcium and Xanax as needed. Resections in 2002 and 2005. Also diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and Osteoarthritis and Anxiety. Currently my Crohns is in remission.
*Every tomorrow has two handles.  We can take hold of it by the handle of anxiety, or by the handle of faith"*

njmom
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   Posted 4/20/2009 4:12 PM (GMT -7)   

My mom, a good 1950s mom, was persuaded by the medical profession and the food industry to replace butter with margarine. I didn't taste butter until I was 8 years old, pronounced it heavenly, and thereafter ate butter whenever I could. FINALLY the medical profession and margarine marketers had to admit that TRANS FATS like margarine are poison.

Am reading an amazing book, "Politically Incorrect Nutrition," which fights the food industry's public brainwashing about many nutritional issues. The chapter on cholesterol starts out:

"The year 1924 proved to be a disaster for the science of nutrition. That year, scientist fed lots of cholesterol to bunnies whose arteries got clogged, and they died. Conclusion: feed people lots of cholesterol and they will die. Terrific science, except for a couple of things. The cholesterol fed to the rabbits was already damaged (oxidised - not fresh), and rabbits have very different digestive systems from humans. They are vegetarians and have no way of dealing with dietary cholesterol. But the news was out and the vegetable industry took note:'Scare the people about the cholesterol in animal fat and we'll sell them our vegetable fat."

Some of the other key findings from this chapter:

- The fear of cholesterol found in meat and dairy is unfounded. In terms of heart disease, there is no greater risk at cholesterol levels of 300 than at 180. Half of all those having heart attacks had cholesterol levels of normal or below normal.

- Clinical evidence indicates stress reduction helps lower cholesterol.

- In Norway, a study showed that higher cholesterol levels appear to protect against breast cancer.  

- In the US and worldwide, the incidence of heart disease has increased even though consumption of animal fat (and cholesterol) has decreased. But, in Switzerland, after WWII, heart disease declined as animal fat consuption increased.

-The conventional advice about staying away from saturated fats is not supported by good science. In fact, polyunsaturated fats are not good for us, because they contain omega-6 and are easily oxidised, making them a source of free radicals. Saturated fats are better, partly because they seek to "normalize" cholesterol levels - which means if your level is low the cholesterol could increase, but also that if your level is high the cholesterol could decrease.

- Cholesterol is a "healer" in the body, and essential to many functions, like synthesizing Vitamin D. Cholesterol levels can rise in a person that does not get enough sunlight, suggesting that they are rising to wring the maximum value out of the little vitamin D the person IS getting.     

- Low fat, high carbohydrate, diets are not healthy and are implicated in heart disease. Over time, the carbs create insulin resistance, putting a strain on the pancreas -- the excess insulin can trigger heart-damaging homocysteine.    

The book offers many more details and insights (documented with footnotes), and is causing me to rethink everything I thought I knew about cholesterol.

Post Edited (njmom) : 4/22/2009 7:51:39 AM (GMT-6)


spookyh
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   Posted 4/20/2009 4:42 PM (GMT -7)   
It's like coconut oil. It's a healthy fat that was used widely prior to WWII. Once the war was going on, the US was cut off from its supply of coconut oil. So the US spent money looking for alternatives, and came up with vegetable oils. When the war was over, and coconut oil was available again, the vegetable oil producers had to act fast and demonize saturated fats so that their companies wouldn't go belly up. Of course it was all a big fat lie, as the vegetable oils are terrible for your health.

Google the benefits of coconut oil, and you'll find it does a host of good things. I recently started to eat virgin coconut oil (quite tasty all by itself) in hopes that it will do me some good.
34 years old, Crohn's disease for 15 of them
Current Meds: Humira since 7/08, Pentasa, Effexor XR
Supplements: 3 kinds of Fish Oil, Multi-Vitamin, B-Complex, Vitamins D, E, & K, Calcium, Magnesium, Enzymes
SCD since 12/01/08 - eating Stage 2 foods


EMom
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   Posted 4/20/2009 9:20 PM (GMT -7)   
njmom, thanks for posting all of that! It sounds like a book I would really enjoy! Who is the author?
Mom to 17 year old son diagnosed in June, 2007.
Omega 3s, digestive enzymes, probiotics, vit. C, calcium, vit. D3, a good multivitamin and SCD legal yogurt
Started The Maker's Diet in Sept. '07. Incorporate Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) recipes, too.


CrazyHarry
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   Posted 4/20/2009 10:25 PM (GMT -7)   
fat and cholesterol go hand in hand as both are termed "lipids" by the health community. so when talking about one you cannot talk about the other. the lipid hypothesis made famous in the 1950s by ancel keys and others which became de facto nutrition we were all raised on and the foundation of many diets (that dont work i might add) and perpetuated by the food pyramid is just another demonstration how mainstream nutrition is arse backwards.

use of saturated fats (ie coconut oil, butter, steak, eggs, etc) plummet in the last 50 years while at the same time use of vegetable oils and trans fats exploded. if sat fat (and cholesterol, also a lipid) is so bad and the bane of coronary heart disease and the root of artery plaque then why did CHD sky rocket in this time, its rise mimicking that of the use of vegetable oils? hmmm....perhaps that is the real cause (coupled with the high consumption of refined high glycemic foods of course).

the majority of artery plaque is from vegetable oil (ie mono and polyunsaturated fats) and trans fat NOT saturated fat.

saturated fat is needed for cell walls, in fact it makes up like 50% of cells. mono and poly fats are a poor substitute for sat fat in the cell wall.

whole milk is like 3.5% fat. reduced/low fat milk is 2%. big whoop. fat is needed to absorb fat soluble vitamins A, D, E, and K. no fat, no absorption or utilization of these vitamins. so low/non fat dairy is useless to consume.

your body makes like 80-90% of your cholesterol. by eschewing high cholesterol foods you can lower your blood cholesterol levels by like 10% TOPS if you are lucky.

mono and polyunsaturated fats are high in omega 6 EFA which is used in abundance in the western diet. this causes a massive unbalance to the omega 3 and 6 ratio which is bad. also omega 6, although an EFA, in high doses, like consumed presently in western countries, is actually PRO inflammatory.

antioxidants and vitamin D and niacin and red yeast rice extract (a natural statin) have been shown to reduce blood cholesterol.

sunlight will turn cholesterol deposits in your skin into vitamin D. that is one reason why your body produces cholesterol and why it is necessary.

trans fat increases bad cholesterol and lowers good cholesterol. so skip fried food and commercial baked goods and refined/processed foods as these are where you'll most likely find trans fat.

your brain is 60% fat (so yes, you are a fat head).

eating fat does not make you fat. it is the unused calories that your body turns into fat that makes you fat. in low/non fat products fat is removed. once you remove one of the three macronutrients (fat, protein, carbs), you must replace it with one of the other two. with the removal of fat, it is virtually almost always replaced with carbs cos it is cheaper to add carbs than protein. so you are eating less fat but eating more carbs and these are high glycemic carbs and chances are you're getting more calories too. so you think you are being healthy and losing weight cos you are eating non/low fat but in fact you are making yourself fat by eating these higher carb high glycemic products cos you do not know how the body works cos you are brainwashed by uneducated diet gurus and tv programs and food companies that want you to use their products so they can get rich off of your ignorance. (sorry to be so blunt)

exercise will lower cholesterol.

fat is satiating, helping you eat less with your meal and between meals, thus reducing the urge to snack and eating smaller portions which leads to losing weight. so wow - you can lose fat by eating fat!

no trans fat and zero grams of trans fat are not the same thing. no trans fat means it contains no trans fat. zero trans fat per serving means by law it contains less than 0.5 grams of trans fat per serving. so it still contains trans fat. the trick is knowing how much what you are eating is a serving. and in one sitting no one eats just one serving of something that we know is bad for us cos it tastes just so gosh darn good.

you wont die by not eating carbohydrates. you will get sick and die if you stop eating fat and protein.


i'll give you the pay pal account info shortly so you can pay me for reading all of this as it was a lot.
Crazy Harry

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Crohn's since 1993 (17 yrs old then)
surgery in July '05 - removal of 2 inches at ileum and 8 inches of sigmoid colon (had fistula into bladder)
Nov '05 developed colonic inertia; July '06 told i needed ostomy surgery
began maker's diet in August '06 - now feeling the best ever with no symptoms of colonic inertia and i kept my colon
med free as of 10/31/07


pb4
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   Posted 4/20/2009 10:47 PM (GMT -7)   
LOL, hey, how did you know I have a paypal account????? do you offer *easy pay* (monthly installments) too?? LOL!

I know many people still believe that coconut (including the oil/milk/water, whatever one wishes to call it) is bad for you because somewhere along the lines (reserchers maybe) used to tell people to avoid consuming it in large amounts, then it was finally put to truth that it's actually a "good fat" and streamly healthy...I've also heard regarding avacodos that they are fattening as well and that people should limit how much they eat but again they are still healthy (and it's good fat)...
 

It's true that avocados are high in fat -- one reason they've earned the nickname "butter pear." A medium-sized avocado contains 30 grams of fat, as much as a quarter-pound burger. That's why diet experts have long urged Americans to go easy on avocados in favor of less fatty fruits and vegetables. But now nutritionists are taking another look. They're finding that most of the fat in an avocado is monounsaturated -- the "good" kind that actually lowers cholesterol levels. Thanks to this new understanding, the U.S. government recently revised its official nutrition guidelines to urge Americans to eat more avocados.

High in the Good Fat

The avocado's image first took on some polish with a 1996 study by researchers at the Instituto Mexicano del Seguro Social in Mexico (Archives of Medical Research, Winter 1996) that looked at the health benefits of daily avocado consumption. The 45 volunteers who ate avocados every day for a week experienced an average 17% drop in total blood cholesterol. Their cholesterol ratio also changed in a healthy way: Their levels of LDL (low-density lipoprotein, or "bad fat") and triglycerides, both associated with heart disease, went down. Their HDL (high-density lipoprotein, or "good fat") levels, which tend to lower the risk of heart disease, climbed.

Researchers have also discovered that avocados are rich in beta-sitosterol, a natural substance shown to significantly lower blood cholesterol levels. In a review article published in the December 1999 issue of the American Journal of Medicine, researchers pointed out that beta-sitosterol was shown to reduce cholesterol in 16 human studies.

Everything in Moderation

Sneaking monounsaturated fats into your own daily diet may allow you to enjoy similar health benefits, says Melanie Polk, a registered dietitian and director of nutrition education at the American Institute for Cancer Research in Washington, D.C. Used creatively, she says, avocados can add variety -- and good nutrition -- to your diet. Instead of spreading butter or cream cheese on your bread or bagel, use some mashed avocado instead. Replace that mayo you'd usually put on a sandwich with avocado slices. You'll not only save calories, you'll be cutting out saturated fat and increasing your daily intake of monounsaturated fat as well.

But before you pile avocados onto every dish, remember that when it comes to calories, avocados have lots of them -- because of all that fat. Fat of any type has double the calories of the same amount of carbohydrates, says Polk. "Avocados add great variety to a well balanced, low-fat diet, but you have to eat them in moderation."

A recommended serving size is 2 tablespoons, or roughly one-sixth of a medium-sized avocado. Each serving provides 5 grams of fat and 55 calories. Still, compared with butter or mayonnaise -- which each pack 22 fat grams and 200 calories in a 2-tablespoon serving -- they don't seem so bad.




:)


My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)

Post Edited (pb4) : 4/20/2009 11:55:57 PM (GMT-6)


njmom
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   Posted 4/22/2009 7:07 AM (GMT -7)   

EMom, the book was written by Michael Barbee and published by Vital Health Publishing in 2004. Other chapters cover aspartame. osteoporosis, green tea, bovine growth hormone, fluoridation, eggs, vitamin C, and vegetarianism.

CrazyHarry, thanks for the informative post, most of which was backed up by the book I'm reading.  

Spookyhurst, interesting about coconut oil...it is supposed to be the healthiest fat to use in cooking at high temperatures, because it is the least likely to degrade into harmful substances at high heat.

pb4, since my daughter has eschewed most of the foods prohibited by the SCD diet, avocados have proven to be great at helping her to keep weight on. 

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