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jpnutritionfirst
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   Posted 4/28/2009 2:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Has anyone tried to treat their Crohn's disease (or ulcerative colitis) with the ayurvedic approach. I have spoken to two ayurvedic doctors and they both said that they have had a 98% success rate of curing the disease. I have been prescribed a set of identical herbs from two independent ayurvedic doctors along with a set of three yoga breathing techniques (bhastrika, kapalbhati, anulom vilom). These are the herbs:
moti pisti, shankh bhasm, kapardak bhasm, mukta shukti bhasm, udra amrit vati, bel(bilb) curan(powder), sarv kalp kwath

Please let me know as I have yet to speak to anyone personally that has tried this approach. Does it really work? How long does it take for the cure? Can you really eat whatever you want eventually? Thanks for any replies!

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   Posted 4/28/2009 3:55 PM (GMT -6)   
Maybe you can get remission, but cure is a pretty loaded word here.


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PV
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   Posted 4/28/2009 4:43 PM (GMT -6)   
I am from India, where both homeopathy and ayurveda are practiced. My parents use them in conjunction with traditional western medicine, not in place of it. My mom suffers from arthritis, and my dad is diabetic, and they have both tried ayurveda for their ailments, with no success. It's been my observation (not my experience), based on all my relatives who have tried both homeopathy and ayurveda for various ailments (not crohn's), that it does not "cure" most ailments. Perhaps in some cases, it has helped mildly, but in my observation, I have yet to be impressed with either ayurveda or homeopathy.

They have no studies behind their "98% cure rate" I'm sure. That's just my 2 cents.
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Diagnosed March 2008 Crohn's & C-diff, hospitalized 45 days
Canasa, Lialda, Remicade, VSL#3, Florastor
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Stopped vancomycin for c-diff Jan 1 2009
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LMills
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   Posted 4/28/2009 4:57 PM (GMT -6)   
I think there is something to several of these treatments, but I also think it is in the doctors' best interests to say they've had a 98% success rate, not ours.
I'm hoping more research will be done on natural medicine so that it will have a little bit more authority in diagnosis and treatment, but I still have a lot of faith in the scientific method and its influence on Western medicine.
20 years old, Diagnosed with moderate to severe Crohn's and Colitis in May of 2008.
Currently taking:
Prednisone 10 mg, pentasa 2 pills 4x a day, bentyl as needed, omeprazole in the morning, prenatal multivitamin, humira every other week, and Align probiotics given to me by my GI.
Surgery for ectopic pregnancy most likely the result of severe Crohn's inflammation in July of 2008.
Diet almost completely without refined sugars, wheat, flour, gluten, high lactose dairy, and/or junk food in general.
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chocolate_stains
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   Posted 4/28/2009 7:54 PM (GMT -6)   
have you ever seen how they diagnose some diseases? They slather a person in mud and have them sit in the sun and dry out... kinda an absolute joke

But, echoing LMills, more research would be great.

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   Posted 4/29/2009 12:47 AM (GMT -6)   
PV said...
I am from India, where both homeopathy and ayurveda are practiced. My parents use them in conjunction with traditional western medicine, not in place of it. My mom suffers from arthritis, and my dad is diabetic, and they have both tried ayurveda for their ailments, with no success. It's been my observation (not my experience), based on all my relatives who have tried both homeopathy and ayurveda for various ailments (not crohn's), that it does not "cure" most ailments. Perhaps in some cases, it has helped mildly, but in my observation, I have yet to be impressed with either ayurveda or homeopathy.

They have no studies behind their "98% cure rate" I'm sure. That's just my 2 cents.

Hi PV
 
Has your mother ever tried Sallaki - Boswellia for arthritis. This ayurvedic preparation has been tried and tested for years. Infact, one of my pharmacist friend from Germany is importing this from India and recommending/marketing in Germany for arthritis. They say it is quite effective.
 
Even for Ulcerative Colitis, lot of scientific research was carried out by Germans in conjunction with Government of India, Jammu & Kashmir, and the same was found to be useful to bring in remission in 80 per cent of the patients.
 
May be it depends upon one's body system. My nephew had a corn under his feet. It could not be cured for over one year with all allopathy medicine, and can you believe, it just vanished with three doses of homeopathy.
 
When one is sick, he tends to try every option. I had tried homeopathy for fistulas, but found it to be too cumbersome because of time/diet restrictions.
 
Lots of alternate medicines being adminsitered these days are adulterated and steroids are mixed to prove their efficacy and cheat the innocent patients.
 
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karendee
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   Posted 4/29/2009 7:29 AM (GMT -6)   

I am all for trying different treatments. I am not going to stop my western medicine treatments though. I don't think I can be cured.

I started acupuncture and homeopathy. I don't see any CD relief but I do see it for my Fibro. I am like a new person since my treatment on Monday. it was amazing!

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rahul
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   Posted 7/8/2009 6:01 AM (GMT -6)   
I was diagnosed with UC a year back. Colonoscopy revealed a 21 cm area affected. Biopsy revealed chronic acute colitis. I was going to the loo 7-9 times a day, bloody stools, mucus...nasty stuff.
I went for ayurvdic treatement. not because i am a fan of it, but because it makes sense. Almost all allopathy forums i visited, most folks had a flare up after a remission and it went on, untill they went on steroids based meds or a removal of their colon. for UC (i dont know about crohns, but in ayurveda they are both same, except one is genetic and takes years to fix) the root of the problem is stomach/intestinal abuse by taking improper foods for years. i had done so by falling for the high protein diet propaganda. i did that for 4 years and during the 4th realised what i had done to my internal systems. ur colitis will never be 'cured' if you dont kill out the root cause of the disease - food intakes that aggrevates your ulcerated colon and those weak intestines.
first thing i went in for a basti(vasti/enema). this is part of panchkarma. but you must approach a knowledgable and experienced panchkarma vaidya (doctor), cuz basti has IMMEDIATE effects on your disease (in my case UC). after 2 months of basti, i was down to no bleeding and 1 or 2 time visit to the loo per day. i have been told that ppl that had severe colitis might need months of basti. a basti course is 7-14 days long. they take a months break between basti courses. for colitis basti is basically a mixutre of freshly prepared ghee and some oils. good stuff for your ulcerated colon.
i was on very strict diet for almost 8 months, took ayruvedic (herbal) medicines + some allopathy medicines, did pranayama (bhastrika, anulom-vilom, NOT kapalbhati). so after a year i think myself as cured cuz i keep a tap on my diet. although now my diet is not as strict as it was in the early days, but i still avoid the usual culprits - spicy foods and wheat. in moderation - salty foods, heavy lentils like urad and toor, beans, peas, dry fruits, garlic, ginger, oils and milk and milk products, leafy veggies (if ur UC is diarrhea oriented and not constipation oriented). eat mung lentils, rice, Sorghum (jowar), buttermilk, corn(maize), veggies, fruits and spices your ayurvedic doc recommends.

also, i hope allopathic, ayurvedic, naturopahty, whatever doctors worked for the well being for their patients, rather than being fanboys of their philosophy. i never told my ayurvedic doc the meds i was taking and vice versa. this is dangerous. i dont recommend you do this, unless you had stubborn docs like i had. tongue
the goal is to rid patient of the disease, and not make him/her an experiement that your line of medicine works and feel smug about it mad

UC is a tough disease to deal with, but if you can keep a tap on your diet for lifetime you will overcome.

HTH.

EDIT: In general, papaya, pomgrenate and apples are very good for UC. So is Shatavari and bael. this is common medicine for UC in ayurveda.

Post Edited (rahul) : 7/8/2009 10:59:18 AM (GMT-6)


janicea
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   Posted 7/8/2009 7:29 AM (GMT -6)   
I take boswellia serrata in place of the 5ASA's. It's ayruvedic and works great in place of pentasa. salai guggul.
strictures, crohn's, adhesions, endo. Pyoderma Gangrenosum.
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Jen_J
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   Posted 7/8/2009 1:23 PM (GMT -6)   
my friend with UC is indian and tried ayurveda before her colectomy. she says for corns on the feet, dandruff, pimples, i can see it working.  for ulcerative colitis and crohn's disease - be careful.  many of the vedic's will guarantee a cure.  she religiously took ayurvedic medicines from one of the most famous ayurvedic doctors in the world and never got better.  followup care was bad too.  she also followed a strict diet. they claim to have cured thousands....doesn't make sense. it would be international news if this many people were cured.  Remission? possibly.  cure? highly unlikely. if you do decide to go this route, find someone reputable. many of them make their living this way....without any education.  even many indians have stopped believing in it so much, especially for serious diseases that need medical attention.  another thing she says is they do not have certain diagnostic equipment.  so you won't know if you need to be in a hospital sooner than later.  so continue seeing your regular doctor.

Post Edited (Jen_J) : 7/8/2009 1:26:35 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 7/8/2009 4:51 PM (GMT -6)   
I've never heard of it, but give it a try and see what happens. If your mind believes your feeling better than your body will feel better. I'm not sure that it is a cure for Crohns, for that you need to try the magic crackers.
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rahul
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   Posted 7/17/2009 11:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Pambi said...
HI Rahul,

When I was browsing for crohn's community in India I happened to see your post. I feel that this stuff really helps me out from my problem. Currently I am in US and I have been diagnosed with this crohn's 15 days ago. I have been browsing alot for Indian foods that I can take. Your post helped me a bit with that. Could you please give me the details about your doc so that I can make an appointment when I come to India (if he is in chennai or Hyd..). Looks like Im getting some hope..Thank you.



Pambi,

I am in Baroda, Gujarat. But I am pretty sure you can find some good doctors in Chennai too. Getting IBD under control can be a long process under ayurveda, so getting treatement close to home is essential.

A few pit-falls to avoid (from my UC):

Ayurveda treatement, which inclused panchkarma, takes a really long time to get your disease under control. It took 2-3 months with panchkarma to get a tap on my UC. Dont go for 'ayurveda only' treatement. I did see a GI doctor and took allopathy drugs so I can get some short-term relief. I was taking mezacol tablets, zantac/rantacs,multi-vitamins and one more tablet whose name i dont recall. Point being, treat the symptoms of your disease with ayurvedic AND allopathic medicines, and the root cause of your disease with diet change according to 'doashas'.

you will constantly find ayurvedic docs complaining about side effects of allopathic drugs and modern medicine docs laughing at you if you mention ayurveda. its an extremely sad situation. why shouldn't a suffering patient take allopahtic drugs and why cant a patient modify his/her diet so the diseases doesn't keep on occuring. its hard to find a doc that cares about the patient's health, rather just philosophy fanboys (like the ramdev/patanjali types, or the modern medecine one's that laugh that food and herbs can cure a disease).

wish u good luck mate.
-rahul

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   Posted 7/18/2009 5:40 AM (GMT -6)   
Rahul PV Pambi PSA.Delhi...Indian with Crohn's

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I did not find any relief with Ayurveda.

Turmeric helps.
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Pambi
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   Posted 7/18/2009 5:49 PM (GMT -6)   
rahul said...
Pambi said...
HI Rahul,

When I was browsing for crohn's community in India I happened to see your post. I feel that this stuff really helps me out from my problem. Currently I am in US and I have been diagnosed with this crohn's 15 days ago. I have been browsing alot for Indian foods that I can take. Your post helped me a bit with that. Could you please give me the details about your doc so that I can make an appointment when I come to India (if he is in chennai or Hyd..). Looks like Im getting some hope..Thank you.



Pambi,

I am in Baroda, Gujarat. But I am pretty sure you can find some good doctors in Chennai too. Getting IBD under control can be a long process under ayurveda, so getting treatement close to home is essential.

A few pit-falls to avoid (from my UC):

Ayurveda treatement, which inclused panchkarma, takes a really long time to get your disease under control. It took 2-3 months with panchkarma to get a tap on my UC. Dont go for 'ayurveda only' treatement. I did see a GI doctor and took allopathy drugs so I can get some short-term relief. I was taking mezacol tablets, zantac/rantacs,multi-vitamins and one more tablet whose name i dont recall. Point being, treat the symptoms of your disease with ayurvedic AND allopathic medicines, and the root cause of your disease with diet change according to 'doashas'.

you will constantly find ayurvedic docs complaining about side effects of allopathic drugs and modern medicine docs laughing at you if you mention ayurveda. its an extremely sad situation. why shouldn't a suffering patient take allopahtic drugs and why cant a patient modify his/her diet so the diseases doesn't keep on occuring. its hard to find a doc that cares about the patient's health, rather just philosophy fanboys (like the ramdev/patanjali types, or the modern medecine one's that laugh that food and herbs can cure a disease).

wish u good luck mate.
-rahul


Hi Rahul,

Thank you so much for your quick reply. That really helps me alot. Currently I am on Asacol for my crohn's. So u said for crohn's also there is treatment in Ayurveda right? So I will search for ayurveda docs near by my place.
Really ....I dont know I almost avoided all kinds of foods I am losing my weight and getting tired feeling hungry always.
Though I m losing weight, my belly fat has accumulated allot. My GE said no food restrictions. She didnt suggest me any foods. I dont know why belly fat has accumalated this much I even work out 4 times a week. I am really afraid of the side effects of this asacol....Dont know wat to do...

rahul
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   Posted 7/18/2009 8:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Pambi said...


Hi Rahul,

Thank you so much for your quick reply. That really helps me alot. Currently I am on Asacol for my crohn's. So u said for crohn's also there is treatment in Ayurveda right? So I will search for ayurveda docs near by my place.
Really ....I dont know I almost avoided all kinds of foods I am losing my weight and getting tired feeling hungry always.
Though I m losing weight, my belly fat has accumulated allot. My GE said no food restrictions. She didnt suggest me any foods. I dont know why belly fat has accumalated this much I even work out 4 times a week. I am really afraid of the side effects of this asacol....Dont know wat to do...


i dont know if there is a cure for crohn's. i have UC. and i manage to keep it in control only by eating foods that wouldn't aggrevate it. simple. and thats for lifetime. so if you want to call that a cure, then yeah. having said that, i rather stay free of UC by finding out the right diet for me than be free of it by being on constant medication.

from what little i know, crohn's has a genetic side to it. so its harder to treat. u should consult un-biased doctors. but they are hard to find, IMHO. the ayurvedic ppl will tell u they got cure, and modern medicine folks will tell u they are the only way to go. its upto u to do research and find out what works and what doesnt.

modern medicine doctors cant tell you what to eat or not. cuz eating and its effects are an area of ayurveda.

when u say belly fat has accumulated, is this after u started taking asacol or was this fat there before the drug started?
Diagnosed with UC (Procotosigmoiditis), area of 21 cms - Aug 2008.
Biopsy result: Acute chronic colitis.
Since March 2009 under remission. Not on any allopathy medications except a few herbal medicines. Strict diet control.
Ayurvedic treatment: basti/enema of medicated ghee+oils for 40 days scheduled over a spread of 4 months.
Herbal meds: Shatavari, Bael, Kutaj (Holarrhena Antidysenterica) and other doctor specified churans (powders).
Allopathy medicines for 2 months: Mesacol (Generic Mesalamine) (750mg) 3 tablets thrice a day, B-12 and BecasuleZ(multi-vitamin), Rantac(Zantac) thrice a day.

Post Edited (rahul) : 7/19/2009 5:16:16 AM (GMT-6)


rahul
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   Posted 7/19/2009 5:34 AM (GMT -6)   
cdinhyd said...
Rahul PV Pambi PSA.Delhi...Indian with Crohn's

Please join Crohn's Disease In India group on facebook

(do not know whether this is against forum rules)


I did not find any relief with Ayurveda.

Turmeric helps.


have u tried panchkarama? i dont know if its helpful for crohn's but for ulcerative colitis it healed my ulcerated colon. after the panchkarma treatment all i had to follow a strict diet, which I continue to adhire by religiously.
Diagnosed with UC (Procotosigmoiditis), area of 21 cms - Aug 2008.
Biopsy result: Acute chronic colitis.
Since March 2009 under remission. Not on any allopathy medications except a few herbal medicines. Strict diet control.
Ayurvedic treatment: basti/enema of medicated ghee+oils for 40 days scheduled over a spread of 4 months.
Herbal meds: Shatavari, Bael, Kutaj (Holarrhena Antidysenterica) and other doctor specified churans (powders).
Allopathy medicines for 2 months: Mesacol (Generic Mesalamine) (750mg) 3 tablets thrice a day, B-12 and BecasuleZ(multi-vitamin), Rantac(Zantac) thrice a day.


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   Posted 8/10/2009 9:50 AM (GMT -6)   
Hi Rahul,

I am in USA and suffer from UC. I am in touch with an Indian ayurvedic practitioner who mentioned that I should do basti/enema in the following way: Boil water with licorice and ghee. Filter the contents to obtain a smooth liquid and administer this as enema.

You mentioned that your basti consisted of ghee + oils. I wanted to know more about this basti as in the US, ayurveda is not well-known. Can you please provide details on contents of this basti?

Since I have to do these enemas myself, I am a bit cautious and leaning on not doing these enemas and instead taking the churans only.

Thanks
Dinesh

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   Posted 8/10/2009 10:06 AM (GMT -6)   
Licorice enemas? Oh yes, and rhinoceros horn is an aphrodisiac. Methinks the power of suggestion is at work in much of this "alternative medicine." For me, I will avoid shaking gourds at midnight and baying at the moon. Sorry, don;t mean to be so dismissive, but whenever I see the word "cure" associated with a new proposed treatment the second word that instantly comes to mind is "scam."

rahul
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   Posted 8/10/2009 10:32 AM (GMT -6)   
dinesh said...
Hi Rahul,

I am in USA and suffer from UC. I am in touch with an Indian ayurvedic practitioner who mentioned that I should do basti/enema in the following way: Boil water with licorice and ghee. Filter the contents to obtain a smooth liquid and administer this as enema.

You mentioned that your basti consisted of ghee + oils. I wanted to know more about this basti as in the US, ayurveda is not well-known. Can you please provide details on contents of this basti?

Since I have to do these enemas myself, I am a bit cautious and leaning on not doing these enemas and instead taking the churans only.

Thanks
Dinesh


Hi Dinesh,

I dont know the details about the medicines added to the enemas. Sorry. Also these herbs are added according to severity of your dosha imbalance. Let me tell you, Ayurvedic medecines have bad side effects too if diagnosed incorrectly. Dont fall for the "no side effect" crap.

Let me tell you, churans alone wont work. All they do is help you digest food properly. But what about the ulcers in your colon. How will they heal. Either take ayurvedic/allopathy enemas (fastest way to heal ulcers) or take some allopathy tablets(like asacol) to heal the ulcers. You can stop taking allopathy meds once the ulcers heal (confirmed via a colonscopy) and continue with your ayurvedic diet and ayurvedic meds. Thats what I did.

NEver have blind faith in anything. Be it ayurvedic, allopathy or homeopathy medicines. Everyone will tell you that their line of medicines is the best, but when someone who doesnt get cured questions it, its the patients fault. My personal experience, take allopathy meds to bring your UC in remission (since you are not in india), and continue with you ayurvedic diet and meds.

Good luck!
Diagnosed with UC (Procotosigmoiditis), area of 21 cms - Aug 2008.
Biopsy result: Acute chronic colitis.
Since March 2009 under remission. Not on any allopathy medications except a few herbal medicines. Strict diet control.
Ayurvedic treatment: basti/enema of medicated ghee+oils for 40 days scheduled over a spread of 4 months.
Herbal meds: Shatavari, Bael, Kutaj (Holarrhena Antidysenterica) and other doctor specified churans (powders).
Allopathy medicines for 2 months: Mesacol (Generic Mesalamine) (750mg) 3 tablets thrice a day, B-12 and BecasuleZ(multi-vitamin), Rantac(Zantac) thrice a day.


rahul
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   Posted 8/10/2009 10:55 AM (GMT -6)   
MikeB said...
Licorice enemas? Oh yes, and rhinoceros horn is an aphrodisiac. Methinks the power of suggestion is at work in much of this "alternative medicine." For me, I will avoid shaking gourds at midnight and baying at the moon. Sorry, don;t mean to be so dismissive, but whenever I see the word "cure" associated with a new proposed treatment the second word that instantly comes to mind is "scam."


You are right.

Number of people falling for false alternative medicines propaganda is unbelievable. They think by taking some herbal pill their conditions will be miraculously cured or reversed.

The same logic applies to a lot of modern medicines too. People think doctors have pills that will cure them of anything. And, unfortunately, most ads in the west are run with such underlying message too. Your liver hurts, take Livazol. Your kidneys burn, take Kickneys. Conditions are never cured by medicines. They occur again and you have to take higher dosage meds. Dont get me wrong. These modern medicines are wonderful. Most of them give better relief than all alternate medicines combined. But just like them, they cannot cure a disease. For that diet change is a must. The root cause of most diseases (except some viral and bacterial infections) is diet. Change diet + take modern medicnes = fastest way to heal up. Unfortunately the effects of diet on different body types has been most studied by ayurveda (alternate medicine). So until modern science catches up, for me, diet is totally governed by ayurveda principles :)
Diagnosed with UC (Procotosigmoiditis), area of 21 cms - Aug 2008.
Biopsy result: Acute chronic colitis.
Since March 2009 under remission. Not on any allopathy medications except a few herbal medicines. Strict diet control.
Ayurvedic treatment: basti/enema of medicated ghee+oils for 40 days scheduled over a spread of 4 months.
Herbal meds: Shatavari, Bael, Kutaj (Holarrhena Antidysenterica) and other doctor specified churans (powders).
Allopathy medicines for 2 months: Mesacol (Generic Mesalamine) (750mg) 3 tablets thrice a day, B-12 and BecasuleZ(multi-vitamin), Rantac(Zantac) thrice a day.


MMMNAVY
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   Posted 8/10/2009 1:27 PM (GMT -6)   
UC discussions belong on the UC board.
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   Posted 3/14/2010 1:51 AM (GMT -6)   
Anyone else who went thru these basti (enema) course?
My wife completed 12 sessions, things have improved, but not fully under control.
She still bleeds, but quantity of blood has reduced, but today she passed comparatively more blood than what she has been passing since starting on ayurveda.
So not sure what's going on....

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   Posted 3/14/2010 3:17 AM (GMT -6)   
people... while I can not be sure about ayurvedic medicine, homeopathy is pure quckery

read this please

http://www.quackwatch.org/01QuackeryRelatedTopics/homeo.html

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Escalador, you and many others state that "homeopathy is pure quckery" which I find frustrating.
I certainly to not believe that it is a cure for any disease/illness etc but I have seen it be used to alleviate symptoms of a disease. It still does not make me a total believer because logic tells me that there are all these reports that state it is rubbish and doesn't work, it is also probably due to a fact that I have a mother in law that rams it down my throat at every opportunity.
I read your link and it refers (as these reports always do) to how homeopathy treats like with like in extremely diluted forms to prompt a reaction and this idea is rubbished yet quite often recently there have been reports about how people with extreme allergies to nuts (for example) are being exposed to extremely minute quantities in order for them to build up a resistance and 'medically/scientifically' it has been proven to work. As stated before here. my father in law suffered with Parkinson's Disease, through homeopathic treatment (by MiL) his symptoms disappeared I am under no illusion that she 'cured' him (when he passed away post mortem confirmed parkinson's) but she did make his symptoms go away.
Despite this I still am not a total advocate for homeopathy but equally I have got to believe that there is something in it becasue I have seen the results on someone using it. I wouldn't go off and spend large amounts of money on it and ditch conventional medicine BUT a lot of these things can be purchased relatively cheaply through health food shops and if it gives a person even a slight improvement surely that is a good thing.

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   Posted 3/14/2010 4:57 AM (GMT -6)   
"extremely minute quantities" .... yes ... but in homeopatic supstances there are no quantities ... its just water

to quote the article:

"A 30X dilution means that the original substance has been diluted 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 times. Assuming that a cubic centimeter of water contains 15 drops, this number is greater than the number of drops of water that would fill a container more than 50 times the size of the Earth. Imagine placing a drop of red dye into such a container so that it disperses evenly. Homeopathy's "law of infinitesimals" is the equivalent of saying that any drop of water subsequently removed from that container will possess an essence of redness. Robert L. Park, Ph.D., a prominent physicist who is executive director of The American Physical Society, has noted that since the least amount of a substance in a solution is one molecule, a 30C solution would have to have at least one molecule of the original substance dissolved in a minimum of 1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 molecules of water. This would require a container more than 30,000,000,000 times the size of the Earth."

so.. there is no active supstance in it.. its just water

Homeopaths avoid this issue by stating that water has memory which was once "proven" by a French immunologist Jacques Benveniste. The problem is that the proof was a fake one and that he, and ANYONE has never been able to repeat his findings since then, so its a false premise ...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Water_memory

another thing is, even if water had memory (which it doesnt), how could it know what to memorize? it's full of other molecules, even before the homeopaths purify it....

take a look at this video ;) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jYqQ_n2vOOI

quack quack quack :)))

Post Edited (Escalador) : 3/14/2010 5:26:10 AM (GMT-6)

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