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mkl11
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   Posted 5/22/2009 11:22 PM (GMT -7)   
From what I've heard a white, coated tongue is related to yeast overgrowth and possibly issues in the GI tract, so I'm guessing I'm not the only one here who has dealt with it.

It just popped up this morning and the taste in my mouth is awful...any ways I can remedy this?
20 y/o, diagnosed 6/2007. On Humira, no wheat or corn syrup, low sugar, low dairy.


ivy6
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   Posted 5/23/2009 12:44 AM (GMT -7)   
Salt water gargles might help.

These treatments are available by prescription: Fungilin lozenges. Nilstat. Diflucan.

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ivy6
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   Posted 5/23/2009 12:45 AM (GMT -7)   
ps. if it persists, you might benefit from a change in medication. one of your current meds could be causing this problem.
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moedon1
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   Posted 5/23/2009 6:02 AM (GMT -7)   
I have had chronic thrush for 4 years. I use nystatin when it gets bad. It's prescription liquid that you swish and spit or swish and swallow but remember to follow the directions around when to do it. I find that it really helps just before bed and at least a half hour before or after meals. I have also had goos results wiht Aloe Juice. Tastes terrible but it is good for oral hygiene. It was a godsend when I had a tooth removed.
Donna
 Formal diagnosis 3/2006, IBS 1992, Degenerative Arthritis Facet block and RFA, Seizure Disorder, Severe Carpal Tunnel both hands, SVT arrythmia, 2004 cardiac Ablation
Cushings Syndrome(thanks Prednisone), Asthma, Multiple Laps for ovarian adhesion to bowel, C/5 & 6 disc herniation - plate with screws, resistant to anethesia/most pain meds.  Chronic fungal infections.
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LMills
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   Posted 5/23/2009 7:51 AM (GMT -7)   
Sounds like thrush to me. I got that twice I believe, and I always got rid of it with a round of diflucan prescribed by my doctor.
20 years old, Diagnosed with moderate to severe Crohn's and Colitis in May of 2008.
Currently taking:
Prednisone 10 mg, pentasa 2 pills 4x a day, bentyl as needed, omeprazole in the morning, prenatal multivitamin, humira every other week, and Align probiotics given to me by my GI.
Surgery for ectopic pregnancy most likely the result of severe Crohn's inflammation in July of 2008.
Diet almost completely without refined sugars, wheat, flour, gluten, high lactose dairy, and/or junk food in general.
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janicea
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   Posted 5/23/2009 8:19 AM (GMT -7)   
I've been dealing with the same situation the past few weeks. The sad part is your intestines probably look just like your mouth, so it's worth taking it seriously.

Here is what I was doing/did and am doing now:

Quit xifaxan. Went on ketaconazole (an antifungal rx) for 10 days. Cut my carbs and sugars to almost zilch.
Believe it or not, at the end of the drug, the problem was still there.

Started Olive leaf extract. Overnight my mough was better. Kept the carbs and sugars low. (the past 5 days)

During this time (14 days) I also borrowed a yogurt maker and started making my own 24 hour yogurt. It was super fun and give me about 100x the probiotics I could buy in one cup.

I am much better. I am styin gon the olive leaf extract because i was totally blown away by how well it worked. I'm sitting on an rx for diflucan in case I need it, but my sense is the olive leaf extract (I used a liquid) is as or more efficient.

I'm sure also the SCD'er will weigh in here, if you can tolerate the diet, that would be very good too. Alas, I cannot, but I can control my sugars and carbs.

Here is a hug!! We're in the same boat. :) I'm a lot better though so just hang in there.
strictures, crohn's, adhesions, endo
just started on LDN, allergic to pentasa and 5ASA's. I'm taking Boswellia Serrata (works!) Just came off Xifaxan. Making 24 hour yogurt (FUN!)

Post Edited (janicea) : 5/23/2009 9:23:08 AM (GMT-6)


janicea
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   Posted 5/23/2009 8:22 AM (GMT -7)   
OH and another thing that helps is 3-4 drops tea tree oil in a big glass of water. Rinse your mouth with it and spit it out several times a day. no swallowing.

I've had your problem about 10x. I'm now focussed on eradication of the candida/thrush everywhere -- you may not be ready for that, but the tea tree and the olive leaf extract liquid will TOTALLY fix your mouth.

No matter where you are on your diet, cutting down or out unneeded sugar will help also.
best,
-janice
strictures, crohn's, adhesions, endo
just started on LDN, allergic to pentasa and 5ASA's. I'm taking Boswellia Serrata (works!) Just came off Xifaxan. Making 24 hour yogurt (FUN!)


BeeSting
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   Posted 5/23/2009 3:36 PM (GMT -7)   
Thank you janicea, learned a lot by reading your post. Have read that the best olive leaf extract is East Park. LDN will work even better when there is no fungus left. Have used LDN for two years now and I am still feeling terrific!
 

janicea
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   Posted 5/23/2009 5:27 PM (GMT -7)   
<big smile> I actually found an olive leaf extract at my local healthfood store that was a liquid. I think that it's why it really helped my mouth so fast, so maybe try to find that?? or pick up a small bottle of tincture.... as well as East Park (if that's pills).
the one I am using is specifically this one:
http://www.barleans.com/olive_leaf.asp
it was in the fridge section of my store.

LDN!! so excited!! I'm switching to the skin creme just to be cautious. 9 days and I'm feeling a difference. yay!! thank you for sharing your success!!
strictures, crohn's, adhesions, endo. fighting PD. ridding myself of candida.
just started on LDN ~ allergic to pentasa and 5ASA's. I'm taking Boswellia Serrata (works!) Just came off Xifaxan. Making 24 hour yogurt (FUN!) Using Olive leaf liquid extract for candida, and using cromolyn sodium on PD.


heatmiser
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   Posted 5/23/2009 7:06 PM (GMT -7)   
I normally have a coating but it's not thrush. I just regularly use one of those tongue scrapers. I've noticed it goes away when I'm on antibiotics though.

LMills
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   Posted 5/23/2009 7:47 PM (GMT -7)   
That's odd....I didn't get mine until I was on antibiotics. It's amazing how differently they can affect people.
20 years old, Diagnosed with moderate to severe Crohn's and Colitis in May of 2008.
Currently taking:
Prednisone 10 mg, pentasa 2 pills 4x a day, bentyl as needed, omeprazole in the morning, prenatal multivitamin, humira every other week, and Align probiotics given to me by my GI.
Surgery for ectopic pregnancy most likely the result of severe Crohn's inflammation in July of 2008.
Diet almost completely without refined sugars, wheat, flour, gluten, high lactose dairy, and/or junk food in general.
Learning how to live again.
"He who has a why to live for can bear with almost any how."


pb4
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   Posted 5/24/2009 3:58 PM (GMT -7)   
I've thankfully never hadit but it can be quite common from using flagyl and such...anyways the best thing to do of course if get it treated and taking a good probiotic daily and indefinitely can keep it at bay.

:)
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FallColors
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   Posted 5/24/2009 4:15 PM (GMT -7)   
From the Mayo Clinic website.

White tongue --
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/white-tongue/AN01696

Yellow tongue and links to other tongue colors --
http://www.mayoclinic.com/health/yellow-tongue/AN01767

If you are congested, you may be mouth-breathing at night.  That can give you white tongue and bad breath.

Let us know what it turns out to be!


Diagnosed with Crohn's in early 2007.  Several peri-rectal abscesses and two fistulae with setons.  Allergic to Remicade and Humira.  Currently on 6MP, and vitamins D and B-12.

Post Edited (FallColors) : 5/24/2009 5:18:31 PM (GMT-6)


njmom
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   Posted 5/26/2009 8:07 AM (GMT -7)   

Like others have said, cutting down on sugar is good because thrush - that coating on your tongue - is caused by yeast, which loves sugar.

The reason people get thrush when on antibiotics like Flagyl is because the antibiotics hit not only the bad bacteria, but also the good bacteria. Flagyl causes the ratio of bacteria to yeast to go down which can cause an imbalance, since both yeast and bacteria must coexist in balance in your intestines.

So...this means that you might benefit from homemade yogurt, which is far more powerful than store bought. Also, to replenish good bacteria you can take any number of probiotics. For instance, Solgar's advanced 40+ acidophilus.

Cutting down on sugar and probiotics will help Nystatin do its work. But don't take Nystatin for more than a couple of weeks, because, as I recall, Nystatin interferes with the absorption of many nutrients. Diflucan is a very strong, very effective antifungal med but Nystatin is far safer.


txmark
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   Posted 5/26/2009 10:08 AM (GMT -7)   
It sounds really simple but worked for me.  I got "white tongue" and the aweful taste while on flaygl........I got one of those electric toothbrushes (cheap throw-away version) and brushed my tongue for 2-3 mins a night.  Drastic improvement after 2 days and almost got rid of it completely after a week.
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