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FitzyK23
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   Posted 6/29/2009 8:47 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey all - just popping in for a moment -  my local crohns walk was on Saturday and there was a girl walking with a sign on her back that said "8 year remission, ask me how."  I of course did.  She has UC and in high school her guidance counselor convinced her to start taking antioxident supplements.  She said after a week she was in remission and has been taking them along w/ a 5 ASA ever since.  She said she doesn't come on the online boards b/c she is considered a spammer for her non-traditional ways.  I asked her where she gets them and she said a company that she now sells for.  Of course I got a little skeptical.  But, she was very unobtrusive.  She wasn't going around trying to sell them.  She would talk to anyone who asked and never offered to sell anything until people said "where do you get them."  I didn't get her info because I am happy w/ my routine right now.  I am just curious if anyone has done high antioxident supplements and what their result was.
27 Year old married female law student (last year!!). Diagnosed w/ CD 4 years ago, IBS for over 10 years before that, which was probably the CD. I am sort of lactose intollerant too but can handle anything cultured and do well w/ lactose pills and lactaid. For crohns I am currently on Pentasa 4 pills/4x day and hysociamine prn. I also have bad acid reflux and have been on PPI's since age 13. I have been through prilosec, prevacid, and nexium. Currently I am on Protonix in the morning and Zantac at night.  I take xanax prn for situational anxiety (aka no easy bathroom access). 


CrazyHarry
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   Posted 6/29/2009 9:37 PM (GMT -7)   
a lot of vitamins double as antioxidants. your basics are A, C and E. selenium is also something you see in most antioxidant formulas. co-enzyme Q10 (Co-Q10) is now a newer one being touted.

the problem with antioxidant supplements is that most just give you the ones i just listed. and most are synthetic. the body does not like synthetics. there are 8 forms of vitamin E. most supplements only give you 1 of the 8. of that 1, there are like 5 synthetic versions of it. manufacturers only need to include a very little of naturally occurring vitamin E to call the entire vitamin E formula "all natural". so it is very misleading. you do need to become a little bit of a biochemist when it comes to vitamins and such. for starters, anything with a "d" in front of it is natural. "dl" denotes synthetic.

most people are deficient in antioxidants cos they dont eat enough fruits and veggies which is were you'll get them (for the most part). we eat too much processed foods and just junk. most people do not get the recommended 5-7 servings per day of fruits and veggies. most are 2 or less. seriously. keep a food journal for a week and i believe that most of you will fall into this (i know, i know, with this disease it is much harder to do with the fiber - i was there once too for over a decade). increasing your consumption of fruits and veggies will help cos you'll be getting all the phytonutrients, phytochemicals, flavonoids, bioflavonoids etc etc which are all subclasses of antioxidants. i strongly encourage one to get these from fresh food, not store bought juice or a supplement (ie pill). the lab cannot replace mother nature. plus you lose all the synergistic stuff along the way that a lab cannot reproduce cos the science has not caught up to it yet - we just know the "big" players like the vitamins, not the little things that make it all work. there are thousands of antioxidants. carotenoids, something carrots are known for, have thousands of sub classes and new ones are always being discovered. i hope you are starting to see the picture.

antioxidants are very powerful anti-inflammatories. they fight free radicals. free radicals do a lot of bad things to our bodies, but your body does need some so they are not 100% evil as some in the health community would like you to believe just to scare you into buying their product.

there is also a new antioxidant source too - gogi (wolf) berry, noni berry, mangosteen, acai berry, etc etc. there is truth to all of them, the problem is that you get them in a manufactured form - they must be farmed, picked, shipped, processed, shipped again who knows how many times before it gets to you, sit on a shelf, and then you buy it. if not in the processing of the fruit then definitely in the shipping it loses a lot of potency. so you have to do a lot of research on these products to make sure you are not throwing your money away.

so can antioxidants help one with crohn's? yes, i think so, but i also believe they would help everyone cos we as a society eat a very poor diet. can it put you in remission? perhaps, but i'd lean towards no. imho, it is a complimentary thing. it falls under diet. i dont see it replacing meds, like prednisone, or helping some one who has not responded to all different types of treatment suddenly go into remission. but like anything, if it works for you then continue to do it. and of course, what works for some will not for others. and also, if it aint surgery, what have you got to lose? like i said, i see it as a complimentary thing, like a good probiotic, multivitamin, digestive enzyme, omega 3 supplement, vitamin D supplement, etc etc.

i believe i know which antioxidant supplement she is talking about. shoot me an email to my personal email and i can discuss it with you there as it will get censored on this board. if it is the one i think it is, i have researched it and used it and i can give you a ton more than 2 cents worth.
Crazy Harry

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Crohn's since 1993 (17 yrs old then)
surgery in July '05 - removal of 2 inches at ileum and 8 inches of sigmoid colon (had fistula into bladder)
Nov '05 developed colonic inertia; July '06 told i needed ostomy surgery
began maker's diet in August '06 - now feeling the best ever with no symptoms of colonic inertia and i kept my colon
med free as of 10/31/07


Keeper
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   Posted 6/29/2009 9:50 PM (GMT -7)   
One antioxidant that should help symptoms is vitamin E. It has been shown to reduce the production of Immunoglobulin E - the immune trigger that sensitizes the mast cells which are the common cause of many inflammatory responses. It seems that vitamin C will regenerate spent vitamin E in the body. This may also apply to other antioxidants as well, so that may be part of their benefit - they may maintain a reservoir of fresh vitamin E and thereby reduce inflammation. There is also a lot of damage done by inflammation that is minimized by antioxidants, but that is just putting out the fire, not preventing it.

J-
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   Posted 6/30/2009 8:42 AM (GMT -7)   
CrazyHarry said...
there is also a new antioxidant source too - goji (wolf) berry, noni berry, mangosteen, acai berry, etc etc. there is truth to all of them, the problem is that you get them in a manufactured form - they must be farmed, picked, shipped, processed, shipped again who knows how many times before it gets to you, sit on a shelf, and then you buy it. if not in the processing of the fruit then definitely in the shipping it loses a lot of potency. so you have to do a lot of research on these products to make sure you are not throwing your money away.


The best I found out there is genesis today there 100% pure at least. still the real deal would be the best but heck when was the last time time you went shopping and saw a bin of mangosteen. lol
diagnosed with crohn's 6-15-09 at age 23.

meds:
asacol: 400mg. 3 3X a day
prednisone: 10mg. 3 in the morning

supplements:
multivitamin, cal/mag, probiotic, digestive enzymes, rice protein. looking into l-glutamine next


Reef08
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   Posted 6/30/2009 9:39 AM (GMT -7)   
I have a good idea about which product it is, but I'm not sure if the mods will let me post the name.  It sounds too good to be true, but I might just bite the bullet and give it a shot.  Not much else to lose at this point.

FitzyK23
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   Posted 6/30/2009 10:27 AM (GMT -7)   
Reef - if you are not selling it I think you can name it. I probably won't try it just yet but am curious as to what it is.
27 Year old married female law student (last year!!). Diagnosed w/ CD 4 years ago, IBS for over 10 years before that, which was probably the CD. I am sort of lactose intollerant too but can handle anything cultured and do well w/ lactose pills and lactaid. For crohns I am currently on Pentasa 4 pills/4x day and hysociamine prn. I also have bad acid reflux and have been on PPI's since age 13. I have been through prilosec, prevacid, and nexium. Currently I am on Protonix in the morning and Zantac at night.  I take xanax prn for situational anxiety (aka no easy bathroom access). 


Reef08
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   Posted 6/30/2009 10:46 AM (GMT -7)   
FitzyK23 said...
Reef - if you are not selling it I think you can name it. I probably won't try it just yet but am curious as to what it is.


Ok, it's called OPC-3. I searched for it in Youtube and there's even stories about it on local news stations (even The View lol) so that gives its some credibility, but at the same time, I don't like how the people who are using it are also selling it.

beave
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   Posted 6/30/2009 11:35 AM (GMT -7)   

After being sick in high school, I was in remission for several years through college while eating frozen dinners or dorm/cafeteria food - burgers, pizza, etc.  I wasn't on any medication.

Maybe I should walk around with a sign and try to sell my "special diet."  I could even write a book and make loads of cash.

Just because she's in remission doesn't mean that her remission is from her antioxidants.  It could be from her meds, or from sheer luck.

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