The effects of eating dairy products

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cardinal
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   Posted 7/16/2009 10:13 AM (GMT -7)   
Two years after my resection I have still been struggling with frequent diarrhea. Other than the fact that I haven't been in pain, which is a very good thing, my symptoms haven't gone away as I'd hoped after the surgery.

My GI doc suggested that I try eliminating dairy, and although I had tried it before (I think it was shortly before the surgery and it hadn't helped), this time around it has helped a lot. Now I'm wondering how much I cancheat or what things are worse than others. I seem to be able to eat yogurt alright, but canI start taking Lactaid pills before eating ice cream or should I accept my fate of not being an ice cream eater.

Anyone else dealing with this?
Living with CD for the past 36 years, diagnosed in college. Long periods of remission
1 resection in 7/2007 - no pain since then, but struggle with diarrhea still, poor absorption, weight loss
Taking Asacol, Flagyl (sometimes), Vitamin B12 injections monthly, Vitamin D, Fish Oil
Recently discovered that eliminating dairy improves my health greatly


Nanners
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   Posted 7/16/2009 10:17 AM (GMT -7)   
Some people can take lactaid or drink lactose free milk. Neither one really does much for me. PB4 is one of our members who takes a probiotic that helps those who are lactose intolerant. Its called Primadolphilus Reuteri.

I think the majority of us (not all) are lactose intolerant.
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lamb61
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   Posted 7/16/2009 10:18 AM (GMT -7)   
I can tolerate any dairy as long as I take the lactaid pills when I eat it. But seeing as we all have different tollerances, you might just have to experiment to see what works for you.

good luck!
 


Nanners
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   Posted 7/16/2009 10:22 AM (GMT -7)   
Oh and I can eat ice cream no problem. Just can't tolerate milk. I sure miss my cereal.
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Been living with Crohn's Disease for 33 years. Currently on Asacol, Prilosec, Estrace, Prinivil, Diltiazem, Percoset prn for pain, Zofran, Phenergan, Probiotics, Calcium  w/Vit D, and Xanax as needed for my anxiety.  Resections in 2002 and 2005. Also diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, Osteoarthritis, and Anxiety. Currently my Crohns is in remission, but my joints are going crazy!
*Every tomorrow has two handles.  We can take hold of it by the handle of anxiety, or by the handle of faith"*

Katzzz
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   Posted 7/16/2009 11:53 PM (GMT -7)   
I love ice cold milk and I wasn't able to drink milk for about 8-10 years till I was on meds now I can drink it but Dr. told me I should watch how much I drink. Ice cream sets me off cramping some times go figure but not always just some times.

Zanne
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   Posted 7/17/2009 5:08 AM (GMT -7)   
It is a bit of a guessing game. Its all about the quantity and quality of the ice cream for me. I can have less of the really good stuff, probably cause there is more fat. But also you will need to play with the dose of the lactaid pills to find the dose that works for you, and tailor it to what you are eating. The more lactose the more pills you will need. Another thing to be careful of is that lactose hides in strange places. Some deli meats can have lactose added, pills have it as an additive, chips, just lots of things. I put lactaid milk on cereal and in my tea, I cook with it and use it if I am making any kind of pudding or custard for myself. I use it when I make Mac & Cheese for the sauce. Basically I use it for everything and have no problem. Lactaid also makes an ice cream, not many flavors, but it is pretty good. But the best thing they make by far is their Chocolate Milk. It is super thick and creamy. It is like a chocolate milk shake, it is the only way that I will drink a glass of lactaid milk.
Suzanne

CD 20 years officially, 30 unofficially. 3 resections '93, '95 '97
Managing with strict low residue diet, keeping symptoms to a minimum. All test show small amount of ulceration, still have occasional blockages. But still have a great time with my 2 daughters and husband!


Prednisone, 6MP,Prevacid, B12 shots, Bentyl, Xifaxan.....


want_2_be_well
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   Posted 7/17/2009 12:20 PM (GMT -7)   
I was diagnosed with cows milk allergy prior to crohns. The allergy is to a protein so it is differnt than lactose intorrance, although those with milk allergy also suffer from lactose intorrance usually.

Prior to crohns meds I could not tolerate anything with milk products or even lactose (some meds like birth control use lactose as a filler). Now since crohns meds I seem to tolorate some milk related items. I am slowly increasing milk items in order to build my torrance, I am using the same school of thought they do with allergy shots although I have not discussed it with my drs. I read a study on how they are working on this theory with kids with peanut allergies by giving them peanut flour to build torrance.

So back to your question, I start with one little bite and work my torrance up. I know can tolorate 5 bites of yogurt. My stomach does ok with cheese products but I always end up with a migrane the next day so I avoid cheese completely. Ice cream use to make me vomit off one bite, I can now tolorate about a half of bite. So start with little amounts and see the impacts. The allergist explained that milk protein breaks down differently in products hence the reason some items are torolated better than others. You just have to play with it I know I can eat a 100 calorie pack of cheetos and this alone makes life great :)

Other syptoms of true milk allergy that may be different than crohns symptoms are: headaches, dark circles under the eyes, astma (especially after milk product) for example ice cream would cause a coughing fit for me.
want_2_be_well
33 year old Female
Diagnosed with CD 2006, had suffered long before 2006.
CD Meds: Remicade every 7 weeks & Imuran 50 mg,
Also have seasonal allergies, milk allergy, and asthma.
  
 


MMMNAVY
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   Posted 7/17/2009 4:25 PM (GMT -7)   
I see Nanners microwaving her ice cream over cereal....LOL
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CrazyHarry
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   Posted 7/17/2009 6:21 PM (GMT -7)   
some/most people who are lactose intolerant can tolerate kefir or yogurt as the lactose (sugar) is digested in the fermentation process. unfortunately commercial brands just pasteurize the stuff instead of fermenting, and if they do, it is short, so they contain plenty of lactose. scd recommends making your own yogurt by fermenting the milk for minimum of 24 hours.

sheep and goat milk products are easier to digest than cow milk as the molecules are smaller and they do not contain as much lactose. most people tolerate sheep and goat milk better than cow milk.

most of the dairy substitutes/alternatives are junk. just sugar really. the only milk substitute i can recommend is almond milk. there are now non dairy ice creams that are made with coconut milk. imho they taste great, but i like the faint hint of coconut. i've also found goat milk ice cream too and i tolerated that no problem. but then i dont eat it like a kid anymore, ie a big monster bowl. funny how now being an adult a few spoonfuls and i'm done with it.

i can handle cheese fine. raw dairy products are the bomb. i eat dairy very sparingly though.

if you have a milk allergy, chances are you are really allergic to casein, one of the two proteins in milk (the other being whey). get tested to find out for sure.
Crazy Harry

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Crohn's since 1993 (17 yrs old then)
surgery in July '05 - removal of 2 inches at ileum and 8 inches of sigmoid colon (had fistula into bladder)
Nov '05 developed colonic inertia; July '06 told i needed ostomy surgery
began maker's diet in August '06 - now feeling the best ever with no symptoms of colonic inertia and i kept my colon
med free as of 10/31/07


ozonehole
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   Posted 7/17/2009 11:52 PM (GMT -7)   
Nanners said...
Some people can take lactaid or drink lactose free milk. Neither one really does much for me. PB4 is one of our members who takes a probiotic that helps those who are lactose intolerant. Its called Primadolphilus Reuteri.


I wonder if that's the probiotic in Digestive Advantage. I was taking that for awhile, and can report that it's very effective. It made it possible for me to drink milk. You only need to take it once a day, so it's a lot better than gobbling lactaid pills every time you drink milk or eat ice cream.

I'm not taking Digestive Advantage now only because I'm in Taiwan, and I haven't seen it for sale around here.

best regards,
Robert
Crohn's since 1988
3 resections


cardinal
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   Posted 7/18/2009 9:29 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks everyone so much for all your thoughts. I tried some yogurt cheese yesterday which said it was lactose free, and I got sick. But maybe it was because of the jalapeno in it! I know, that wouldn't have been my choice, but it was all they had.

I think having some almond or rice milk around would be a good idea. And I'll look up Digestive Advantage to see what that's about. I do believe that regular Probiotics would be good, but never sure which ones to buy.

Trying just a little at a time is a great idea. Then I don't have to be completely deprived, just careful. Still at the moment, I'm happy being somewhat healthier, and am nervous about trying things. It always seems like when I get on a bad jag, it's hard to figure out how to turn off that switch and go back to doing well.

I really appreciate everyone's thoughts.
Living with CD for the past 36 years, diagnosed in college. Long periods of remission
1 resection in 7/2007 - no pain since then, but struggle with diarrhea, poor absorption, weight loss
Taking Asacol, Flagyl (sometimes), Vitamin B12 injections monthly, Vitamin D, Fish Oil, Calcium

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