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Jen77
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   Posted 8/27/2009 7:36 PM (GMT -7)   
My 11 year old son came down with it around midnight last night. Started with a sore throat, he had stomach pain and diarrhea. By mid-day today he just went down hill. He looked white as a ghost, coughing up stuff, fever, chills. Basically the whole 9 yards. I called the nurse line, worrying that this is what it was. Especially with how fast it all came on. The nurse on the phone thought it was, and sent us over to urgent care. They did a strep test, was negative. They said they are very certain it's the swine flu.
 
So he's on 5 days of Tamiflu. I mentioned my having Crohn's, so they put me on 10 days of a lower dosage of Tamiflu as a preventative. Only because I'm at higher risk for complications.
 
It's all pretty scary. I know our board here has already been touched by losing a loved one. I'm worried for my little guy, as well as myself. But I'm really hopeful that we are getting it in good time, and getting on treatment. I'm REALLY hoping my going on preventative medication will help me too. He went to a birthday party this weekend, where two of the kids were coughing. We called the person who had the party (who was one of the coughing kids). But she acted like her son just had a cough. We hadn't been anywhere else, so I'm pretty sure it had to come from there. Just keep us in your thoughts please! Gonna be a rough week here for us!
 
 
~Jennifer
 
Diagnosed with Crohn's Disease 2/06, and Health Anxiety/OCD 12/08 Taking Asacol, Questran, Toprol XL, and Celexa.

Post Edited (Jen77) : 8/29/2009 7:25:47 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 8/27/2009 7:49 PM (GMT -7)   
You'll be in my thoughts...I hope you guys get well soon. Get the rest you deserve!
20 years old, Diagnosed with moderate to severe Crohn's and Colitis in May of 2008.
Currently taking: Prednisone 5 mg, pentasa 2 pills 4x a day, omeprazole in the morning, and a women's multivitamin. I'm also trying a B vitamin complex, but it doesn't seem to be working so I'm considering the shots.
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inflamed
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   Posted 8/27/2009 8:12 PM (GMT -7)   
My hubby had it already. He and I both got the Tamiflu. Don't rely just on in it though. The CDC has directions on how to care for someone in the house. Follow them, EXACTLY. They work. I didn't get it and my 9 month old didn't either. Hang in there. It will be a miserable few days, mostly for your son, but you can take care of him and keep everyone else healthy. Good luck!

inflamed
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   Posted 8/27/2009 8:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Here's the link. The paper towel tip was a good one. All of them are.

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/guidance_homecare.htm

Placement of the sick person
Keep the sick person in a room separate from the common areas of the house. (For example, a spare bedroom with its own bathroom, if that’s possible.) Keep the sickroom door closed.
Unless necessary for medical care or other necessities, people who are sick with an influenza-like-illness should stay home and keep away from others as much as possible, including avoiding travel, for at least 24 hours after fever is gone except to get medical care or for other necessities. (Fever should be gone without the use of a fever-reducing medicine). This is to keep from making others sick. Children, especially younger children, might potentially be contagious for longer periods.
If persons with the flu need to leave the home (for example, for medical care), they should wear a facemask, if available and tolerable, and cover their nose and mouth when coughing or sneezing
Have the sick person wear a facemask – if available and tolerable – if they need to be in a common area of the house near other persons.
If possible, sick persons should use a separate bathroom. This bathroom should be cleaned daily with household disinfectant (see below).
Protect other persons in the home
The sick person should not have visitors other than caregivers. A phone call is safer than a visit.
If possible, have only one adult in the home take care of the sick person. People at increased risk of severe illness from flu should not be the designated caretaker, if possible.
If you are in a high risk group for complications from influenza, you should attempt to avoid close contact (within 6 feet) with household members who are sick with influenza. If close contact with a sick individual is unavoidable, consider wearing a facemask or respirator, if available and tolerable. For more information, see the Interim Recommendations for Facemask and Respirator Use.
Avoid having pregnant women care for the sick person. (Pregnant women are at increased risk of influenza-related complications and immunity can be suppressed during pregnancy).
Avoid having sick family members care for infants and other groups at high risk for complications of influenza.
All persons in the household should clean their hands with soap and water or an alcohol-based hand rub* frequently, including after every contact with the sick person or the person’s room or bathroom.
Use paper towels for drying hands after hand washing or dedicate cloth towels to each person in the household. For example, have different colored towels for each person.
If possible, consideration should be given to maintaining good ventilation in shared household areas (e.g., keeping windows open in restrooms, kitchen, bathroom, etc.).
Antiviral medications can be used to prevent the flu, so check with your health care provider to see if some persons in the home should use antiviral medications.
If you are the caregiver
Avoid being face-to-face with the sick person.
When holding small children who are sick, place their chin on your shoulder so that they will not cough in your face.
Clean your hands with soap and water or use an alcohol-based hand rub* after you touch the sick person or handle used tissues, or laundry.
Talk to your health care provider about taking antiviral medication to prevent the caregiver from getting the flu.
If you are at high risk of influenza associated complications, you should not be the designated caretaker, if possible.
If you are in a high risk group for complications from influenza, you should attempt to avoid close contact (within 6 feet) with household members who are sick with influenza. Designate a person who is not at high risk of flu associated complications as the primary caretaker of household members who are sick with influenza, if at all possible. If close contact with a sick individual is unavoidable, consider wearing a facemask or respirator, if available and tolerable. For more information, see the Interim Recommendations for Facemask and Respirator Use
Monitor yourself and household members for flu symptoms and contact a telephone hotline or health care provider if symptoms occur.
Using Facemasks or Respirators
Avoid close contact (less than about 6 feet away) with the sick person as much as possible.
If you must have close contact with the sick person (for example, hold a sick infant), spend the least amount of time possible in close contact and try to wear a facemask (for example, surgical mask) or N95 disposable respirator.
An N95 respirator that fits snugly on your face can filter out small particles that can be inhaled around the edges of a facemask, but compared with a facemask it is harder to breathe through an N95 mask for long periods of time. More information on facemasks and respirators can be found at H1N1 Flu (Swine Flu) website.
Facemasks and respirators may be purchased at a pharmacy, building supply or hardware store.
Wear an N95 respirator if you help a sick person with respiratory treatments using a nebulizer or inhaler, as directed by their doctor. Respiratory treatments should be performed in a separate room away from common areas of the house when at all possible.
Used facemasks and N95 respirators should be taken off and placed immediately in the regular trash so they don’t touch anything else.
Avoid re-using disposable facemasks and N95 respirators, if possible. If a reusable fabric facemask is used, it should be laundered with normal laundry detergent and tumble-dried in a hot dryer.
After you take off a facemask or N95 respirator, clean your hands with soap and water or an alcohol-based hand sanitizer.
For more information, see the Interim Recommendations for Facemask and Respirator Use


Household Cleaning, Laundry, and Waste Disposal
Throw away tissues and other disposable items used by the sick person in the trash. Wash your hands after touching used tissues and similar waste.
Keep surfaces (especially bedside tables, surfaces in the bathroom, and toys for children) clean by wiping them down with a household disinfectant according to directions on the product label.
Linens, eating utensils, and dishes belonging to those who are sick do not need to be cleaned separately, but importantly these items should not be shared without washing thoroughly first.
Wash linens (such as bed sheets and towels) by using household laundry soap and tumble dry on a hot setting. Avoid “hugging” laundry prior to washing it to prevent contaminating yourself. Clean your hands with soap and water or alcohol-based hand rub right after handling dirty laundry.
Eating utensils should be washed either in a dishwasher or by hand with water and soap.

EMom
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   Posted 8/27/2009 8:46 PM (GMT -7)   
Jen, I will keep your little guy in my prayers! I hope he feels better real soon!!!

We all might want to consider boosting our vitamin D3 to prevent or lessen the severity. Here are a couple of links:

http://www.nutraingredients-usa.com/Health-condition-categories/Immune-system/Canada-examines-vitamin-D-for-swine-flu-protection

In this link questions are addressed to Dr. Cannell. I understand he is one of the foremost researchers and an expert on vitamin D3:

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/newsletter/h1n1-flu-and-vitamin-d.shtml

(MMMNavy, I tried to activate these links as you explained. Obviously I'm still doing something wrong! rolleyes )

*I activated your links*

Post Edited By Moderator (Nanners) : 8/28/2009 7:32:32 AM (GMT-6)


tsitodawg
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   Posted 8/28/2009 1:48 AM (GMT -7)   
I am the one on the board that recently lost my sister to swine flu and I can only imagine the fear that you must be having. Please do not let them treat his symptoms lightly and push for hospitalization if he is starting to show signs of pneumonia. My sister was sent away from the hospital 4 times before they finally admitted her and she was immediately placed in ICU on a ventilator because she had developed pneumonia. As soon as she began to show some improvement, they moved her out of ICU and after only one day released her with an oxygen bottle due to her poor insurance.(yes she even had insurance) She also suffered from R.A. but was not crippled or severe, but her body never did recover from the pneumonia or the swine flu. 3 weeks later we lost her from a blood clot in her lung.
I do not tell you this to frighten you, but to make sure that you fight them if they do not take your son's case seriously. It is better to be overly cautious, then not enough. Do not let them treat you like you do not know what you are talking about if he gets worse and demand good care. My sister may very well still be here if she would have not be so shy and pushed them to keep her hospitalized. She never told anyone how bad she really was. You and your family are im my prayers.

Nanners
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   Posted 8/28/2009 6:33 AM (GMT -7)   
Sending healing prayers you and your little guys way.

Hugs
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Crohn's Disease for over 33 years. Currently on Asacol, Prilosec, Estrace, Prinivil, Diltiazem, Percoset prn for pain, Zofran, Phenergan, Probiotics, Calcium  w/Vit D, and Xanax as needed. Resections in 2002 and 2005. Also diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, Osteoarthritis, and Anxiety. Currently my Crohns is in remission, but my joints are going crazy!
It's scary when you start making the same noises As your coffee maker.
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way2tired
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   Posted 8/28/2009 8:25 AM (GMT -7)   
Will be thinking of you both, take care and let us know how your little one and yourself are doing.....

Jen77
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   Posted 8/28/2009 12:14 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for all the well wishes and info, greatly appreciated! This was something that I always kind of feared, but never really thought we would get. We try to be so careful to not get around sick people. But it was a rough night here, and so far a rough day. He started throwing up in the middle of the night. So far only three times, but I'm watching it all very carefully. I'm not going to let him get dehydrated, and it's hard when your throwing up and have a fever. I sent my husband out for popcicles, and applesauce. Already have lots of gaterade in the house. His cough is a little more productive today, but at least he's bringing it all up. It's been hard for me to stay away, since he needs his Mommy. But I'm trying my best to not get too close, and lots of hand washing going on.

tsitodawg, your exactly who I thought of yesterday! If he gets worse I will be fighting to make sure they take things seriously. I'm hoping the tamiflu will at least slow things down soon. Thanks again!


~Jennifer
 
Diagnosed with Crohn's Disease 2/06, and Health Anxiety/OCD 12/08 Taking Asacol, Questran, Toprol XL, and Celexa.


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   Posted 8/28/2009 12:37 PM (GMT -7)   
It sounds like you've done everything right.  Now, as you continue to treat the symptoms, we will all wait and pray for a quick recovery.

Crohn's Disease. 
Diagnosed 13+ years ago. 
Been in remission for short periods of time but each time I come out of remission my disease seems to have spread.  No longer isolated in my ileum, now from stomach down to rectum. 
Current Medications for the Crohns:  Humera 40mg injections every other week, Imuran 150mg, 3xday, Hyomax, Welchol 625mg, Calcium, Acidophilus & Potassium
Previous Medications I've been on:  Asocal, Pentasa, Cipro, Prednisone, Flagyl, Vancomycin & Entocort
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LynnRN
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   Posted 8/28/2009 3:39 PM (GMT -7)   

I hope he gets better really soon.Poor little guy,I know you are worried,that's what us parents do:(

 

Hang in there wink


SydneyJo
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   Posted 8/28/2009 7:21 PM (GMT -7)   
Prayers for you and your family Jen.
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FallColors
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   Posted 8/29/2009 7:02 AM (GMT -7)   
Praying for the protection of you and your household, and for healing for your son.
Diagnosed with Crohn's in early 2007.  Several peri-rectal abscesses and two fistulae with setons.  Allergic to Remicade and Humira.  Currently on 6MP, and vitamins D and B-12.


Jen77
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   Posted 8/29/2009 6:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Update: Just wanted to let everyone know that we had to take him to the Urgent care again today. His cough turned much more tight, and he just sounded horrible. He got a breathing treatment, and they did a chest xray. Which showed he has developed pneumonia in one lung. They don't believe he's at the point where he would need to be in the hospital. We got a second opinion with our doctor on the phone as well. He's on the Z pack antibiotics, on prednisone, and an inhaler.

To be honest I'm scared to death for him. When you read about those who have died from it, it's always when it turns in to pneumonia. I'm hoping were doing everything we can, our doctor says we are. So far I haven't come down with it, so I'm hoping the Tamiflu is helping that. But I feel so helpless, and so scared right now.


~Jennifer
 
Diagnosed with Crohn's Disease 2/06, and Health Anxiety/OCD 12/08 Taking Asacol, Questran, Toprol XL, and Celexa.


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FitzyK23
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   Posted 8/29/2009 7:46 PM (GMT -7)   
HUGS!!! Ill keep your family in my prayers. At least the doctors know of the pnemonia and are monitoring it. When I was 4 I had a bad flu and chicken pox and got pnemonia. I ended up hospitalized for a couple days but it was from the fever, not the pnemonia. Many young ones get pnemonia and heal great. Just remember that only the worst case scenarios make the news. Try to think of all the kids that heal super well!! So sorry you are dealing with this.
27 Year old married female.  Graduated law school this year and waiting for results of the bar exam.  Start a new job sometime in September.  Diagnosed w/ CD 4 years ago, IBS for over 10 years before that, which was probably the CD. I am sort of lactose intollerant too but can handle anything cultured and do well w/ lactose pills and lactaid. For crohns I am currently on Pentasa 4 pills/4x day and hysociamine prn. I also have bad acid reflux and have been on PPI's since age 13. I have been through prilosec, prevacid, and nexium. Currently I am on Protonix in the morning and Zantac at night.  I take xanax prn for situational anxiety (aka no easy bathroom access). 


ozonehole
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   Posted 8/29/2009 11:53 PM (GMT -7)   
Dear All,

In a previous discussion about swine flu, I mentioned that it would be prudent to get vaccinated against bacterial pneumonia. A couple of posters dismissed the suggestion, thinking it would be no help at all.

But I stand behind my suggestion, and I'm bringing it up again in the hopes that some of you will consider taking this precaution. In previous severe flu outbreaks, pneumonia vaccination was deemed to be of help.

The US Center for Disease Control has this to say about it:

http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/guidance/ppsv_h1n1.htm

A few important points to consider:

The pneumonia vaccination is for bacterial pneumonia. Swine flu is a virus. Bacterial pneumonia is often a complication of flu, but it is possible to get viral pneumonia as well. So, this vaccine is not a panacea.

The pneumonia vaccine will not prevent swine flu. It will not reduce swine flu symptoms either, other than the symptoms of bacterial pneumonia should you get it.

Right now, it's the only vaccination available that can increase your chances of survival from swine flu. It's a far from perfect solution. We are still awaiting a swine flu vaccine.

Pneumonia vaccination needs to be administered at least two weeks before you catch the flu in order to do any good. If you've already got the flu, there's no point in rushing out to get vaccinated.

My wife and I got our pneumonia vaccinations two months ago. We are also boosting our intake of vitamin D, which is believed to have some anti-inflammatory effect on pneumonia. But nothing is guaranteed.

Forum devoted to swine flu:
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/

More specifically:
H1N1 Clinical Diagnosis & Treatment
http://www.flutrackers.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=1531

best regards,
Robert
Crohn's since 1988
3 resections

Post Edited (ozonehole) : 8/30/2009 1:13:35 AM (GMT-6)


Nanners
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   Posted 8/30/2009 6:42 AM (GMT -7)   
Ozone,

I am one who agreed with you and I too had mentioned the pneumonia shot. I have an appt with my family doc and will be asking him for the pneumonia shot. I had one about 10 years ago, so I think its time for another.
 
Jen, I will keep your little one and family in my prayers.

Hugs
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Crohn's Disease for over 33 years. Currently on Asacol, Prilosec, Estrace, Prinivil, Diltiazem, Percoset prn for pain, Zofran, Phenergan, Probiotics, Calcium  w/Vit D, and Xanax as needed. Resections in 2002 and 2005. Also diagnosed with Fibromyalgia, Osteoarthritis, and Anxiety. Currently my Crohns is in remission, but my joints are going crazy!
It's scary when you start making the same noises As your coffee maker.
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Post Edited (Nanners) : 8/30/2009 7:57:01 AM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 8/30/2009 7:23 AM (GMT -7)   
((((((((((((((JEN and little one)))))))))))))))))))))))))
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FallColors
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   Posted 8/30/2009 3:53 PM (GMT -7)   
Praying the meds really help him, and for peace and comfort for you and your family!
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Irishmom4
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   Posted 8/30/2009 4:20 PM (GMT -7)   
Is it still stand true that you should get a pneumonia shot every 5 years? I had mine in 2006.

Elizabeth
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Bowel Resection surgery 2006, Now on Asacol, folic acid, and Enalapril,
 


ozonehole
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   Posted 8/30/2009 7:56 PM (GMT -7)   
Irishmom4 said...
Is it still stand true that you should get a pneumonia shot every 5 years? I had mine in 2006.

Elizabeth


My doctor said that you shouldn't get immunized more often than once every 5 years. Some authorities claim you only need to get vaccinated once in a lifetime, but that didn't jive with what my doctor said. Wikipedia has this to say:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pneumococcal_polysaccharide_vaccine

The 23-valent vaccine (e.g., Pneumovax II) is effective against 23 different pneumococcal sub-forms (serotypes). It is only appropriate for adults and usually should only be administered once, as subsequent re-injection risks severe local reactions. The exception is where immunity may be lost at a faster rate than normal (e.g. patients with asplenia or nephrotic syndrome) when repeated re-vaccination every 5–10 years is recommended.


I'm not a medical authority, but from what I've read, I think that if you were last vaccinated in 2006, you're still good to go until at least 2011.

best regards,
Robert
Crohn's since 1988
3 resections


Jen77
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   Posted 8/30/2009 9:56 PM (GMT -7)   
Just another update! Medications are really working wonderfully for him. He perked right up today, and while he's still got a nasty cough seems 110% better then where he was at before. I'm just so thankful that we seemed to catch everything in the very early stages.

We have a follow up appointment with our doctor this week for him. I also plan on talking to him about a pneumonia shot for me. Since this thing can turn in to pneumonia in a matter of just 2-3 days after starting flu symptoms. Really getting help early and not fooling around with it when you start to feel worse is just key. I can't stress that enough!
~Jennifer
 
Diagnosed with Crohn's Disease 2/06, and Health Anxiety/OCD 12/08 Taking Asacol, Questran, Toprol XL, and Celexa.


tsitodawg
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   Posted 8/31/2009 2:10 AM (GMT -7)   
Jenn 77
I am so glad that your son is making progress and doing better. I am so proud of you and your spouse for being so proactive in his treatment and even getting a second opinion. You son is very lucky to have you as his mom and one day when he is old will be able to fully thank you by living a good life. Keep up the good work and keep an eye on him still. My sister had her pneumonia return after 3 weeks of being diagnosed. Well, it actualy never left but got worse really quick because of lack of medicinal treatment. I am so glad that another person is not going to have to go through what my family is going through.

FallColors
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   Posted 8/31/2009 4:09 AM (GMT -7)   
Wonderful news!! How excellent that he is responding so quickly!!
Diagnosed with Crohn's in early 2007.  Several peri-rectal abscesses and two fistulae with setons.  Allergic to Remicade and Humira.  Currently on 6MP, and vitamins D and B-12.

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