Alcohol may be Beneficial to Crohn's!

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GDen
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   Posted 9/4/2009 9:21 PM (GMT -7)   
Dr. Garth Swanson, M.D., M.S. said...
We don’t know exactly how alcohol affects Crohn’s disease. Acutely, we believe alcohol may be beneficial to Crohn’s disease and that moderate alcohol consumption is something that is safe for patients with Crohn’s disease to do. Chronically or large amounts of alcohol consumption appear to increase inflammation and would worsen the course of Crohn’s disease.

www.empowher.com/media/video/video-dr-swanson-crohns-disease-how-does-alcohol-affect

Good to hear. I enjoy having a drink or two once in a while and have never noticed dramatically worse Crohn's symptoms afterward. When I was getting discharged from the hospital after my first flare, a nurse said I'd be right back in there if I had so much as a drop of alcohol. I ran that by my GE soon afterwards and he said it should be okay to drink in moderation. But I think they'd prefer if I didn't drink anything at all, so I'll have to show them this!

LMills
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   Posted 9/4/2009 9:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Well, I could really use a margarita. I wonder what kinds are absolutely forbidden?
20 years old, Diagnosed with moderate to severe Crohn's and Colitis in May of 2008.
Currently taking: Prednisone 5 mg, pentasa 2 pills 4x a day, omeprazole in the morning, and a women's multivitamin. I'm also trying a B vitamin complex, but it doesn't seem to be working so I'm considering the shots.
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camjames
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   Posted 9/4/2009 9:38 PM (GMT -7)   
This is somewhat suiting to my past experience. Not everytime I have a beer I feel better, but this one time I was going thru a mini flare, and happened to be out with my friends and got forced to drink some beer outa peer pressure. I ended up feeling alittle better the few days after and never really felt as bad for months...kinda weird i know. I would assume the tendency of alcohol to induce ulcers and such would contribute to a worsening of crohn's in the long run though.

Fawn0209
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   Posted 9/4/2009 9:41 PM (GMT -7)   
I'd really like to know how it could possibly be beneficial.

Anyway, I imagine straight shots of just about any hard liquor would be forbidden. The last time I attempted to drink vodka, it burned so crazy bad that I couldn't drink any more. And beer is just as bad, drinking a lot of beer tends to cause D the next day anyhow, combine that with Crohn's Disease complications and a hangover, and you'll be in bed crying all day, curled up in the fetal position.

lol. That's probably just me, though.

LMills
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   Posted 9/4/2009 10:12 PM (GMT -7)   
Perhaps it helps restore in imbalance in bacteria or yeast, depending on which kind of alcohol it is.
20 years old, Diagnosed with moderate to severe Crohn's and Colitis in May of 2008.
Currently taking: Prednisone 5 mg, pentasa 2 pills 4x a day, omeprazole in the morning, and a women's multivitamin. I'm also trying a B vitamin complex, but it doesn't seem to be working so I'm considering the shots.
Diet almost completely without refined sugars, wheat, flour, gluten, high lactose dairy, and/or junk food in general.
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tsitodawg
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   Posted 9/5/2009 3:20 AM (GMT -7)   
I wonder which brewery paid money to this doctor or donated to his cliical trials. It must have been a large amount of money because you would think that the alcohol connection would have been one that would have been discovered years ago since many crohnies turn to it due to depression. Of course, many stop drinking very quickly due to the fact that they end up in more pain and personal issues develop without numbing the emotional pain. I am sorry if I sound negative but I reallly do not agree at all with this. How in the world can something that kills your liver(I know about methotrexate and 6 mp), causes bloating(beer belly due to yeast ), and hurt your brain cells do anything good or benefitial for Crohn's disease. Honestly, I am not a drinker but I am friends with many that have stomach problems due to long term drinking. I know people that have huge beer bellies and are not raging alcoholics but have a couple beers when they get home at night. How can something like that be beneficial? O have a heroin addicted relative that will not touch alcohol due to the stomach ulcers that heavy drinking as a bartender for many years caused him. Think about that, he will stick a needle in his vein full of heroin or smoke meth, but put a beer or drink in front of him and he says no way.(it shocked me too and I laughed at first but he is dead serious)
Sometimes I start to wonder if people try to justify what a person says just because they have a MD by their name. I am not at all trying to put this on the person that put the story on here, but more to the person that published what this doctor was trying to get their name famous with. If this is true, I would like my crow with rice and a beer but I really think it is another one of those people trying to make a name for themselves. I can understand them saying that it may not hurt a person with mild or remissioned crohn's disease worse than it would any normal person, but to go to the extent that it would be beneficial for us makes me second guess them. I have become somewhat sceptical to miracle cures, juices, and natural rememdies. I do believe that there is a cure to be found one day but I don't feel like it is going to be found in a silver can or from a tap. Remember, tabacco and cocaine were once thought to enhance our minds and treat many illnessses. Of course, it could also be said that many of the medications we are on cause just as much damage but my cimzia has not got me a DUI yet. I will take my chances with being dry.

GDen
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   Posted 9/5/2009 3:55 AM (GMT -7)   
Wow, must everything be a conspiracy? I know plenty of people who drink and don't suffer any ill effects. The doctor said IN MODERATION, and that they BELIEVE alcohol MAY BE BENEFICIAL. That doctor sure wasn't coming across like some pitchman in an infomercial. It's absurd to extrapolate that anybody who drinks is going to become an alcoholic or get DUIs. I think I'm more concerned about some of these drugs that treat Crohn's than I am about alcohol. And it's well known that drinking wine has health benefits. IN MODERATION. I recently saw some other articles--on Mayo Clinic even I think--that said cigarette smoking can actually help UC sufferers (not that they're recommending it). Yeah, I bet they're on the take from big tobacco. Here's more info about the doctor, let us know what alcohol company is funding him:

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Anyway.......................................hopefully insurance covers this soon!

chrisnsteph1022
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   Posted 9/5/2009 4:28 AM (GMT -7)   
ROFL! Alcohol is the one constant trigger for me. Even in remission, I always have D the day after drinking (even just one drink).
Stephanie, 29, married for 10 wonderful years and mommy to two awesome toddlers
dx with Crohn's 4/2003, in remission since 11/2003...currently suspect the beginning of a flare
dx with bipolar II 8/2009, still trying to figure it out
Omeprazole 40mg, zoloft 100mg


crohnielass
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   Posted 9/5/2009 5:29 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi,when i was in hospital and very aneamic my surgeon recommended guiness or stout as it contains iron so there i was drinking a bottle of guiness a day and the hospital allowed me to have it in there! i did ask if it could be added to my prescription but they drew the line at that!!!!!!!!!!!!! smilewinkgrin Bev xx

Diagnosed with crohn's at 13 now 42
resection, right hemi 1993 In remmision from 93 till last sept with no meds or docs
2 resections small bowel  and fistula jan 09 and given temp stoma.  reversal sheduled for Nov09 Meds:Pentasa 500mg 3x day,  B12 shots, every 3 months, iron syrup,loperimide,folic acid, Back on citalopram 40mg (for Anxiety.)


tsitodawg
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   Posted 9/5/2009 5:29 AM (GMT -7)   
No conspiracy theories here and never called everyone that drinks an alcoholic, but to suggest that alcohol is a beneficial item is not a moral issue.  If someone wants to have their drink with their dinner or whatever, good for them. As for a person having crohn's benefiting from it, I think that it is a far stretch. Even the wine theory has been disproven and you can get the same benefits from regular grapejuice. The harmful effects of alcohol far outwiegh those of any benefits that it may provide. Alcohol is terroble for you gut in any form and that is well known. NSAIDS are ok in moderation for the common person but for a person with crohn's to take them is very risky. You may get away with using them a few times without having any noticable effects but regular use will lead to major damage. The same goes with alcohol, a person with crohn's may get away with drink when their disease is mild or once in a while, but it is going to lead to problems. Alcoholism is another factor that does need to be taken into account. As I have seen firsthand with people very close to me, when it numbs the pain many do not have the self control to keep it at a few drinks. Mix all of this with the depression and emotional stress that does come with this disease and there is a good chance that you are playing with fire. Just as cigarette smoking may call the receptors in the stomach causing and bowels causing some momentarily relief, the risk of cancer in the esophagus, lungs, throat and other negatives far outweigh the short benefit. I am sure that if I were to do some drugs I may feel good for a little while and may not get addicted the first time but it does not outweigh the risk that I am taking.
I respect your opinion and agree to disagree. I personally will choose not to drink or smoke because of the research and education that I have been taught through my whole life. Not just on moral grounds but actually because of the chemicals in them. I do not judge anyone that chooses to drink or smoke but I have yet to see one convincing scientific agrument that showed me any health benefit. Just like drinking cola(which I love) settles the stomach, I still know that the sugars and other chemicals are harmful to my gut. We all have free agency in beliefs and ways of treating our disease and if it works for you great but I am skeptical of a doctor that says that alcohol is good in any form. No conspiracy theories but you would think that a person that knew all of the dangers of alcohol would never advocate treating your disease with it.

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Nanners
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   Posted 9/5/2009 7:30 AM (GMT -7)   
I only wish I could have a drink once in awhile. Maybe because I don't like beer or wine is my problem. Whenever I do drink its always some kind of drink with rum. I can say I miss it once in awhile. Oh well!! Those who can drink enjoy one for me:)
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pb4
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   Posted 9/5/2009 10:51 AM (GMT -7)   
There can be health benefits to some alcohol (in moderation of course) that's been proven time and time again especially with red wine (for the heart, and other things I believe), alcohol is not poison unless you drink too much and give yourself alcohol poisoning...alcohol does kill infection too so think beyond the fact that it can cause alcoholisim cuz alcohol when used properly does have it's benefits.

I've also heard that alcohol is hard on the colon, but again, moderation is likely key as well, and it may also depend on exactly how and what you're drinking, highballs with pop in it, well, the pop certainly could be the culprit in upsetting ones gut, same with bloody mary, the tomatoe juice could be the culprit with gut upset as well.

Do tread with caution though, drinking at all while on any type of antibiotics does not mix (with flagyl a simple glass of white wine can make you thrw up) but not just the fact that it can make you vomit, it lessens the effect of antibiotics in general.


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   Posted 9/5/2009 10:55 AM (GMT -7)   
No thanks, I need my liver.
33 y/o male. Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

Current meds: Humira 2/27/09. Proferrin iron pills.

Tried SCD, didn't work, now avoiding gluten and dairy.


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GDen
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   Posted 9/5/2009 11:18 AM (GMT -7)   
Rider Fan said...
No thanks, I need my liver.

Then don't overindulge...

Fawn0209
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   Posted 9/5/2009 1:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Oh, that reminds me. So I had an endoscopy last week and they found erythematous mucosa in the gastric antrum, which I didn't know what meant. Ok? So then my MOM tells me that it means I have ulcers in part of my stomach, too, and starts going on about how drinking caused it. I was an alcoholic for several years, yes, but... from what I've researched Crohn's ulcers and such have NOTHING to do with ulcers you may give yourself when abusing alcohol.

BESIDES, I quit drinking over a year ago, found out I had Crohn's in April THIS YEAR, and only had my stomach looked at last week. SO I figure there can't possibly be any connection.

Anyway, when I got my lip pierced years ago, my piercer told me not to drink any beer/malt liquor because the yeast would infect my lip, BUT that if I wanted to go home and have a few shots of vodka, it'd sterilize my lip.

aoccc
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   Posted 9/5/2009 2:30 PM (GMT -7)   
Certain hard liquor gives me no problems. Trial and error really.
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Jen77
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   Posted 9/5/2009 3:49 PM (GMT -7)   
I think it may be important to just look at our medications, and if we can drink with those. Or if it's a good idea to drink with those. Seems like they can be hard on our bodies, and liver too. Without adding on alcholol. I've never been been on drinking, although I did enjoy a drink here and there, a few times a year. I don't think I'm supposed to drink with my anti-depressant, so I don't touch the stuff.
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Diagnosed with Crohn's Disease 2/06, and Health Anxiety/OCD 12/08 Taking Asacol, Questran, Toprol XL, and Celexa.


MAG102886
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   Posted 9/5/2009 5:04 PM (GMT -7)   
I've actually noticed that when I drink vodka, or rum that my stomach feels better. Beer is a huge NO NO, too many bubbles and it just doesn't sit well with me. Whether it be the alcohol numbing my sense or it being beneficial I don't know. Ive never had D while drinking.  I can't drink at all right now however because of some of the medications I'm on, and I'm sure thats the case for many Crohnies.

Dianogsed with Crohns: At 16 years old. 22 years old now.
Surgeries:2 Bowel Resections, Gallbladder Removed, 3 Abscess Cleanings
Current Meds: Cimzia, Methorexate, Vitamin B12 (injections), Nexium.
Next Surgery: Sept 4, 2009 to Take Down Abdominal Fistula!!  (On hold until current flare is under control, boo!)
 

ski bum
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   Posted 9/5/2009 5:09 PM (GMT -7)   
I was in Healdsburg, CA this summer and really enjoyed an afternoon of wine tasting. But for the next few days, I had bad D. So, I haven't had more than a sip of wine since then. It's not worth it for me. It sure was fun tho, but from now on, I'll just have to be the designated driver.
50 y/o F. CD dx'd Aug 05. Initially on Pentasa, then Imuran 125 mg. Started Humira (very reluctantly) on 10/24/07. Ileocolectomy 4/08. Back on Pentasa as maintenance.


yankeespg23
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   Posted 9/5/2009 7:22 PM (GMT -7)   
I have had Crohn's for about 22 years now. I never met a G.I doctor that said alcohol was ok for this disease. Actually every G.I  I had said to avoid all types of alcohol that it can trigger flares, make you feel worse.
I guess I was some what lucky. Was diagnosed at age 12 yrs old. So I never had the chance to start drinking. Growing up, I just observed how stupid my friends acted drunk, lol and said it was good for me to stay sober.
34 yr old Male from NYC, DX with Crohn's in oct of 1987
Resection in 1990
Switching to Remicade, Aug 6th. 2009
Entocort 3mg 3 pills each morning.
Currently on Humira pen shots, 40mg weekly. Cipro 2x a day.
Anemic again, Start Iron infusions August 31.


pb4
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   Posted 9/5/2009 8:45 PM (GMT -7)   
It's actually kinda funny that people think that if you drink you're always gonna get drunk...it's not like that for everyone, many enjoy a glass of wine with their dinner, not everyone drinks to get drunk.

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kim123
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   Posted 9/5/2009 9:20 PM (GMT -7)   
Alcohol is a mycotoxin. That being said, I do enjoy a glass of wine from time to time. Oh well.........

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   Posted 9/6/2009 5:20 PM (GMT -7)   
 Someone's religious preference has nothing to do with their intelligence or moral strength.

 

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   Posted 9/6/2009 6:03 PM (GMT -7)   
crohnielass said...
Hi,when i was in hospital and very aneamic my surgeon recommended guiness or stout as it contains iron so there i was drinking a bottle of guiness a day and the hospital allowed me to have it in there! i did ask if it could be added to my prescription but they drew the line at that!!!!!!!!!!!!! smilewinkgrin Bev xx


if you can get Weihenstephaner Korbinian, youd actually have a beer that has all the benefits of Guiness PLUS actual flavor..............................

 

General Colon Bowel


LMills
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   Posted 9/6/2009 6:18 PM (GMT -7)   
I must respectfully disagree ... I've heard too much of the ignorance associated with the majority of visits with a GI on there that it wouldn't surprise if they didn't know that certain types of alcohol had any beneficial effects.

And Mag, I am the same way. I seem to tolerate margaritas in moderation all right, but NOT beer in any amount.

Post Edited By Moderator (MMMNAVY) : 9/9/2009 7:51:18 PM (GMT-6)

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