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DeeRNC
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   Posted 10/3/2009 10:01 AM (GMT -7)   
I am 46 and a couple of months ago I went on a bowel cleanse and some days I have cramps and loose stool with it but basically went really well.
Then I stop the cleanse and pain developed in my lt. colon and sigmoid area. It felt like some one was frying potatoes in my lower back.  Then I felt pain in my bladder, ovary's and back during BM.  If I slept on my stomach I feel burning and aching in my lower back until I moved to my side.   I think I developed a ulcer in my sigmoid area. 
 
I am scare and wonder if anyone else has felt like this.  I feel like something is in my back cause pressure as well, but ulcer can do this to.
 
 

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   Posted 10/3/2009 12:57 PM (GMT -7)   
The bladder, ovaries and gut are all connected as far as inflammation is concerned, so inflammation in one causes inflammation in all of them. It could be any of the three responsible for your symptoms. The back sounds a bit like sciatica or a pinched nerve, possibly due to osteoporosis or a disk problem in your spine. The back problem could also be due to liver (gallstones) or kidney stones. You should get a doctor to work up your symptoms.

DeeRNC
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   Posted 10/3/2009 1:37 PM (GMT -7)   

I am a RN and know anatomy very well 4 years of it. My question was has anyone else experienced this back pain after a cleanse?

It's not in the gallbladder location. It near the intestines and sigmoid. 

 

Thanks


CrohnieToo
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   Posted 10/3/2009 5:03 PM (GMT -7)   
You are an RN and you do bowel cleanses??!!!

Okay, its your colon, your decision. Pardon my skepticism.

Inflamed, infected rectal crypts can cause lower back pain. And it can be mighty darn miserable lower back pain!

Do you happen to have Crohn's disease in your colon? Ulcerative Colitis?
Some people are like Slinkies... Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.


DeeRNC
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   Posted 10/3/2009 5:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Been a RN for 15 years plus been in holistic medicine since 2001 after attending Clayton College of Natural Health. Practice integrated health. Many mainstream doctors are not against colon cleanses.
 
Do I do colon cleanse, yes however, never had such a severe reaction to one as I have had lately.  I do have IBS.  I think I didn't monitor my symptoms as well I usually do and I cleansed became inflammed but kept cleansing, so I am at fault. Mostly all my cleanses go well with no issues. 
 
Thanks for posting

CrohnieToo
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   Posted 10/4/2009 3:16 AM (GMT -7)   
A lot of crohnies are first Dx'd w/IBS when they really have Crohn's disease. However, I would think that Crohn's in the colon or UC wouldn't fall into that category since the colon can be pretty well visualized w/a colonoscopy.
 
I wonder if an inflamed or infect diverticulum could also cause back pain. I KNOW an inflamed or infected rectal crypt can. Been there, done that - NO FUN!!


Some people are like Slinkies... Not really good for anything, but they still bring a smile to your face when you push them down a flight of stairs.

Post Edited (CrohnieToo) : 10/4/2009 4:19:16 AM (GMT-6)


DeeRNC
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   Posted 10/4/2009 6:28 AM (GMT -7)   
You  are very knowledgeable. You have first hand experience. Your right about it being anything even I know what you mean. Your right about referred pain. You've got a lot of things right already. I plan to go get worked up. I do have a kidney on the right side that sits low  almost on the pelvic.  It could be a stone. It could be it could be a ovarian cyst, and it could be a inflammed colon, also bladder IC. Could be back issues to. It could be or not sounds like William Shakesphere to be or not to be.  haha
 
 Nurses see so much all sorts of illness both old and new.   I worked as the head nurse totally calling all the shots in the Military hospital for years. Just when we think we know it all in medicine something new creeps up and something that sounds like a bad science fiction movie!  
 
Did you see 20/20 about the two woman not having the DNA in the blood, only in the organs.  It all got started when one woman got called in to the welfare office because she applied her boyfriend was not working and why she had to have a blood workup I do not know, but any how   for some reason they said she was committing fraud because her 3 kids did not match her DNA.  She was told her kids would be removed from her and she be jailed. She had her doctor verify that she did in fact have the kids. Then they said she was artificially inseminated.  Then they said she was raising someone else's kids it was a mess. She even had a new baby with the court appointed person in the delivery room and the blood was drawn and the DNA did not match.  A rare condition later discovered. It appeared she was a fraternal twin separate eggs and during early development the one twin somehow merge with the other to become one body with two DNA's. Her blood DNA was that of her twin and her organ DNA matched her kids, so they confirmed she was the mother of the children.  It happen again across the USA.  
 
So, just to say this you never know and even modern medicine sometimes misses stuff or doesn't know why a person is sick. I've seen so many misdiagnoses and drug related deaths from plain old prescriptions. Drugs have side effects long tern effects on the body so you take this wonderful cholesterol medicine it works, but 5 years later you discovered it has now melted your kidney's and you need dialysis to live, but lets not forget how expensive dialysis is some insurance won't pick you up until your 15% function. That is at death's door by then you had a few heart attacks because of excessive electrolytes and had a couple of strokes so on so forth .
I choose medicines when I need to, very little and most of time I work with natural medicine and do just fine. It is all about preference. In natural medicine you have to be mindful to and although  herbs have no long term side effects on the body, you can still take something that doesn't agree with your body.
 
Most of the doctors I work with are young and open to the idea of natural medicine and want to come on board.    Dr. Weil a well know TV and radio guru medical doctor and biologist is one of my mentors. He is so intellegent and believes we should stay away from as many chemical drugs as we can. He  is against children being treated for ear trouble type infections with so many antibiotics all that is going to cause is later on  a possible septic reaction, because the bacteria builds up resistances and all the antibiotics they use on kids will one day be the death of them.
 
Truthfully, I think the commercial brand of colon cleanse I used which was supposed to be natural was adulterated with harsh laxatives and possible chemicals.   Just because it says natural it doesn't always mean it, so you have to find a company that states all the ingredients which means calling them on the phone and getting a written list sent to you or make it yourself, because some companies who claim natural ingredients lie they can use fillers and chemicals, natural fragrance on many items is a  blanket  term for 100's of chemical's benzene, parabans, etc.,
 
Anyway, thanks for all you replies.

Post Edited (DeeRNC) : 10/4/2009 7:42:00 AM (GMT-6)


DeeRNC
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   Posted 10/5/2009 12:03 PM (GMT -7)   

Had a CT scan of abdomen and pelvis without constrast with noted ovarian cyst. It looks like I had large one it burst so they think caused the pain and then on the Left ovary I have a cyst that they say is small. No other issues.  Except I have atypical UTI.

 

SOOOOOOOOO the colon cleanse is in the clear for now.

 

 



pb4
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   Posted 10/5/2009 12:53 PM (GMT -7)   
My own experiance with lower back pain (which had me balling my head off with every bowel movement) was when my CD flare was severe, that was when I started with bee propolis, my lower back pain, bleeding and mucous all stopped as a result of the propolis then within days of starting the propolis my daily BM's cut way back too (I was going 30+ times a day with bleeding, excess mucous and severe lower back pain)...I've never done a colon cleanse (with the exception of doing preps for colonoscopies) and I don't plan to.

:)
bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~


DeeRNC
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   Posted 10/5/2009 1:16 PM (GMT -7)   
With BMs like yours a colon cleanse is not suggested.
Sounds like the colon is cleansing itself to much. Wow, glad you got relief. 

DeeRNC
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   Posted 10/17/2009 3:37 PM (GMT -7)   
I have been researching GI diseases and I started taking ozonated water, and food grade H2O2.  Please feel free to do the research yourself.
 
I threw away my tooth paste as I'd been using flouride free for years anyway, but I threw it away altogether it still contain aluminum which attaches itself to the intestines lining and may be linked in ulcerated colitis as well as other GI problems and has been a link in Alzhiemers disease.  I just use food grade h2O2 to brush my teeth with a drop of tea tree EO. 
 
I've felt so much better.  Even though I was diagnosed with ovarian cyst, and UTI.  I still felt I was suffering from GI issues also, so this what I have done for me.  As stated this is what I did for me and in no means am i suggesting anyone else to try it.

pb4
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   Posted 10/17/2009 7:49 PM (GMT -7)   
18 yrs ago when I first got DX I was in the docs office and I picked up a health magazine that had mentioned a possible link to crohn's and toothpaste...after I read that article I used baking soad for yrs but it didn't make any difference for me at least (generally, once the disease has been triggered then all you can hope for is remission, but for the majority flares will always be in the future at some point).

:)
bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~


pb4
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   Posted 10/17/2009 7:51 PM (GMT -7)   
I had severe lower back pain during my worst flares, with every BM (around 30+/day) I'd be balling on the toilet from the lower back pain I had...luckily I'm not prone to gut pain with my CD even during severe flares.

:)
bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~


DeeRNC
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   Posted 10/18/2009 5:32 AM (GMT -7)   
No disrespect but commercial brand baking soda contains metals and one is aluminum, sorry but you really did not change anything switching the products because it is the metals you need to remove from your body, the aluminum.  I use plain old distilled water or food grade  H2O2 with a drop of  kosher tea tree oil.
 
 
 

Post Edited (DeeRNC) : 10/18/2009 6:37:06 AM (GMT-6)


DeeRNC
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   Posted 10/18/2009 6:03 AM (GMT -7)   
Let me start by saying the research also says things about the silicon in the tooth paste as well. It focuses on the insoluble materials i.e. aluminum, titanium, and silicon which were all found in the lesions of Crohn's disease during this research. So basically these things are found also in pharmaceuticals. Not to mention if they took flouride out of schools for children and do not recommend it anymore why are company's still putting it in tooth paste a toxic waste product if you swallow your toothpaste you are getting a toxic dose.

This was suggested by Dr. Emanuel Libman years ago in the connection with the etiology of CD.
Later a British Group at St. Bartholomew's Hospital discovered the particles mention above  were found in the lesions of CD. So when you ingest a product you should research it as well switching one product for another that contains the same thing is not effective.  Yes I use baking soda to clean with but I use organic Redmalls.  However, I  am holistic so I use nothing but or try to be careful in choosing products sometimes I slip up and pay the price. 
 
This research is not done by fanatics it is done by medical people. 
 
Also, using underarm deodorant is not good either it contains aluminum and has also been linked to breast cancer.  Ever wonder why people are dropping off like flies it is called population control.
Poison us indescreetly. My great grand live a long time and her day you never heard of all these diseases, because we didn't put stuff in cans, used glass, and didn't put stuff in our products.
 
With anything you have take care H2O2 is rejected by many for being toxic yet it has healing properties. Really can't say that about aluminim.   I stated for me I use it and alternate with plain old water pick and distilled water.  I do not suggest anything here I am just providing info so do your own research!

Post Edited (DeeRNC) : 10/18/2009 8:00:06 AM (GMT-6)


Former58D
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   Posted 10/18/2009 6:50 AM (GMT -7)   
Ummmm...........OK.
"What can't be changed must be endured" - unknown

DX with distal Crohn's colitis Oct 2007, predominantly in rectum
Colozal (750mg): 3 pills 3xdaily
Cortifoam - 1 nightly
6MP - currently at 100mg and waiting for response......


DeeRNC
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   Posted 10/18/2009 7:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Now this is just what I do each month and I've been doing this stuff since 2001. I detox metals via chelating them out of my system the best way I can. Just because we cannot be 100 % perfect can we. I mean yes I buy as many organic things as I can and make the rest. I use no chemicals in my home to clean. I tried to be green long before it became a icon. However, in saying this this I like coke every now and then and we do get external exposure via other ways, but our homes can be as free as we make it allowing us to have some downtime without exposure 24/7. It is continued exposure long term with many substances that accumulate in the fat of our body that cause of illness. Good ole fat storage system, ha!
I am not a fanatic just someone who wants to be free of as much crap as I can. I eat store bought food to, but I also know it is not good for me, but what can I do, I detox is what I do. Some may laugh it is okay.

pb4
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   Posted 10/18/2009 11:17 AM (GMT -7)   
With all due respect DeeRNC, Crohn's disease has been around for a very long time, shamefully many people today have still not heard of it (or know what it is when they hear the name)....

Crohn's disease, a disease belonging to the larger group of inflammatory bowel diseases (IBD), is named after an American gastroenterologist, Dr. Burrill B. Crohn. Crohn's disease initially came to be known as a medical entity when it was referred to by Dr. Crohn, Dr. Leon Ginzburg, and Dr. Gordon D. Oppenheimer in 1932. The first description of this condition was earlier made by the Italian physician Giovanni Battista Morgagni (1682,1771) in 1769, when he diagnosed a young man with a chronic, debilitating illness and diarrhea.

Successive cases were reported in 1898 by John Berg and by Polish surgeon Antoni Lesniowski in 1904. In 1913, Scottish physician T. Kennedy Dalziel, at the meeting of the British Medical Association, described nine cases in which the patients suffered from intestinal obstruction. On close examination of the inflamed bowel, the transmural inflammation that is characteristic of the disease was clearly evident. Abdominal cramps, fever, diarrhea and weight loss were observed in most patients, particularly young adults, in the 1920s and 1930s. In 1923, surgeons at the Mt Sinai Hospital in New York identified 12 patients with similar symptoms. Dr. Burrill B. Crohn, in 1930, pointed out similar findings in two patients whom he was treating.

On May 13, 1932, Dr. Crohn and his colleagues, Oppenheimer and Ginzburg, presented a paper on Terminal Ileitis, describing the features of Crohn's disease to the American Medical Association. This was published later that year as a landmark article in the Journal of the American Medical Association with the title "Regional Ileitis: A Pathologic and Chronic Entity." The JAMA article was published at a time when the medical community was interested in new findings. The findings were given significant recognition, while the Dalziel article in the British Medical Journal of 1913 was not. It is by virtue of alphabetization rather than contribution that Crohn's name appeared as the first author. This was the first time the condition was reported in a widely-read journal, and the disease came to be known as Crohn's disease.

:)


bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~


DeeRNC
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   Posted 10/18/2009 12:00 PM (GMT -7)   
So you copied this off the internet. What does this have to do with what I am saying? I already know what CD is.  My thoughts were directed to the many ways to combat this GI illness whatever it's is label today CD, IBS. UC etc., I do for myself.  shocked I was commenting on your exchange of tooth paste for baking soda in retrospect to the research by Libman etc.,
 
Dr. Emanuel Libman (1872-1946) research
 
Thanks for the message.

Post Edited (DeeRNC) : 10/18/2009 1:18:08 PM (GMT-6)


MMMNAVY
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   Posted 10/18/2009 12:34 PM (GMT -7)   
1. You cannot advocate on this board and any further posts advocating colon cleanses to dx crohnies will be deleted.  Plus, there is alot of OT info that pretty much everyone knows if they are at all interested in their health and going green.  Just because something is natural does not mean it is always safe.   
2. As an RN you know that anything not from a recent peer review academic journal is pretty much not cool with those of us who have advanced degrees.
3. You have stated you feel better now and that you problem was basically an ovarian cyst. Did you get your CA-125 tested just in case?
4. If you still think there is a GI problem we encourage you to see your local health care provider for testing. Maybe a pill cam might be an basically non-invasive option if you are still concerned about ulcers.
5. Not to be rude, but this is a support board for people living with crohn's disease, the IBS board is down the forum a bit.


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Post Edited (MMMNAVY) : 10/18/2009 2:07:05 PM (GMT-6)


pb4
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   Posted 10/18/2009 1:02 PM (GMT -7)   
DeeRNC, my post above was in refernce to you saying that your great grand lived a long life and in her day never heard of all these diseases, I was just clarifying that IBD has been around for along time (including more than likely in your great grand's day)...not to mention there were many kinds of diseases/disorders eons ago that have been cured since, but Im sure as an RN, you'd know of those.

I agree that life-style today definitely is flawed, (I avoid processed junk all together and eat only whole, healthy foods) but that alone isn't going to make diseases disappear unfortunately and neither will colon cleansing.
 
I am a little surprise that as an RN you're such an advocate for colon cleansing though, since we all know the bowels cleans themselves naturally in the form of bowel movements, just like vaginal douching causes harm and no good since the vagina also cleanses itself naturally as well.

:)


bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~

Post Edited (pb4) : 10/18/2009 2:05:34 PM (GMT-6)


DeeRNC
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   Posted 10/18/2009 2:00 PM (GMT -7)   
I really did not advocate anything for anyone I spoke about myself only. I also stated natural methods could be troublesome as well. I came here to talk about stuff related to me as you see and for support. I stated what I researched never told anyone else to do anything.
 
Okay,  I see your regime below and you are not telling me to do this but you support or advocate the use of it  for yourself.  Anyway, I cannot do bee products they make me sick years ago my mom got on a kick using bee pollen etc., and took to much making her sick, but later she realized if I  could not take it she probably could not either do to some sensitivity. 
 
"bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues."
 
I have enjoy conversing on this site and I have learned a lot. wink   
 
Thanks
 

Post Edited (DeeRNC) : 10/18/2009 4:06:05 PM (GMT-6)


pb4
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   Posted 10/18/2009 3:51 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes, I agree, what you're saying is fair and I'm not trying to make it sound like you're pushing colon cleansing (or anything else for that matter) just commenting back on what you've written is all. Bottom line (as you know) all of us here are dealing with a crappy disease and experiances of others are always good to know, and it's up to all of us to weed out what we feel may not be safe/appropriate for us to experiment with.

This is a great support forum with alot of valuable info on it mostly based on each persons experiance, and I'm a firm believer that experiance is knowledge.

:)


bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~

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