Need some advice.. Specific carbohydrate diet.

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CareTaker22
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   Posted 10/14/2009 3:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi.

I am looking to go on the SCD diet but a liquid version. Does anyone on this forums know how to make a high calorie liquid diet? I want to develop a high calorie shake or smoothy that is SCD legal. My goal is to make a 700-1000 per drink. Any help would be greatly appreciated.

medchrt1
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   Posted 10/14/2009 6:34 AM (GMT -7)   
A carbohydrate is basic form is sugar. The SCD diet is a basic idea to eliminate sugar and long sugars like starch, but has reluctingly permitted some fruits (low in sugar but you still get sugar). So theoretically the drink can have a berry juice, but I think this diet is definitely leaning to the proteins, meat, fish, eggs. So why not call the SCD a high protein diet? Apart from whether the high protein diet is a good idea lets make a drink:
Basic calorie knowledge:
protein 4 calories per gram,
carbohydrate 4 calories per gram,
fats 9 calories per gram.
Without getting technical we can just go with the basic honey to sweeten the drink, since it is permitted, if tolerated…the question is where should all the calories come from. For the protein choices we have the eggs, fish say, salmon, (so an egg plus salmon slushie) Puree some salmon, say 100 grams (at 19 grams protein and 12 grams fat) we have: 19 grams protein x 4 calories per gram =76, 12 grams fat x 9 calories per gram= 108, 108+76 = 184 calories in 100 grams salmon. From egg white which is the higher protein of the egg than the yolk (3.6 grams/egg versus 2.7 grams/egg). 3.6 gram protein x 4 calories per gram = 14.4 calories from egg protein in single egg white. 2.7 * 4 =10.8. Then 14.4+10.8 = 25.2 calories in single egg (from protein only). Eggs not only have protein, they have Fat (lipid): eg. cholesterol (a lipid). You must determine the calories from the egg fats because you cannot remove the cholesterol from the egg. Fat has the most energy (9 calories per gram). we have 9 calories * (5 grams cholesteral or fat/egg) = 45, Then 45 + 25.2 = 70.2 calories in a single egg. Plus your honey, say 1 tablespoon (or about 13 grams carbohydrate) * 4 calories/gram = 53 calories. So 184 (salmon puree) +53 (honey) + 70.2 (egg) is about 307.2 calories. We can beef up the calories by adding more of each of above, like 2 eggs instead of just 1, or, we can find a ‘more’ permissible fat (triglyceride) such as from oil say 13 grams fat per tablespoon * 9 calories per gram = 120 calories in tablespoon oil (must determine what oils are permitted). Medium chain might be?

Permitted foods: “unprocessed meats, poultry, fish, shellfish, eggs, honey for sweetening (if tolerated), most fresh, frozen, raw or cooked vegetables, a variety of legumes, including dried navy beans, lentils, peas, split peas, unroasted cashews, and peanuts in a shell, all-natural peanut butter, lima beans, and string beans, cheeses such as cheddar, Colby, Swiss, havarti, and dry curd cottage cheese, and homemade yogurt fermented for at least 24 hours. Additionally, most fruits and nuts are allowed, as are most oils, tea, coffee, mustard, vinegar, and juices with no additives.”

http://www.ccfa.org/about/news/scd

so apparently oils are ok but need to verify which…let’s say some olive oil. Say 2 tablespoons at 120 calories each= 240 calories… 307.2 + 240 = 547.2 calories so far.

Is this ridiculous? actually not. With the salmon, egg, honey and olive oil you have some pretty decent choices. Sorry its not a very flavorable drink. But consider boiling the egg and putting all ,the salmon egg honey and olive oil on a plate, and you have an extremely good meal at 547.2 calories.

CareTaker22
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   Posted 10/14/2009 10:46 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks so much for your response, Just in case you are wondering why i want to go on a high calorie liquid diet. My theory is while SCD help kills the bacteria by starvation. A high calorie liquid SCD diet help heal the GI system but taking off the workload and allowing to gain weight.


By any chance do you know how to make a high calorie smoothie/flavor-able drink?
I want to start out with some easier to drink liquids then moving onto the hard core stuff.....

Again thanks for your response, i really appreciate it.

medchrt1
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   Posted 10/14/2009 11:09 AM (GMT -7)   
yea the problem is that most protein drinks and especially drink powder forms, use whey protein. I dont believe whey protein is approved in the SCD diet. so I would need to look at all the drinks and compare the permissable ingredients with the diet, so I guess that was your question. Its a good question and let you know if I come across a powder that doesn't use whey, but is high calorie protein based, egg-based powder might be the answer.

CareTaker22
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   Posted 10/14/2009 11:33 AM (GMT -7)   
Right now, im looking for a high calorie smoothie drink that is well over 500 calorie per drink. I want to stay away from powder form protein.

ivy6
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   Posted 10/14/2009 1:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Is there a reason you're doing SCD and not elemental feeding?
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EMom
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   Posted 10/14/2009 2:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Rider, he said he wants to stay away from "powder form protein".

I'm with medchart. I'm not sure you can achieve this and stay SCD legal. The home made yogurt of course is ideal for high protein smoothies, but Elaine recommends not consuming any more than 3 cups per day (something to do with the kidneys breaking down the galactose). Yes, there is egg protein powder, but I've heard it's expensive and to me begs the question, why not use the real thing? Jordan Rubin recommends a yogurt smoothie with a raw egg--claims he went into remission drinking just that. (He says the risk of salmonella is very slight and if you're concerned, wash the exterior of the egg shell just before cracking it. That's where the salmonella usually comes from!)

Maybe a combo of home made yogurt smoothies with some home made chicken/beef broth for added nutrition and protein?

Just my thoughts!
Mom to 17 year old son diagnosed in June, 2007.
Omega 3s, digestive enzymes, probiotics, vit. C, calcium, vit. D3, a good multivitamin and SCD legal yogurt
Started The Maker's Diet in Sept. '07. Incorporate Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) recipes, too. Med-free.
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spookyh
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   Posted 10/14/2009 2:23 PM (GMT -7)   
Elaine said, "Remember: SCD™ is not a low carb, high protein diet and those trying to make it one are perverting it." To read further about this, go to http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info/knowledge_base/kb/protein_requirements.htm

There are those who say they feel better on low carbs, but it's not a requirement of SCD. It's the type of carb that's limited on SCD, not the amount.

Here's a recipe for a high calorie smoothie at http://pecanbread.com/p/how/gainweight.html

Diane's smoothie recipe for gaining weight:

1 ripe banana
1/2 - 1 avocado
1/2- 1 cup SCD yogurt (optional)
1/2 cup Welch's grape juice or other juice
(I dilute the juice by adding in ice cubes)
optional for extra calories:
add-in Coconut oil, honey, or other fruit

Blend all together - yum!
34 years old, Crohn's disease for 15 of them
Resection of ileocecal valve on 09/22/09
Current Meds: Humira since 7/08, Pentasa, Effexor XR, Zyrtec
Supplements: 3 kinds of Fish Oil, Multi-Vitamin, B-Complex, Vitamins D, E, & K, Calcium, Magnesium, Enzymes
SCD since 12/01/08 - eating Stage 3 foods


ivy6
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   Posted 10/14/2009 2:33 PM (GMT -7)   
I just don't understand why CareTaker has set the parameters as he has.

It seems to me that, if he wants to go on liquids, it would be better to go on a liquid diet that has some clinical evidence behind it, such as elemental feeding, rather than fiddling with something like the SCD.

Ivy.
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CareTaker22
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   Posted 10/14/2009 3:38 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi.

Thanks to all that have responded, i am very grateful! What i am trying to do is mix SCD diet and High Calorie liquid ( staying with SCD legal items) into my daily life. I have looked into the the element diet and that basically what i want to in-cooperate. My ultimate goal is to have a full day of SCD mix with a liquid form which gives me allot of calories. I am trying to consume 3000-4000 calories a day. Here's is an example:

Monday

Breakfast-
Snack -
high calorie liquid form shake
lunch -
high calorie liquid form shake-
dinner-


My question is what do people usually drink on liquid diet?

I am still making research what is best for me. I do not want to go on any types of medication. My main focus is beat the disease with just diet and exercise. thanks all for helping me. I really appreciate it for your time. Thanks =]



1 ripe banana
1/2 - 1 avocado
1/2- 1 cup SCD yogurt (optional)
1/2 cup Welch's grape juice or other juice
(I dilute the juice by adding in ice cubes)
optional for extra calories:
add-in Coconut oil, honey, or other fruit

Smoothie sound great! i'm going to try that tonight! Thank you!

spookyh
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   Posted 10/14/2009 4:19 PM (GMT -7)   
You could also try drinking bone broths. They're supposed to be good for healing the gut, and are nutritious (especially if you can find some chicken feet or calves hooves to throw in there).

http://www.pecanbread.com/new/recipes/bonebroth.html

http://www.westonaprice.org/foodfeatures/broth.html
34 years old, Crohn's disease for 15 of them
Resection of ileocecal valve on 09/22/09
Current Meds: Humira since 7/08, Pentasa, Effexor XR, Zyrtec
Supplements: 3 kinds of Fish Oil, Multi-Vitamin, B-Complex, Vitamins D, E, & K, Calcium, Magnesium, Enzymes
SCD since 12/01/08 - eating Stage 3 foods


ExJohnson
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   Posted 10/15/2009 10:25 AM (GMT -7)   

IF you want to make that smoothie high calorie, then I would make yogurt out of half and half, that's got lots of fat in it.  And if you can get it locally, or organic, you don't have to worry about the fat so much.  It'll be good for you.  Coconut oil is a great addition.  For those who have been on the SCD for a long time, you are allowed to use Coconut milk.  I used to do a smoothie like this

One cup Coconut milk

One banana

one/or two eggs

blueberries

honey, ice, whatever else.  It's a good one. 


I am a pre-30yr. old who has been diagnosed with Crohn's for 14 years.  Symptoms change from cramping and weight loss to severe anemia with fatigue and diarrhea. 
100mg mecaptopurine, 40mg Prednisone, Darvocet for dessert.  Starting Cimzia this week (fingers crossed).

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