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MMac
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   Posted 11/11/2009 8:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi all - it has been a long time since i have been on the forum since my move back to Houston - and it has been quite stressful.  Had a question are gallbladder problems related to Crohn's Disease?
 
 

MMAC, Wife & Mother of 3 (16, 14 & 9) - Diagnosed w/CD June05 (terminal ileum)

Imuran (150mg), Prednisone (15mg), Cipro (1000mg)Lunesta (3mg), Phenergan (when needed) - Remicade as of 7/24/08


FunGuy
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   Posted 11/11/2009 9:20 AM (GMT -7)   
I suspect so but I don't know for sure. Question might be also whether it is the disease or the medications that cause the problem. I lost my gall bladder a few years back. I don't fit the profile of the typical gall bladder patient which is why I accuse my Crohn's.
I use FD&C Blue dye number 1 and it really seems to help me.  There is SCIENCE behind this.  Just ask me and I will explain it to you.  U/C and Crohn's for 34 years.  Blue dye for one month and I am feeling pretty good!  I am so excited by this but I need others to try it with their doctor's permission.  Simple food coloring!!  BLUE1.  
I can't make money on this, it's already in your kitchen.  I just want to help, especially the youngsters.
I do 2 drops in 6 ounces of water when I get up, 2 or 3 drops in 16 or 20 ounces of water that I sip all day and then 2 drops in 6 ounces of water at bedtime.   Max of 7 drops a day.


JavaJay
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   Posted 11/11/2009 9:35 AM (GMT -7)   

I had my gallbladder out about 4 years ago...and wasn't on any meds.  Doc said it was the worst looking one he had ever seen.  Most likely problems with it was caused by Crohn's.  Don't you just love CD..the disease that keeps on giving.

Good luck and feel better.  And in case your wondering...since having it taken out I have had no problems.


36 yr old Male with Crohn's Disease since '88 - No Surgery yet
 
Been on almost every type of drug with bad results
Remicade since Nov 2009


MMac
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   Posted 11/11/2009 9:58 AM (GMT -7)   
Thank you both Fun Guy and JavaJay. I have been in so much pain, in or out I just need some relief.
MMAC, Wife & Mother of 3 (17, 15 & 10) - Diagnosed w/CD June05 (terminal ileum)

Imuran (150mg), Prednisone (10mg), Lunesta (3mg), Zofran 4mg (when needed), Nexium 40mg and Remicade as of 7/24/08


spookyh
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   Posted 11/11/2009 12:38 PM (GMT -7)   
I had my gallbladder out 6 years ago. It was full of stones they said.
34 years old, Crohn's disease for 15 of them
Resection of ileocecal valve on 09/22/09
Current Meds: Pentasa, Effexor XR, Zyrtec
Supplements: 3 kinds of Fish Oil, Multi-Vitamin, B-Complex, Vitamins D, E, & K, Calcium, Magnesium, Enzymes
SCD since 12/01/08 - eating Stage 3 foods


Valerie3
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   Posted 11/11/2009 2:29 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm getting my gallbladder checked out next month, I suspect that I'm going to need mine out as well. I asked my doctor and she said that patients with Crohn's in their small intestines seem to be more likely to have gallbladder problems from her experience.

Carnival Huckster
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   Posted 11/11/2009 3:46 PM (GMT -7)   
If it was me, I would consider an alternative procedure such as gall bladder cleansing before having it surgically removed. On the other hand, if you have reached a point where you are in a great deal of pain the cleansing procedures may be too much for you to handle in which case you should have it taken out.

+ 34 year old male
+ Moderate-to-severe Crohn's Disease DX in 1997
+ Currently taking 9mg entocort and 40mg prozac
+ SCD for past 10 years
+ 4,000 mg MSM, Calcium, Vitamin D, and Multivitamin
+ Section in lower jejunum is badly strictured (5mm wide opening continues for 10cm!) but otherwise no other problems
+ No surgeries so far


AzJohnny
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   Posted 11/11/2009 5:16 PM (GMT -7)   
FunGuy

Hope you find that gallbladder real soon, 2 yrs is a long time.

MMac

My Dr. said Crohn's and gallstones go hand in hand. My gallbladder was "full of stones" when they dxed my Crohn's in 06.
AzJohnny
 
I feel a whole lot more the way I do now than I did a little while ago.


Homeboy
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   Posted 11/11/2009 11:26 PM (GMT -7)   
I had mine out in April, it was not a bad experience. I got to eat up until midnight, went into the hospital, had same day surgery, went home, and don't miss the thing.
Humira 2 times a month.
Lialda 2 X day
Imuran 200mg day
Phenergen PRN
Remeron 30mg day
Pain Meds


MikeB
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   Posted 11/12/2009 7:10 AM (GMT -7)   

Gall bladder disease is statistically more common in Crohns patients than in the population as a whole. Overall, there are "five Fs" that also point to gall bladder issues -- Female (it is more common in women), Fair (more common in caucasians), Fertile (more common in women who have given birth), Forty (more common past that age) and Fat (more common in those with weight issues . . . not that I am implying anything specifically here!)

The tests are relatively simple -- an ultrasound to look for stones, and a series of Xrays taken while you receive an IV solution that simulates a fatty meal to measure the ejection fraction, or the percentage and veolocity of bile being pumped from the gall bladder into the small bowel. An EJ under 35 or so is a clear indication of a bad gall bladder, regardless of the presence or absence of stones. The one big health issue with the gall bladder is the potential for it getting infected or from a stone blocking the bile duct, which can make you pretty darn sick in a big hurry and which is usually an indication for immediate surgery. Overall the best thing to do with a bad gall bladder is to get it out.


mj1966
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   Posted 11/12/2009 7:19 AM (GMT -7)   
Holy Crap! I definitely have those Five 5's!!! (Unfortunetly the last one I hate to admit, but it's there!!! ;) I'll have to look more into this.

JavaJay
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   Posted 11/12/2009 7:20 AM (GMT -7)   
MikeB said...

Gall bladder disease is statistically more common in Crohns patients than in the population as a whole. Overall, there are "five Fs" that also point to gall bladder issues -- Female (it is more common in women), Fair (more common in caucasians), Fertile (more common in women who have given birth), Forty (more common past that age) and Fat (more common in those with weight issues . . . not that I am implying anything specifically here!)

 

Don't know how scientific that is as I met only 2 F's - Fair and Fat.  I had mine removed in my early 30's and I am a man who has not given birth smilewinkgrin


36 yr old Male with Crohn's Disease since '88 - No Surgery yet
 
Been on almost every type of drug with bad results
Remicade since Nov 2009


bookgal77
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   Posted 11/12/2009 11:09 AM (GMT -7)   
I had mine removed a couple of years ago. Simple surgery - in and out of outpatient in just a few hours and a few days recuperating at home. Stopped the pain and overall a good decision for me. Surgeon said that it just disintegrated when he removed it.
**32 year old female; Diagnosed with ulcerative colitis in 2001; diagnosis changed to Crohn's disease in 2009 (but still only impacts colon)
**Asacol (4800 mg daily), 6-MP (100 mg daily), Prednisone (10 mg daily...for a few more weeks), Nexium (40 mg daily)
**Previous meds: Colazal (allergic); Flagyl (off and on for rectal inflammation); Rowasa (enemas only when needed); various pain meds (but luckily none lately); iron IV infusions (when hemoglobin gets low)
**Thankfully only two major flare-ups...2001 and 2009. Hoping to have another 8 years in between the next one (sadly, I do know there will be a next one).


spookyh
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   Posted 11/12/2009 3:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Female and Fair for me. I had it removed when I was 28.
34 years old, Crohn's disease for 15 of them
Resection of ileocecal valve on 09/22/09
Current Meds: Pentasa, Effexor XR, Zyrtec
Supplements: 3 kinds of Fish Oil, Multi-Vitamin, B-Complex, Vitamins D, E, & K, Calcium, Magnesium, Enzymes
SCD since 12/01/08 - eating Stage 3 foods


j_web
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Date Joined Nov 2009
Total Posts : 205
   Posted 11/12/2009 4:58 PM (GMT -7)   
What are the symptoms you all had of gallbladder problems?
CD since July 2007
 


FunGuy
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   Posted 11/12/2009 6:09 PM (GMT -7)   
Only thing that fits me is the forty. Dang thing had been hurting me for years. Wish I had known what was wrong so I could have gotten rid of it long ago. Finally hit me so bad that I was on the floor with high fever and racking pain. Couldn't even put on my socks. They did an MRI and the tech said "now watch on the screen when I give you this morphine the tube will open up an the dye will flow through....." She was so surprised when nothing happened. My gallbladder was too messed up.................

Unfortunately a few years later the pancreas is "unhappy". The doctor thinks it is medication related. I think the pancreas hurt as much or more but does it really matter.......Both felt like I was giving birth to a cow, with my current reproductive equipment..... lol Guy
Hey Johny, My gallbladder is lost but I'm not looking for it..... :)
I use FD&C Blue dye number 1 and it really seems to help me.  There is SCIENCE behind this.  Just ask me and I will explain it to you.  U/C and Crohn's for 34 years.  Blue dye for one month and I am feeling pretty good!  I am so excited by this but I need others to try it with their doctor's permission.  Simple food coloring!!  BLUE1.  
I can't make money on this, it's already in your kitchen.  I just want to help, especially the youngsters.
I do 2 drops in 6 ounces of water when I get up, 2 or 3 drops in 16 or 20 ounces of water that I sip all day and then 2 drops in 6 ounces of water at bedtime.   Max of 7 drops a day.


ZenaWP
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Date Joined Aug 2007
Total Posts : 884
   Posted 11/13/2009 10:47 AM (GMT -7)   
I had mine removed in 2000 (when I was 19) because it wasn't working at 100% and that was their best guess as to what was causing my abdominal pain (this was before they diagnosed my Crohn's).  Turns out, that wasn't the problem, but I think having it removed did help some with the abdominal pain.  I am female and fair, but was young then and underweight. 
Crohn's Disease, Acid Reflux/Gastritis, Hashimoto's Thyroiditis, Endometriosis, Arthritis, Depression/Anxiety.  Too many meds to list them all.  =) 

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