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   Posted 12/20/2009 11:29 PM (GMT -6)   
Building on the discussion in the Cause of IBD thread, this came to mind to me. I grew up in the mountains and definitely didn't live in a "sterile" environment, except maybe for my diet. I've heard raw milk tastes so much better but I've never tried it, and don't even know where to get it. I read about milk a long time ago and if I recall it's so completely sterilized it's like white water. I don't know if I could eat raw eggs! I've eaten rare meat, but never raw though I'm interested in trying steak tartare.
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Max Kane Farley believes unpasteurized milk saved his life.

The Chicago native, who goes by Max Kane, was diagnosed with the chronic digestive disorder Crohn's disease at age 10.

He suffered abdominal and joint pain. He had thin bones and only 110 pounds on his 5 foot 10 frame.

"I looked like someone who came out of a German concentration camp," Kane said.

After 13 years, he heard about the primal diet -- raw meat, raw eggs, raw milk. He gained 80 pounds, and his symptoms went away, he said. He hasn't needed medication or seen a doctor in five years.,0,6404527,full.story
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   Posted 12/20/2009 11:45 PM (GMT -6)   
FWIW I was drinking unpasteurized milk on a dairy when I first got my ibd symptoms.

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   Posted 12/21/2009 9:16 AM (GMT -6)   
I'll pass, if you want to try go for it, but I won't be eating any stuff like that. Gross!
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   Posted 12/21/2009 10:06 AM (GMT -6)   
Raw eggs ?? not a good idea. Old Sam and Ella can grow in them and you wont know until too late. I dont think its the pasteurizing of milk that is bad, its the homogenizing. The body does not know what to do with milk in this state. Also , corn sugar,,,another thing the body does not deal with well. Down here , meat is eaten raw or stuffed under a log until it starts to decompose and tenderize before it is eaten. Of course it is only the meal of choice for gators...
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   Posted 12/21/2009 10:52 AM (GMT -6)   
I think I'd rather suffer from my CD symptoms the try to swallow raw meat or eggs.
On that note, in an article I read in 2007, it said that 20 yrs ago the FDA banned interstate sales of unpasteurized milk. Still, individual states determine how raw milk is bought and sold within their borders. Its sale for human consumption is illegal in 15 states.  New York is one of the states where it  can be bought WITH restrictions.
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   Posted 12/21/2009 12:58 PM (GMT -6)   
It is illegal in Canada to sell unpasteurized milk,l as far as I know.
33 y/o male. Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

Current meds: Humira 2/27/09. Proferrin iron pills.

Tried SCD, didn't work, now avoiding gluten and dairy.

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   Posted 12/21/2009 3:54 PM (GMT -6)   
Bad, bad, bad, idea.  Raw milk -- and a lot of other dairy for that matter -- has been casually linked to Crohn's via MAP.  If you want to explore the sanitation premise I recommend trying helminthic therapy.  Best, CH

+ 34 year old male
+ Crohn's Disease DX in 1997
+ Recently hospitalized because of ruptured small bowel; docs got it under control but have scheduled resection surgery for January 2010.
+ Taking Cipro (1000mg / day), Flagyl (1500mg / day), and Entocort (9mg / day) until surgery
+ SCD for past 10 years

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   Posted 12/21/2009 4:01 PM (GMT -6)   
When I was a kid, any time my sister or I were sick, my mother would give us homemade eggnog as one of our comfort foods. This was just raw eggs, milk and sugar whipped together. If we were both getting over something at the same time, we would stick our straws into the mixing bowl and drink from opposite sides. Of course the eggs were farm fresh, so probably a bit better than what we get today. But still not really something the FDA would recommend, but it sure did taste good.

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Managing with strict low residue diet, keeping symptoms to a minimum. All test show small amount of ulceration, still have occasional blockages. But still have a great time with my 2 daughters and husband!

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   Posted 12/21/2009 4:35 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't know how homogenization would cause problems--it's just a physical process akin to shaking up unhomogenized milk.

I know people in the Orient that eat RAW CHICKEN and they never apparently get sick from it.

Salmonella is really rare in eggs, but it does occur.
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   Posted 12/22/2009 12:09 AM (GMT -6)   
GDen the premise is that homogenization suspends the butter fats so they cant separate, thus not floating to the top. The body cant separate them either, so it stores them..
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   Posted 12/22/2009 12:59 AM (GMT -6)   
Homogenization makes little bubbles of milk wrapped in butterfat/cream. These bubbles do not digest in the stomach because fats are mostly digested in the small intestines. It is not fatal, but it does slow down the SI while the milk sugars and proteins are processed. It also feeds bacteria in the SI if you have problems like that. There are some who figure that some enzymes in milk which are normally broken down in the stomach cause problems in the SI or even that they are absorbed into the blood where they wreak havoc. I don't know if I entirely believe that though.

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   Posted 12/28/2009 5:03 PM (GMT -6)   
I just read the Chicago Tribune article and found it interesting. Max Kane has a blog that can be found here:

I dont think I could eat raw eggs or beef or chicken, but my mind is open to learn why this man says this diet reversed his Chrohn's Disease...

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   Posted 12/28/2009 7:10 PM (GMT -6)   
Just in looking at the quoted part of the article- I call coincidence on that diet and the CD going away.
There's so much not good in eating like that. First off- I'm against milk anyway. As humans, we don’t drink the lactation of our mothers past infancy where it ceases to be beneficial. I disagree that the lactation of another species is as beneficial as the Dairy Famer’s Lobby wants us to think. But that’s a whole other argument, I suppose. Either way, our systems do best with more easily digestible food- raw food, meat, etc is NOT easy to digest at all. This is why a lot of us go on bland food when we’re flaring to give our systems a rest.

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   Posted 1/13/2010 8:42 PM (GMT -6)   
I asked my gastro about this and he definitely did not recommend consuming raw milk, meat, or eggs, since Crohnies are more susceptible to salmonella, E coli, etc., and such bugs will also hit us harder.
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