Day 3 of SCD and struggling

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basil
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   Posted 1/5/2010 7:33 AM (GMT -7)   
So I decided to give SCD another try after a failed attempt last year. I did the intro diet for 2 days. Yesterday, Day 2 of the intro diet I was starving all day even though I ate 2 eggs for breakfast, broiled chicken for lunch with another egg, broiled fish and 2 more eggs for dinner. I went to bed starving! All night I was tossing and turning and started feeling nauseous. This morning I'm still feeling nauseous, weak, shaky, and I can feel my heart pounding in my chest. I ate some SCD yogurt with honey and banana for breakfast, which helped me feel a bit better, but I still may need to call in sick for work.
I've always had strong reactions to skipping a meal, so I wonder if I'm just not getting enough calories and this is making me weak. I want to continue with this diet, but I'm really struggling right now- and I'm only on Day 3! It's hard to feel so bad, knowing I would probably feel much better (at least in the short-run) if I just had some carbs :(

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   Posted 1/5/2010 7:38 AM (GMT -7)   
Aww hugs to you! I don't follow this diet, but have heard that its really difficult in the beginning and gets better within time. I follow a low residue diet and it works good for ME.   I like you, have to eat every few hours or else I get really really nauseous, then things just go from bad to worse for me if I don't eat quickly enough.  Good luck!


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Post Edited (Nanners) : 1/5/2010 7:41:46 AM (GMT-7)


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   Posted 1/5/2010 7:42 AM (GMT -7)   
Like Nanners i dont follow the diet either..i eat my safe foods n sometimes not lol..but i pay...i hv also heard this is hard at first so you will have to bear with it if you really want to follow it..not trying to b rude hun just realistic..keep us posted k ,,,lyn

have been finding that if i dont eat a few times a day now i get severe headache..n some nausea

i am sure others on this diet will post to you with some input/help


                          
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spookyh
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   Posted 1/5/2010 9:11 AM (GMT -7)   
What you're feeling is very common for the first days of the diet. Most people feel like they're starving. As the bacteria and yeast are dieing, they have a way of influencing their host to eat something (starch/sugar) that will feed them (there was a good article about this at the NYTimes website, but I can't find it right now). And then there is the die off symptoms. The dead yeast and bacteria release toxins into your system, which explains your nausea. Hang in there, it will pass. Soaking in a Epsom salt bath is quite helpful. Drink lots of water too.

Here's a link to the symptoms a person can have at the beginning of the diet, and things that can be done about it: http://pecanbread.com/p/how/temporarysymptoms.html

"List of possible die off temporary symptoms: Most children will not exhibit all these symptoms.. A few people don't have significant symptoms or may not notice any symptoms.

* Flu Like Symptoms
* fever
* extreme hunger
* nausea and vomiting.
* dizziness
* achy joints and back
* change in bowels (diarrhea or constipation)
* strange skin rashes
* runny nose and funny cough
* headaches
* behavior changes/irritability/tantrums/short tempered
* sleep disturbances

Things you can do to make it more tolerable:

* It is important to note that the die-off reaction is an inflammation response brought on by the increase in bacterial toxins. Epsom Salt soaks in a warm tub
* Activated Charcoal Capsules for a brief time. Do not take it during meal times or within 2 hours of medications and supplements.
* Green tea has an incredible ability to neutralize some of the harmful effects from bacterial toxins. You might want to drink green tea before starting SCD and during the initial stage of SCD until the die of reactions subside.
* Chicken soup and bone broths have natural anti-inflammatory properties. This is important because the die off reaction is an inflammation response brought on by the increase in bacterial toxins. Click here to view recipes and info about the benefits of chicken soup and bone broths.
* Drink 1/4 teaspoon baking soda with a pinch of salt in a glass of water as needed (on an empty stomach). As the bacteria die off the toxins cause your pH to become acidic which makes you feel much worse. The baking soda buffers the acid. (Catherine Tamaro)
* You can also use the electrolyte drink to help prevent dehydration: Recipe for the electrolyte drink
* Slowing down the introduction of enzymes (some call this the "low and slow" method.
* Going slower in the introduction of the SCD probiotics and yogurt. You should wait before introducing these if you have a strong die-off symptoms (www.pecanbread.com has ideas on introducing this yogurt)
* Following the directions for the introductions of foods. Click here to view chart for the gradual introduction of foods."
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basil
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   Posted 1/5/2010 10:40 AM (GMT -7)   
Thank you for your responses! I'm feeling a bit better now, and I'm glad I stuck with it. Hopefully it will get easier now. i ended up calling in sick to work, so i'm going to take advantage of having this time to cook and load up on legal foods.

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   Posted 1/5/2010 11:50 AM (GMT -7)   
GLAD YOU GOT SOME GREAT INPUT..LYN        KEEP US POSTED ON HOW YOU ARE DOING K ..


                          
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Post Edited (Howlyncat) : 1/5/2010 8:53:42 PM (GMT-7)


newfoundsun
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   Posted 1/5/2010 11:56 AM (GMT -7)   
Keep strong!  I've been on the diet since Nov. 14th.  One of the staples I ALWAYS have it is a big pot of chicken soup, like what one of the other posters said.  It is great when I'm not feeling well, or just to take some hunger off.  I eat this soup at least once a day, with the SCD yogurt and fruit for a lot of the other times.  :)
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snappy
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   Posted 1/5/2010 2:40 PM (GMT -7)   
I don't mean to hijack the thread but I am confused. I never experienced any kind of die off symptoms. I have also had very limited success with three months of this diet (although the weight loss makes me feel great!). I am actually relapsing the last two weeks. I wonder if this bacterial overgrowth was ever my problem since I never experienced the die off symptoms and am not getting better?
I don't have the typical gut symptoms (just rectal) so maybe that's why I never had the die off symptoms. Or maybe it's because I always ate my daily yogurt, although it was "illegal" yogurt at the time.
 
As for the diet, I've never had to go hungry. There is a huge amount of good food to choose from that is legal. I can understand if you can't tolerate certain foods but this IS NOT A STARVATION DIET! I run marathons on this diet.
 
Peanut butter apples are delicious and make a great legal snack.
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spookyh
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   Posted 1/5/2010 2:50 PM (GMT -7)   
If you're relapsing, you've probably hit the "3 month flair." I didn't have initial die off symptoms (with the exception of increased hunger), but I did have the 3 month flair. It was shortly after that (around 4 months) that my fistulas healed and my constipation went away. Hang in there, and give it another 3 months before you give up on SCD.
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Resection of ileocecal valve on 09/22/09
Current Meds: LDN, Pentasa, Effexor XR, Zyrtec
Supplements: 3 kinds of Fish Oil, Multi-Vitamin, Vitamin D, Calcium, Magnesium, Coconut Oil, Garlic Oil, CoQ10, Enzymes
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snappy
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   Posted 1/5/2010 2:52 PM (GMT -7)   

Thank you Spooykhurst. I'm still a believer, just frustrated! I'm not going to stray afer all this hard work.

And to be completely honest, I've cheated maybe 4 times. meaning I ate a hamburger 3 times and a bbq sandwich another. No more of that!!!!!


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newfoundsun
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   Posted 1/5/2010 3:32 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes, thanks spooky!  I am glad to know about the 3 month mark.  I am experiencing a *small* flare right now, 1.5 months into it.  I will stay strong and stay the course as well!
 
BTW:  The peanut butter cookies and brownies are pretty good!  Especially when you haven't had any sweets for a while.  :)
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sickandlucky
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   Posted 1/5/2010 3:35 PM (GMT -7)   
I have started the SCD during bad flare ups and can never quite stick with it! I'd love to be able to but it's so restrictive... so right now I'm just going with a mostly low residue diet, eating other things I can tolerate and cutting out things I can't. Diet is so complicated for us crohnies!
Good luck with the diet and I hope these initial symptoms ease up for you!
female 19, diagnosed crohns december 2008
entocort/pentasa previously, now prednisone & imuran, probiotics, calcium w/d, digestive enzymes & prenatal multivitamin


basil
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   Posted 1/5/2010 4:57 PM (GMT -7)   
sickandlucky- diet is so complicated! I've never been able to see a clear correlation between any particular foods and symptoms for me.(which the exception of indian food which always gives me a stomach ache) Not to say I don't think diet is incredibly important, but I think for me it's more complicated than being simply dairy or gluten, etc. So hoping SCD will help since it covers such a range.
I think it will get easier and I will feel less hungry now that I've stopped the intro diet. I made "mac and cheese" today with a spaghetti squash substituting for pasta- not quite the same thing, but not bad!
and regarding the symptoms spookyhurst posted above- i was having a few of them, including tantums :) much to my husband's chagrin :)

spookyh
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   Posted 1/5/2010 5:56 PM (GMT -7)   
Pre-SCD, I didn't really feel any foods bothered me (with the exception of maybe french fries). Nothing caused overt symptoms anyway. But once I went SCD, I had a variety of ailments clear up (like those stupid fistulas). I'm not sure what the big offender was. Probably sugar or gluten.

A mac and cheese recipe that's supposed to be really good was posted at the yahoo BTVC group. Here it is, along with someone's modification:

One recipe idea I can give you as my husband really missed his
rice and ptoatoes in the begining. we get the dry curd cottage cheese
(about one cup), mix one egg 1/2 cup almond flour, salt, pepper, and
then grate cheddar cheese (about 1/2.cup) and mix all together.
Butter a small crock dish (personal pan size). Put the mixture in,
grate a little more cheese on top. Bake at 350 for about 15 minutes
or until it is lightly browned on top. It turns out like baked mac
and cheese. We all love it. Your husband may not be able to tolerate
it right away but try it once he starts to heal. It has become a main
staple for my husband as a side dish.
I hope this helps.
Genine

I modified it a bit;
before cooking- i added a layer of parmesean cheese on the top like
2/3 of a cup, i covered in with tinfoil cooked for 15 minutes and than
i removed the foil and i cooked it even further under the broiler
until it turned a nice golden brown and got all bubbly, crunchy,
carmelized and delicious. a real treat!

who knew i could cook?

jodi
34 years old, Crohn's disease for 15 of them
Resection of ileocecal valve on 09/22/09
Current Meds: LDN, Pentasa, Effexor XR, Zyrtec
Supplements: 3 kinds of Fish Oil, Multi-Vitamin, Vitamin D, Calcium, Magnesium, Coconut Oil, Garlic Oil, CoQ10, Enzymes
SCD since 12/01/08 - eating Stage 3 foods


spookyh
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   Posted 1/5/2010 10:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Forgot to mention one other thing to the new people. Cooked/peeled/deseeded fruits and veggies are easiest to digest, so save the raw stuff for when you're feeling better (with the exception of ripe banana and avocado, which are okay raw). Dried fruits/veggies are harder to digest then raw, so save those babies for way down the line. Same goes for beans and lentils, they're for advanced SCDers.

Not everyone can handle dairy, even with the lactose gone. If cow products bother you, try goat (or sheep, if you can find it). If goat bothers you too, then your body probably just doesn't like casein.

Almond butter and pecan butter are easiest to digest, and peanut butter and cashew butter are hardest. The nut butters are, of course, easier to digest then the nut flours. Be careful not to eat too many nut goods, as that's one of the biggest reasons for SCD not working for people. Coconut flour is supposed to be harder to digest then nut flours (it has lots of fiber), but some people who can't handle nuts say they do great with the coconut.

If diarrhea is a problem, try cutting out eggs for a little while to see if it helps. Alternatively, you could try cooking them a different way. Some people say they'll do fine with one form (say, scrambled) but can't handle another (say, hard cooked).

And lastly, be careful with fat when you start out. Some people do fine with it, but others need to work up to it. Try roasting and broiling your meats before you get into frying them.
34 years old, Crohn's disease for 15 of them
Resection of ileocecal valve on 09/22/09
Current Meds: LDN, Pentasa, Effexor XR, Zyrtec
Supplements: 3 kinds of Fish Oil, Multi-Vitamin, Vitamin D, Calcium, Magnesium, Coconut Oil, Garlic Oil, CoQ10, Enzymes
SCD since 12/01/08 - eating Stage 3 foods

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