Can you guys analyse my diet.... What am I doing wrong???

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UC21
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   Posted 1/15/2010 10:42 PM (GMT -7)   
When living at home

Breakfast= 2 Bananas

Lunch=Turkey Sandwich with Honey Mustard

Snack=Protien Shake

Dinner= Either Salmon and Rice or BBQ Chicken Sandwiches and rice

Snack=Protien Shake

Snack= Half a box of saltines, If I'm hungry i'll have some rice cakes and if i'm feeling good i'll have some pita chips...


When living at school

Breakfast=Ensure shake

Lunch= Grilled Chicken Sandwich with honey mustard

Dinner= Rice and Turkey Sandwich with Honey Mustard

Snack= Protien Shake

Snack= 2 Bananas

Snack=3 soft Philly Pretzels with Honey Mustard

Back when I was doing good (bout 3 weeks ago)

Breakfast=Egg sandwich with High Fiber Bread

Snack= Protien Shake

Lunch= Turkey Sandwich with Honey Mustard

Snack= Banana/cookie

Dinner= Chicken Pot Pie (buttery crust ), baked potato, broccoli

Snack=Protien Shake

Snack= A ton of Pita Chips (yum), cookies, whatever...

Post Edited (UC21) : 1/15/2010 10:46:15 PM (GMT-7)


LMills
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   Posted 1/15/2010 10:49 PM (GMT -7)   
Notable problem items I saw: Honey mustard, bbq sauce, high fiber (if you're flaring), broccoli, and possibly the pita chips.

I would also check the ingredients on the pretzels and cookies, though plainer types are okay.

This is all based on loose guidelines, however. Everyone is different so I cannot say for sure, but the items listed above have given people problems. I was okay in moderation and well cooked on the vegetables, but too much during the day or too many days in a row caused some very painful problems. These are also only okay when I am closer to remission than flaring.
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UC21
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   Posted 1/15/2010 10:57 PM (GMT -7)   
LMills said...
Notable problem items I saw: Honey mustard, bbq sauce, high fiber (if you're flaring), broccoli, and possibly the pita chips.

I would also check the ingredients on the pretzels and cookies, though plainer types are okay.

This is all based on loose guidelines, however. Everyone is different so I cannot say for sure, but the items listed above have given people problems. I was okay in moderation and well cooked on the vegetables, but too much during the day or too many days in a row caused some very painful problems. These are also only okay when I am closer to remission than flaring.



What about bananas and Apple Sauce??? I know the have fiber, but isn't soluble fiber okay??

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   Posted 1/15/2010 11:33 PM (GMT -7)   
It's a bit hard for us to analyse your diet when we don't know how severe your disease is and where it is located. You're also likely to get people from various dietary persuasions analysing your diet from *their* point of view, but that doesn't necessarily mean that their recommendations will be suitable for you.

That said, my point of view :-) is that you're not eating a very balanced diet. You don't seem to eating much fruit or veg, and I think that will cause you trouble sooner or later. Nutrition is important!

Bananas are good, if they work for you, though you're likely to get some criticism for the SCD folks because it is a starchy food. Whether you choose to follow their advice or not is up to you.

Apple sauce is definitely worth trying. Remember, start with small amounts and see if you can tolerate it, then build up from there.

Avocados might work for you, as might peeled, stewed pears. You can peel, cook then puree other root vegetables, such as carrots. You might also be able to make or buy some good quality fruit or vegetable juices - be careful to avoid juice with bits in it, though. Smoothies are also worth thinking about, imo.

I'm not quite sure what the system is like for you at school, but if you can have sandwiches made to order, you might like to try having avocado spread on your bread instead of mustard, and asking for some chargrilled red capsicum (I think you call it red pepper?) on your sandwich. You might find that you can tolerate capsicum served that way, as long as you open up your sandwich and pick the skins off before you eat it.

Soups might work for you too, especially if they are pureed.

I hope this helps.

Ivy.
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Trigirl
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   Posted 1/15/2010 11:58 PM (GMT -7)   
I agree that there isn't enough fruits and veggies. Cooked is always easier on the gut. nutrition guidelines are available from different places and find it on the internet too.

Keep trying different things to find variety. Good luck.
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pb4
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   Posted 1/15/2010 11:58 PM (GMT -7)   
I won't eat/drink anything processed (that includes sauces like BBQand honey mustard unless I make honey mustard sauce myself, not pre-made)....I don't eat crackers/rice cakes (cuz they're processed foods), all I eat is fresh meat (nothing frozen like those froen dinners or anything), fruits/veggies, nuts, seeds, popcorn (but I don't use butter as it's an animal fat, I use extra virgine olive oil for my popcorn and pretty much my meats and veggies too.

:)
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vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
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medchrt1
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   Posted 1/16/2010 12:00 AM (GMT -7)   
you are going to get hundred different answers...you do well just eliminating the ensure at the start of day as this alone, is just to potent to begin the day. you will probably draw out your water from your system and get D all day.
the cautionary intakes are:
bananas, too much potassium, try not to influence your potassium so much with a high potassium food in a single shot, (a pinch of salt on the turkey sandwich will be fine)
same with the protein shake, as the shake alone is very potent , so a better combo of the above is gatorade plus a natural protein such as the turkey. then the salmon for lunch.
so then you can sip some of the protein shake with the pot pie and the veggies if you tolerate them for dinner. A problem food is the gluten, so the soft pretzel is a no no, defintely not 3.
careful with yeast on any bakery such as the cookie and any excessive raw sugar in it. some of the high fiber breads are also excessive in gluten,, just because it says high fiberthe excessive gluten is just too high to have this bread so check it.

UC21
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   Posted 1/16/2010 12:26 AM (GMT -7)   
What is a good breakfast to start the day??

pb4
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   Posted 1/16/2010 12:31 AM (GMT -7)   
Based on what medchrt says about the being careful with baked cookies and such, think about the chicken pot PIE which the pie part falls right into that catagory...

I personally wouldn't recommend Gatoraid but instead pedialyte, Gatoraid has too much sugar and junky stuff and could really be an upset to an IBDers gut.

I eat tons of bananas almost daily and on a regular basis, it's important to keep your potassium levels in check, so if eating bananas are easy on your gut then go for it...but I would also try and add some more fruit and veggie varieties into your diet...even while flaring some fibre is still necessary, it helps sweep the bowels clean of bad bacteria...the only ones that should be a little more cautious with fibre are those that are stricturing/blockaging crohnies, but even they need some fibre daily.

:)
bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~


pb4
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   Posted 1/16/2010 12:32 AM (GMT -7)   
I usually have a yogurt smoothy made with plain yogurt, banana and a splash of pure orange or pineapple juice to start my day.  For me, I find it filling enough to tie me over and if I start to get a little hungry sometime after that I'll snack on nuts, fruits.


:)


bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~


medchrt1
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   Posted 1/16/2010 12:38 AM (GMT -7)   
turkey (protein); pear (low glycemics) for the sugar,  you can spread some olive oil on the bread prior to toasting, for the fat. choice of drink.
btw protein burns fat so more fat need more protein

ivy6
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   Posted 1/16/2010 1:03 AM (GMT -7)   
As far as fruit goes, you might find that things like rockmelon (cantaloupe), watermelon and honeydew are gentle on the gut, esp if you puree them in a smoothie.

I say *might* because these, like all foods, *may* give you some problems, so take it gently.

I really do think the best thing you can do is eat as varied a diet as your gut will allow, and doing some trial and error for yourself to work out what works for you and what doesn't. Once you know this, you will have a better idea of whether gluten is a problem for you, or starch, or sugar, or dairy, or processed foods, or none of the above: these things can be very individual.
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Illini
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   Posted 1/16/2010 5:23 AM (GMT -7)   
I would recommend that you buy a DAILY planner and keep a detailed food diary (want a daily planner so you can write things in hour-by-hour). Write down what you ate, how you are feeling, when you have BMs and what they are like, etc. and eventually you should be able to make connections. Because it really is a trial-and-error process. I did this for a year and it helped me to figure out foods to avoid and that I should not eat late night or eat large meals. If your symptoms are mostly in the morning, I would also recommend not eating dinner (or really anything) after about 7-8 PM.

For breakfast I typically have either organic yogurt, oatmeal, or a can of Ensure. Sometimes with fresh fruit and a glass of juice (OJ or cranberry).
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Nanners
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   Posted 1/16/2010 7:42 AM (GMT -7)   
This is a subject you are going to get MANY different opinions. For the most part your diet sounds pretty good "to me". I question the barbeque sauce and the pot pies as those are probably filled with preservatives, especially if the pot pie is store bought. I follow a low residue diet all the time and that works well for me and that sorta sounds like a low res diet. I eat much the same as yourself as for me at least I cannot tolerate alot of the veggies unless cooked to total mush as I am one of the Crohnies with stricturing Crohns like PB4 mentioned, so I do have to limit my fiber, but a little is okay. I am thinking of going back to some oatmeal in the morning, its good fiber and seems to agree with most of us and also helps to firm up loose stools for some. You might want to try the oatmeal first in the morning, the drink the ensure with it. I also like Gatorade, as it works REALLY well for ME. Even my GI said its a good drink to sip on all the thru the day. I don't suffer with d so the sugar does not both me, I also personally disagree with the comment above that its junk, its helped me thru some rough days. Hope that helps a little. I personally think your diet is okay with only a few minor changes. But I like Illini's thought of keeping a food diary.

Hugs!

PS:  I do fine with mustard myself


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LMills
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   Posted 1/16/2010 9:38 AM (GMT -7)   
UC21 said...
LMills said...
Notable problem items I saw: Honey mustard, bbq sauce, high fiber (if you're flaring), broccoli, and possibly the pita chips.

I would also check the ingredients on the pretzels and cookies, though plainer types are okay.

This is all based on loose guidelines, however. Everyone is different so I cannot say for sure, but the items listed above have given people problems. I was okay in moderation and well cooked on the vegetables, but too much during the day or too many days in a row caused some very painful problems. These are also only okay when I am closer to remission than flaring.



What about bananas and Apple Sauce??? I know the have fiber, but isn't soluble fiber okay??


I used to eat organic apple sauce in small amounts, and bananas are part of the BRAT diet if I'm not mistaken. That diet alone was one of the first things suggested to me here.

Honestly, like a lot of others have said, I would keep a food diary. It may not yield anything conclusive at first, but it does help in the long run.

Cutting down on sugar, and foods with preservatives and additives has helped me, but you have to test it for yourself. I cannot say for sure whether or not it would help you. I'm just of the mind it's generally better to avoid these things.

If you're having trouble with fruits and vegetables, then try cooking them and/or mixing them in a smoothie to help with digestion. If you can tolerate a multivitamin then try it!! Prenatal vitamins are known to be gentler on the stomach while still providing a good source of iron. Personally, I couldn't tolerate normal multivitamins. Just too hard on the gut.

If you're interested, try looking into the SCD diet, Maker's Diet, etc. Some people have found success with one of these. In my case, I tried the SCD, and I found my own guidelines and diet based off of it so that I'm starting to find a pretty good place with Crohn's. I ate kashi cinnamon wheat cereal yesterday with whole milk, and I had VERY little stomach upset. It's just one step at a time!!!

ALSO, on the oatmeal which others have suggested, if you can't do regular oatmeal then try infant's oatmeal. It's pretty tasty, and it isn't quite so hard on the system.

I know it's a lot to read through since we all have different opinions, but the most important thing I think is to try to eat as healthy as possible (I know junk foods are hard to resists), treat yourself well, keep a diary, and feel free to ask any questions. The fact that you're taking initiative on your diet is really wonderful, and I wish you the best of luck!!
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Currently taking for Crohn's: Pentasa, omeprazole, Loestrin birth control, and Align probiotics.
Also taking Amitryptaline, hydroxizine, prosed DS, and hydrocodone for Interstitial cystitis.
I do keep a blog of my experiences and mishaps with these diseases. See profile :)
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FunGuy
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   Posted 1/16/2010 11:46 AM (GMT -7)   
There might be nothing wrong with your diet. As someone said above a food diary is a good idea to see what bothers YOU. We have much in common but we are also individuals
 


njmom
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   Posted 1/16/2010 2:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Ivy is right. There's not enough fruits and vegies...try for two vegies at lunch and dinner. It looks like at home you are getting zero vegies. My daughter does fine with all vegies, except spinach. We got into the habit of overcooking vegies when she had a stricture, so we tend to still cook vegies until they are very soft.
 
Raw vegies like carrots are probably not a good idea. 
 
 
Daughter (22) Dx'd Crohn's 3/06. Misdiagnosed for two years, including by top pediatric Crohn's specialist as stress. No symptoms for the past two years. Recent colonoscopy shows stricture gone but still two spots of inflammation in TI. Used LDN to taper off Entocort. Was on Entocort since April 06. Never had D. 4.5 mg LDN, SCD multivit, homemade yogurt, 5000IU vit D3, 500 mg calcium, 27 mg iron, monthly B12 shots, daily oral B12 1000. SCD diet modified to include potatoes and rice. 


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   Posted 1/16/2010 3:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Keep a detailed food diary and try to figure out what you're reactions are to different nutritions.

Why not read this book to learn more about what food you could eat to avoid abdominal discomforts like bloating, gas, pain, nausea, tiredness and a lot of other symptoms.
The book is written by
Ph.D Dr. James Scala, a specialist in nutriotion, he guides us if we're having ileitis, colitis, Crohn's disease or other inflammatory bowel diseases. Title: The New Eating Right for a Bad Gut.

Personally I have chosen to try a gluten free diet, I started it three weeks ago, and it seems to help me a lot.
Because:
For years I have noticed that every time I had been eating cakes or pastas that I got really a lot of gas problems and other discomforts, diarrhea and sometimes nausea. I have had a craving for everything that is made of wheat. I decided to stop using food containing gluten for three months. So far gluten seems to help me. And I know it's still early days.
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