Yeast and Crohn's disease

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Ankylos
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   Posted 1/30/2010 9:33 PM (GMT -6)   
I've been reading a few papers on the subject, and it seems that antibodies to Saccharomyces cerevisiae- common yeast- are prevalent in those with Crohn's disease. One paper suggests about 57% of those with the disease have antibodies to S. cerevisiae.

Has anyone every been warned by their doctor or healthcare provider not to consume products fermented with S. cerevisiae, such as bread or wine? It would seem these foods should be proscribed, but I have yet to find any authoritative source that suggests doing so.

medchrt1
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   Posted 1/30/2010 9:42 PM (GMT -6)   
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-saccharomyces_cerevisiae_antibodies
do you consider wikipedia authoritative, see references to 11, and 12 on that page.
Good point. doctors say you can eat whatever you want while we have evidence to the contrary.
btw correction to your post insert word "not", i.e. foods with yeast should not be consumed if you have crohns and I would agree.

spookyh
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   Posted 1/30/2010 11:39 PM (GMT -6)   
I've never had a doctor tell me this, but my diet is 100% yeast free since I follow SCD. This info makes me even happier that I'm not eating yeast!
34 years old, Crohn's disease for 15 of them
Resection of ileocecal valve on 09/22/09
Current Meds: LDN, Pentasa, Effexor XR, Zyrtec
Supplements: 3 kinds of Fish Oil, Multi-Vitamin, Vitamin D, Calcium, Magnesium, Coconut Oil, Garlic Oil, CoQ10, Enzymes
SCD since 12/01/08 - eating Stage 3 foods


hld4good
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   Posted 1/31/2010 12:32 AM (GMT -6)   
My doc ordered a Complete Stool Kit, and among other things, it showed that I had yeast overgrowth and yeast overgrowth plays a role in intestinal dybiosis. I started using a stronger probiotic to re-establish beneficial bacteria in my gut, along with digestive enzymes. Whether it is caused by the process of Crohn's or something else, yeast overgrowth is bad for anyone. I no longer have diarhea, hives, itchy eyes and skin and my fingernails are strong. I also don't have the abdominal bloating anymore. I guess what I am saying is that getting rid of yeast may be just one aspect of your overall treatment, but when people are having a flare, medications may be necessary to get over the worst of the flare. Nanners can give you alot of info that will help you. Keep researching and never give up.
Age 58, Crohn's since age 21
3 bowel resections, 1980,88,95
1 fistula repair, 2005
probiotic
digestive enzymes
L-glutamine powder 3 times a day
sublingual B-12 and B complex
2 T. cod liver oil
2 tsp. tart cherry juice concentrate
Multiple vitamin, 2,500mg vit. C, 1,000mg calcium mag.


pb4
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   Posted 1/31/2010 2:01 AM (GMT -6)   
IBD tends to cause bacterial over-growth which in turn exacerbates symptoms....resarch is finding more and more evidence of the connection between bacterial overgrowth and even lack of specific bacteria " Faecalibacterium prausnitzii"...

It seems critical now that we take a good probiotic daily and indefinitely (flaring or not) in order to aid the balance of our gut flora...at least one that contains a minimum 10 billion live cultures.

:)
bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~


Nanners
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   Posted 1/31/2010 10:11 AM (GMT -6)   
I am connfused in the amount of probiotics we should be taking. I started on the one PB4 was taking Primadolphilus Reuteri and it only has 5 billion CFU in it. I like it alot, but have to say I do not get the benefit of helping lactose intolerance or vaginal health that PB4 said she got. JMHO
Gail*Nanners* Co-Moderator for Crohns Disease & Anxiety/Panic
Crohn's Disease for over 34 years. Currently on Asacol, Prilosec, Estrace, Prinivil, Diltiazem, Percoset prn for pain, Zofran, Phenergan, Probiotics, Calcium, Vit D, and Xanax prn. Resections in 2002 & 2005. Also diagnosed w/ Fibromyalgia, Osteoarthritis, & Anxiety. Currently my Crohns is in remission, but my joints are going crazy!
*Every tomorrow has two handles.  We can take hold of it by the handle of anxiety, or by the handle of faith"*

njmom
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   Posted 1/31/2010 11:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Dr Leo Galland claims to have healed a Crohn's patient with the yeast-free diet. Because it was only one patient, it was certainly not a conclusive clinical trial...however, it does suggest that for some Crohn's patients, a yeast-free diet might be worth a try.
 
The SCD diet might not truly be a yeast free diet, since it allows honey, cheese and peanut butter. Also, a yeast-free diet is low carbohydrate, unlike the SCD, which is really specific carbohydrate rather than low carbohydrate. 
 
 
Daughter (22) Dx'd Crohn's 3/06. Misdiagnosed for two years, including by top pediatric Crohn's specialist as stress. No symptoms for the past two years. Recent colonoscopy shows stricture gone but still two spots of inflammation in TI. Used LDN to taper off Entocort. Was on Entocort since April 06. Never had D. 4.5 mg LDN, SCD multivit, homemade yogurt, 5000IU vit D3, 500 mg calcium, 27 mg iron, monthly B12 shots, daily oral B12 1000. SCD diet modified to include potatoes and rice. 


pb4
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   Posted 1/31/2010 3:30 PM (GMT -6)   
That sucks Nanners, you could take 2/day...I have switched to one called ProBio TX-11 (it's a Sangsters brand, that's the store I bought my Primadophilus from) the Primadophils jumped double in price which really pissed me off so I switched to the ProBio, it has all the same cultures as the Primadophilus plus more and it contains 10 billion live cultures, the only difference I've noticed is during my periods things are a little better than they were before, usually during my periods my CD becoes super unbearable, but since taking the ProBio it's improved some...the ProBio is also refridgerated.

:)
bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~


spookyh
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   Posted 1/31/2010 11:01 PM (GMT -6)   
If you ever feel inspired to make your own yogurt, there is about 1.5 trillion bacteria in just one cup. You can ferment other things for major probiotic boosts too (sauerkraut, kefir, etc.). I've read that fermented cabbage juice is great for bowel disease. I haven't made it yet though, but will have to get up the nerve (can't imagine it tastes very good).

Check out these 2 links:

http://www.healingcrow.com/ferfun/ferfun.html

http://www.healingcrow.com/ferfun/conspiracy/conspiracy.html

*activated your links*

Post Edited By Moderator (Nanners) : 2/1/2010 7:37:15 AM (GMT-7)


MoobyDoo
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   Posted 2/3/2010 3:06 PM (GMT -6)   
You can go to a site called bodyecology.com to read all about yeast and fermented foods. If nothing else, it makes you think. I've tried fermenting coconut water into coconut kefir. Tastes like a sour, yeasty, apple beer mixture. My kids won't touch it with a 10 FT pole. Why do all the things that are supposed to be good for you taste so bad?!

  • Nanners
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       Posted 2/3/2010 3:10 PM (GMT -6)   
    Aww Spooky I wish I could do the yoghurt. But I hate yoghurt alot:) It tastes like rotten milk to me. LOL So I will have to stick with a pill form.

    Thanks PB4 for the info on ProBio, I may have a look for it next time I need to get more probiotics.
    Gail*Nanners* Co-Moderator for Crohns Disease & Anxiety/Panic
    Crohn's Disease for over 34 years. Currently on Asacol, Prilosec, Estrace, Prinivil, Diltiazem, Percoset prn for pain, Zofran, Phenergan, Probiotics, Calcium, Vit D, and Xanax prn. Resections in 2002 & 2005. Also diagnosed w/ Fibromyalgia, Osteoarthritis, & Anxiety. Currently my Crohns is in remission, but my joints are going crazy!
    *Every tomorrow has two handles.  We can take hold of it by the handle of anxiety, or by the handle of faith"*

    spookyh
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       Posted 2/3/2010 6:50 PM (GMT -6)   
    Nanners, there are ways to improve the taste :-). I add a little honey, which is enough for me. Some people add fruit, vanilla, or nut butter.

    Also, you can "drip" it (put a coffee filter in a colander, and pour the yogurt in). You'll end up with very thick yogurt, and lose most of the tang in the water. This is how I make frozen yogurt, because I don't like my ice cream tangy.

    Oh, and if you think cow yogurt is bad, you should try goat. I've heard it described as tasting like sweaty gym socks ;-).
    34 years old, Crohn's disease for 15 of them
    Resection of ileocecal valve on 09/22/09
    Current Meds: LDN, Pentasa, Effexor XR, Zyrtec
    Supplements: 3 kinds of Fish Oil, Multi-Vitamin, Vitamin D, Calcium, Magnesium, Coconut Oil, Garlic Oil, CoQ10, Enzymes
    SCD since 12/01/08 - eating Stage 3 foods

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