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jrs6494
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   Posted 1/31/2010 1:56 PM (GMT -7)   
I have started to eat better and have cut out a significant amount of sugar from my diet. I am now reading Dr. Atkins' Vita-Nutrient Solution. It sounds really great and he suggests a daily dose of certain vitamins and nutrients.

Well two of the nutrients are Pantothenic Acid and pantethine. He says to take an equal amount of both between 900-1800mg a day. He also says that when you get Pantothenic Acid usually pantethine is also in the supplement (pill) in an equal portion.

I have been looking every where for this supplement and can't seem to find any that shows both the ingredients in the same pill. Does anyone know if there is a combination of the two? Do you have to take them separately? Does anyone get these and can give links to where they purchase them from?

Here is a link with Pantothenic Acid and the nutritional label: www.vitaminshoppe.com/store/en/browse/sku_detail.jsp?id=VS-1155

If you have any feedback please let me know, thanks.
Diagnosed August 2007
Lialda 2 pills twice a day
Imuran 3 pills once a day
Probiotics - Primal Defense Ultra
No milk, but Light Soymilk is great!
Working on diet right now and food journal
Trying to calm my Chrons down with nutrition


Ankylos
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   Posted 1/31/2010 3:20 PM (GMT -7)   
You know, his "Vita-Nutrient Solution" is probably his most neglected of books. From the way it's written, I'm fairly sure someone else compiled it, and he slapped his name on it. The sheer number of references makes it next to impossible that he did all that research, particularly as it largely predates the ability to access so many computer searches that are so simple to do today (1998, IIRC).

Pantethine is a metabolite of pantothenic acid anyway; I'm not sure taking both is necessary. Just alternate them if you're worried about taking too many pills- which, frankly, Atkins is strongly in favor of (i.e., taking too many pills). I admire his work, but I think it relies too strongly on supplements.

Some recommendations: an Atkins-type diet (as he notes) is highly effective at putting patients into remission, and keeping them there. However, it is made more effective by excluding all grains in their entirety. Keep the carbs low, exclude the grains, and go from there. That includes your soy milk- sorry. Recommended: fermented milk, as in "properly" fermented yogurt. I recommend the Gottschall approach from "Breaking the Vicious Cycle."

Strongly recommended:

Probiotics like Saccharomyces boulardii, and E. coli Nissle (ECN), which is available as Mutaflor through one or two vendors here in the US.

Vitamin D: start at 5000 IU/day, work down to 2,000 to 3,000 IU/day once things calm down. Ideally one would get their serum values checked, aiming for 50-60 ng/mL.

Selenium: a natural TNF inhibitor. 100-200 mcg/day. Reimund et al., 2000.

Zinc sulfate, 110 mg/day, improved barrier function of the intestines, suppressed T-cells, and improved thymus function in 8 weeks (Ibs and Rink, 2004).

Fish oil: 5-15 mL/day.

Coconut oil: 1-3 tablespoons/day.


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