GDen...regarding your youtube cip about healthcare (Canada)

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pb4
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   Posted 2/1/2010 4:52 PM (GMT -7)   
 
I'm Canadian, I live in alberta, we don't pay any added provincial tax here, just the GST, ther may be a hidden tax but whatever, it works.
 
The guy in the youtube video could have picked a better province than Quebec...Quebec has their own seperate pension plan from the rest of the country, in essence, it's like they are their own country, BUT they're not...Alberta sends them Aprox $14 billion (yes, billion) dollars EVERY year.  Alberta sends money (AND ALOT OF IT) to all the "have not" provinces.  I guarantee if we didn't send money all over the place, our health care system would be premo.
 
Do doctors in the US not make mistakes?  Cutting off the wrong body parts, leaving sponges and other medical tools in patients?  I'm sure they do, infact I'm 100% sure they do...I'd love to see the stats on how often that happens in the US compared to in Canada.
 
Any women that feels her child should be at a hosptial for whatever reason, should have enough brains to take them to a childrens hospital specifically, I guarantee you the wait at our childrens hospital is quite minimum, on all days.
 
It doesn't take 2-3 yrs to get a blood test either, any doc you see, either your family doc, which isn't impossible to get or a random doc at a clinic simply fills out a form and sends you to the lab (at your convience) to get blood tests done, results are usually back within the same week.
 
We have universal health care, have had it in our province of Alberta since the early 60's, less people back then, less hypocondriacts, less wait...it's stressed more now cuz too many people abuse the system, more people move here (plenty of americans included)...things have changed I'll admit that but it's still better then the many horror stories I hear about health care in the US (all over the US).  We have private health care too now, we have options, the US doesn't.
 
No system is perfect and with the many changes being done in our province alone with cutting back some health care issues, at this point I still wouldn't trade with the US system.
 
As far as the gas prices go, yup we pay more (especially during long weekends like Canada day) we pay more for our own dang commodity and send it over to the US so they can pay next to nothing for it, same with our electricity.
 
Everyone fears change, it's normal but bashing another country because of fear is not cool at all.  I could go on but there's no point, I think I've expressed my veiws.
 
:)


bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~


dunny2
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   Posted 2/1/2010 5:22 PM (GMT -7)   
Pb, I have to agree with you :)
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   Posted 2/1/2010 5:55 PM (GMT -7)   
Well said and I think 99% of people on here agree with you.
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sickandlucky
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   Posted 2/1/2010 6:11 PM (GMT -7)   
I agree that was very well said pb... I live in Ontario and have nothing but good things to say about our healthcare system. I get blood tests often (on imuran) and it is never more than a 20 minute wait in the clinic around the corner from my house. Also I got in for a colonoscopy two days after my GP decided she suspected I had crohns.

Every system has good and bad points. I wish someone would make a video about different North American health care systems going in without an agenda or any biases. That would be really interesting!
female 19, diagnosed crohns december 2008
entocort/pentasa previously, now prednisone & imuran, probiotics, calcium w/d3, biotin, folic acid, zinc, omega 3s, digestive enzymes & prenatal multivitamin


GDen
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   Posted 2/1/2010 7:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the insights! It is good to hear from actual patients as opposed to the media. Most Canadians I've corresponded with seem to have a favorable opinion of their healthcare system, but a few have complained about very long waits. One guy I knew said it took months to get an MRI. Here, I can get one same day at any number of places.

In the media I've read/heard/watched all ends of the spectrum. From those saying how great Canadian and Western European healthcare systems are, to how terrible they are (rationing, excessive waits, private clinics cropping up, lots of Canadians seeking treatment in the US, huge taxes, antiquated equipment, doctor shortages, etc.). For example:

Debunking Canadian Healthcare Myths (really made the rounds on the Internet)
www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_12523427

Then there's Sally Pipes, a former Canadian and whose own mother she says died awaiting cancer treatment in Canada:
www.cato.org/weekly/index.php?vid_id=116
www.canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/8840

There was actually a radio show where both of the above were invited on to debate. The author of the pro-Canadian healthcare article hung up at the start of the show and couldn't be reached throughout, and Sally Pipes subsequently debunked her debunking article. It sure didn't sound good. Plus it sure doesn't help when people like Michael Moore are caught in numerous lies and half-truths. But you know I really don't believe anybody for sure since I haven't experienced other healthcare systems firsthand.

I'm definitely not going to say the US healthcare system is perfect! Health insurance is maddening with how complex it is, and if you have a pre-existing condition you can have really limited options. Healthcare is quite expensive and prices vary enormously. OTOH, I've found treatment to be largely excellent -- caring, professional, and expedient doctors, nurses, etc., with a few jerks, and with very modern equipment and facilities. I've found the clinics, hospitals, organizations, etc. to be very charitable in providing free drugs, discounted procedures, and so on. I hope some reform does happen in the US, but the politicians blew it by really overreaching and all the special deals.
Cimzia, Asacol

Post Edited (GDen) : 2/1/2010 7:33:28 PM (GMT-7)


pb4
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   Posted 2/1/2010 8:00 PM (GMT -7)   
By any means, don't get me wrong....I too have been wronged by the medical profession, way back when I was told I had hemmies, I went to my doc on a Friday, balling in pain because of my perianal crohn's disease which they all thought were hemmies, I was admitted to the hospital on Saturday and had my "hemmies" (actually the perianal crohn's tags) banded on Sunday morning. Shortly after that my CD reared it's ugly head internally.

No I shouldn't have had the surgery at all, yes the service was super speedy, would it be like that now (basically 19 yrs later) no, and I don't get a choice of sandwhich with cookies and as much juice that I want when I wake up from colonoscopies (which at least I still don't pay out of pocket for) like I used to...do you see where alot of the expense goes? That's why changes had to be made, steep ones on some accounts but none the less, changes needed to be made (had they been done sooner, it would have likely been better)....if Obama learns from the mistakes we have made and doesn't repeat them, then a universal health care will work quite beautifully in the US.

Back when I had my first baby (a girl) they sent me home with tons of diapers and feminine napkins, and all kinds of other goodies, when I had my second baby only 3 yrs later, I had to pay for his circumcision out of pocket cuz some bereaucrat decided that circumcisions were not medically necessary any more so the province wan't going to cover it)...they told me to bring diapers and pads and anything else I would need to the hospital with me, no freebies like I had only 3 yrs earlier.....still the plus side, I didn't pay 10,000.00 to have my babies in the hospital, and I was in a free ward with my first, and in a semi-private room with my second since my hubbies insurance (which is free, his employer pays for it all) covered semi-private rooms...had I needed to go by ambulance (probably would have been safer than my hubby's crazy driving while I was in intense labor LOL) the ambulance ride would (still is) also be free, also covered by our free insurance (different from our health care coverage).

It only makes sence that when a "for profit" orangization/company runs a countries health care, the people will get screwed over, when they're in it for the money, why wouldn't they...it's incredible how many things they don't cover and what little bits and peices they do cover...they have everyone by the balls....I would just die if our whole system turned that way, honestly the outrage would be incredible, and as much as many people think we're heading that way, I have a hard time grasping that cuz which ever politician went all private, they'd never be voted in again, so they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

Honestly, we'd all have to live it to really know what it's like...I hear Saskatchewan actually has an even better provincial health care then we do...for example, my son's jaw is slightly out of line, he had braces (don't even get me started on why dental care isn't covered under our universal health care system, same with vision care) anyways, here in Alberta we'd pay 5,000.00 (tax included, as it is will all medical, including perscriptions) to have is jaw realigned, in Saskatchewan it would be covered under their provincial health care...there's always better...and there's always worse too.

And thanks sickandlucky, Rider Fan and dunny2 for your support.
 
I should add though, we pay the governement taxes which goes into our health care so that all can be covered, since the majority of people work, it's a pretty fair system.

:)


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omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
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vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~

Post Edited (pb4) : 2/1/2010 8:40:48 PM (GMT-7)


tsitodawg
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   Posted 2/2/2010 12:58 AM (GMT -7)   
pb4.
I am an American and very grateful for the quality of care that I have been blessed with but I hope that you do not think that we all look down upon the Canadian Healthcare system. There is obviously a huge debate in the U.S. about this topic and there are some of the political and news outlets that like to broadcast false things about healthcare systems of Europe and Canada. In reality, these people typically only have political ambitions in mind and are really good at making it seem real. There are bad doctors and bad situations in every healthcare system in every country. I am sure that they same people that claim that our healthcare here is incredible have never been on the wrong side of a doctors bill or had an E.R. doctor treat them like a hypocondriac. They have probably never seen a bill for remicade in the area of $10,000 and wondered how after insurance they will still have to pay $1,000.
The truth be told, both the U.S., Europe, and Canada all have similar quality of medical technology due to the fact that it is 1st world. I have lived in a third world country where the quality of care was probably that of the 1920's U.S. and it is so sad. It was very emotional to see so many children walking around with clouded eyes or birth defects that could simply be fixed by having a centralized clean water system. I had to go to a doctor over there for a tapeworm and he had gone to school in the U.S. He talked with me about how lucky we are to live in a first world country(just like Canada is 1st world) and have so many medicines and technologies in every state and city. I have never forgotten that conversation and now that I have been diagnosed with Crohn's disease it means even more to me. I would feel just as blessed to be seeing doctors in Canada, the UK, France, Italy, ect.... I was a missionary and one of my fellow missionaries had to have a toenail removed due to an ingrown toenail without any anetheisa. All they did was tie some surgical tubing around it and then use a little iodine to disinfect it. I was supposed to have mine done next but chose to do it on my own after seeing what he went through. The sad thing was that he was from that particular country and knew of nothing better and thought that I was a sissy for not doing it. When I was being examined on a table for my tapeworm I will never forget laying down on sheets that still had blood stains on them from someone else. We are all very blessed if we are able to be seen for care.
I guess my point being is don't trust one or 2 people's opinion of a country and pass it off as the opinion of all the people. Some believe the U.S. to have the best technology in the world but there are millions that have died due to not being able to afford care. On the other hand I am sure that there have been people in countries with universal healthcare that have died while waiting to be seen but that happens in the U.S. every single day too. There are many of the same problems in both types of systems but neither side of the arguments like to recognize that. It makes me laugh when someone here tells me that in Universal Care you will have to wait 2-3 months to see a specialist. Then I ask them if they have ever had surgery on seen a specialist here. Most of them say that they have and I ask them how long it took them to get in with them? Usually 1-3 months if you want a good one is the normal response. I know that for my shoulder surgeries it took me about 4 months to get in the first time and another 2 months before surgery due to insurance blocks because they wanted physical therapy even though 3 separate doctors said it could only be fixed surgically. The second one wasn't too bad at only 2 months and 4 months to surgery due to a major tear.

sickandlucky
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   Posted 2/2/2010 5:35 AM (GMT -7)   
GDen: True about MRIs! When I busted my knee in August 2008, it took until December for me to get in for an MRI. How much do those cost in the US?
All this talk about health care systems is making me so curious about everything
female 19, diagnosed crohns december 2008
entocort/pentasa previously, now prednisone & imuran, probiotics, calcium w/d3, biotin, folic acid, zinc, omega 3s, digestive enzymes & prenatal multivitamin


Escalador
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   Posted 2/2/2010 5:47 AM (GMT -7)   
@sickandlucky question about the knee... what do you mean, busted? did you break something?

sickandlucky
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   Posted 2/2/2010 9:18 AM (GMT -7)   
Escalador: It turned out to be a torn ligament, it wasn't broken or anything! I'm quite sure if it had been broken or required surgery or something I would have gotten in alot sooner. I got x-rays and all that the day after without much waiting. As it is, it healed on its own almost completely before I even got the MRI
female 19, diagnosed crohns december 2008
entocort/pentasa previously, now prednisone & imuran, probiotics, calcium w/d3, biotin, folic acid, zinc, omega 3s, digestive enzymes & prenatal multivitamin


artist guy
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   Posted 2/2/2010 10:23 AM (GMT -7)   
I lived in alberta for 8 yr's as a landed immigrant, our daughter was born in calgary i had a resection in calgary 1989, we absolutly thought there health care sytem was th best. very dissapointed with the U.S. because of ins. issues

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onthecan
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   Posted 2/2/2010 11:04 AM (GMT -7)   
U said it write Bp everything what a great job of summing everything up...I feel blessed 2 live in Nova Scotia if I lived in the states I'm sure I would be bankrupt by now...I think it is terrible there health care system things have got 2 change...

Post Edited By Moderator (Nanners) : 2/2/2010 11:22:15 AM (GMT-7)


pb4
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   Posted 2/2/2010 12:18 PM (GMT -7)   
tsitodawg (It was hard to read your post cuz it was big with no paragraphs and I have good eyes LOL)...don't worry, I certainly don't think all americans look down on our system, I know many have long yearned to have our system, which was great yrs and yrs ago but like I explained above has not been able to withstand mis-management and more population and more abuse of the system that once was great.

I'm glad you feel blessed that you have the healthcare that you have, the difference being, in Canada we're ALL blessed cuz we ALL get the same treatment with having universal health care, no one gets left out, not even the homeless, they can go to the doctors/hospitals whenever they need/want to and they get treated with no bill to pay afterwards.

Some people think that they should only have to worry about themselves, but being raised the way I was and living where I do, I learned that everyone deserves the same treatment...alot of our homeless population have mental illness, most homeless people don't choose to become homeless but just because they are doesn't mean they don't deserve the same health care the rest of the country gets. Same with the working poor, barely making ends meet, but if nothing else at least they still have health care and that's one less big thing they have to worry about.


The only reason private healthcare came into our system maybe around 15 yrs ago now, was because our economy was booming big time and for a long time so we could not facilitate the preasure of all the sudden a ton of people needing medical care, that alone was sucking our health care system dry (here in Alberta)....I can tell you this though, when Ralph Klein brought in privatization people everywhere went bizerk, why, because we were all afraid he was going to completely get rid of our universal health care and then only the rich would be able to afford it. Instead it did end up helping some with the wait times cuz I know for myself and more recently my daughter, we get in for tests very quickly so I'm baffled when others around here say they have to wait so long...I'm an old crohn's patient and my daughter has recently been having gut issues, they've already done all the tests (and quickly I will add) and found nothing, so they're going to do another colonoscopy on her in a couple of months (the reason for it taking a couple of months is because they've put her on some anti-depressants thinking maybe she has IBS, but they want to double check in a couple of months with another scope).

Anyone that has health care should feel blessed no matter where they live, the sad thing is not everyone has healthcare and that is just heartbreaking.

:)
bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~


pb4
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   Posted 2/2/2010 12:22 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey artist guy....I was born and raised in Calgary....I don't know when the last time was you were in Calgary but our beautiful city has changed too much for me that we decided to leave and go to a small town (30 minutes away from Calgary)...the bad thing about a boom is it often has negative changes along with positive, great for the economy, bad for many other things, traffic, too many people everywhere, I miss the old Calgary, from back in the 80's.

:)
bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~


GDen
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   Posted 2/2/2010 1:50 PM (GMT -7)   
sickandlucky: I just priced a leg MRI and they're about $1400! Ouch!! I thought they'd be cheaper, like xrays which are about $250 or less. There are dozens of places around me to get them. I used www.newchoicehealth.com to get price estimates.


pb4: LOL, some frugality here would be good! As it is now, healthcare professionals and patients take advantage of the "big, bad, evil" insurance companies and treat health insurance like stolen credit cards or something. Not long ago just about everybody had low deductibles and after those are met, who cares what anything costs? Items billed to insurance companies are over twice what a self-pay pays. Doctors order all sorts of tests, partly to cover their butts since lawyers can sue them for big bucks (tort reform is another aspect of healthcare reform).

When I was in the hospital a few years ago they billed tylenol at $1 each, the private room at $1000/night, and just about everything else was likewise astronomically inflated; scores of doctors, nurses, specialists, etc. saw me and punched their ticket (one doctor saw me for two minutes and billed $200); and numerous tests were performed and drugs prescribed.

Hospitals are notorious for being really expensive. More and more small clinics are popping up that charge far less. A couple of reasons they say hospitals charge so much is that our gov't insurance Medicare underpays so much and that many uninsured never pay their hospital bills.

I think we kinda have a two-tier healthcare system here. The hospitals, especially the newer ones, are like no-expense spared resorts. But then there are also small public clinics where patients are taken if they meet low-income/asset requirements.
Cimzia, Asacol


GDen
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   Posted 2/2/2010 2:12 PM (GMT -7)   
This is making the rounds here today:
article said...
ST. JOHN'S, N.L. -- Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams will undergo heart surgery later this week in the United States.

[...]

"In consultation with his own doctors, he's decided to go that route."

Mr. Williams' decision to leave Canada for the surgery has raised eyebrows over his apparent shunning of Canada's health-care system.

"It was never an option offered to him to have this procedure done in this province," said Ms. Dunderdale, refusing to answer whether the procedure could be done elsewhere in Canada.

www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2510700
Cimzia, Asacol


Nanners
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   Posted 2/2/2010 2:43 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks guys for having a good conversation about health care and not making it political at all. Good job!
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Valerie3
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   Posted 2/2/2010 3:09 PM (GMT -7)   
LOL wow, I just watched that video, that guy is an idiot. hahaha. Seriously though, he's really obnoxious, wow!

I live in Quebec so I can actually comment on the video since he was on the south shore of Montreal, which is only about half an hour from where I live. First of all, let me say that the hospital he went to is really small - I haven't even heard of it, that's how small it is. I didn't even know they had a hospital out there. When I had stomach pains, I went to the hospital which has the reputation of being the worst in Montreal, and I was in a bed in the emergency room in under an hour (from the time I walked in, this includes triage). Obviously you have to go through triage, because if one person walks in with a sprained ankle and a guy comes in who got shot, who do you think should logically be seen first? Lol it only makes sense. I know people who have waited for hours at the emergency room like any other Canadian, but generally speaking, if you have something serious wrong with you, you do get seen pretty quickly. We also have a doctor shortage in Canada because most doctors who graduate here move to the US because of the higher salaries (I don't blame them, I probably would too).

As for clinics being closed on Saturday and Sunday, yes, it sucks, but the way I see it, if it's so serious you can't wait a day or two, you probably need to go to the hospital anyway. He also commented on the way CLSCs work, basically you have to go to the CLSC for the city that you either go to school (or I think work), or live in. It isn't really that hard, since they should be the most accessible to you anyway. They only have certain types of doctors working at certain times, for example, they have schedules for when you can go for things like vaccinations (which you can also get at your family doctor). I've only gone for STD testing, so I went during a youth clinic where they do STD screening and pregnancy tests and so on. The CLSC is really where you go for things that aren't urgent at all, so I don't see how this is a big deal either.

They were also saying it can take 2-3 years to find a family doctor. This was not the case with me and it IS difficult to find one for some people, but most doctors will take in relatives of patients, and if you call around enough, you can usually find one. Most people just aren't persistent enough to actually go out and find a doctor, they expect one to just pop up in their laps. Again though, we do have a doctor shortage in Canada.

They also showed a girl with a baby, who actually took her baby to the wrong hospital the first time. Everyone here knows to take their children to the children's hospital! lol. It's pretty logical, if you want people who understand babies the best, you go to a children's hospital.

They were also saying it costs $900 to get a blood test done at a private clinic. This isn't true, when I do my blood tests privately I pay between 100-300$ depending on the number of tests (I am usually getting 3-4 vials of blood drawn at a time), which is fully reimbursed by my free private insurance through work. At the hospital when I get my free blood tests done, I've never waited longer than half an hour to get my tests done. Results are always given within a couple of days. Xrays and MRIs and CT Scans and so on are also covered by my private insurance. At the hospital, the wait can be long, but if it's urgent, you can usually get squeezed in. For my colonoscopy, I waited 2 weeks, but this was because my doctor was on vacation for the 2 weeks between my appointment and my scope.

I have heard lots of stories as well about incompetent doctors sending people home, but really, incompetent doctors are everywhere. It happens. No medical system is perfect. These people were so biased and ignorant though that they completely distorted everything. I'm impressed that the Canadians he spoke to all seemed to be so uneducated themselves, because they seemed to almost have been leading him in the wrong direction. LOL. Also, he went to an area that is almost completely French when he was English, which probably didn't help. If he went into the city and went to one of the bigger hospitals, I'm sure he would have had a much better experience.

Hope this helps give a bit of insight into what Quebec health care is really like. LOL. It isn't really all that different than the rest of Canada.

Rider Fan
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   Posted 2/2/2010 3:24 PM (GMT -7)   
GDen said...
This is making the rounds here today:
article said...
ST. JOHN'S, N.L. -- Newfoundland Premier Danny Williams will undergo heart surgery later this week in the United States.

[...]

"In consultation with his own doctors, he's decided to go that route."

Mr. Williams' decision to leave Canada for the surgery has raised eyebrows over his apparent shunning of Canada's health-care system.

"It was never an option offered to him to have this procedure done in this province," said Ms. Dunderdale, refusing to answer whether the procedure could be done elsewhere in Canada.

www.nationalpost.com/news/story.html?id=2510700

He's probably going to the States because that's where the best surgeons in the world are, since that's where the best paid surgeon's in the world are.  I don't think anyone here is saying the States doesn't have the best medical care if you're making six figues a year - as Danny Williams is.  If I was a millionairre I'd go to the USA too.  I've actually been to the Mayo Clinic and it was phenomenal.
33 y/o male. Dx'ed in 1999. No surgeries.

Current meds: Humira 2/27/09. Proferrin iron pills.

Tried SCD, didn't work, now avoiding gluten and dairy.


Go Saskatchewan Roughriders!


pb4
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   Posted 2/2/2010 3:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Valerie, I'm so glad you came and responded to that video espcially being from Quebec yourself....I knew alot of what was portrayed in that video seemd off but since I don't live there I couldn't say for sure...I do know one thing though, here in AB it costs alot more than 10.00 for my cat to get a blood test at the vet LOL...my daughters cat recently got a broken leg, it costed her 600.00 by the time all was said and done (thank goodness that cat was free, cuz the vet bill sure wasn't).

:)
bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~


pb4
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Date Joined Feb 2004
Total Posts : 20576
   Posted 2/2/2010 3:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Rider Fan, I don't know if I believe that the US has all the best surgeons, they might have some of the best paid but not likely the best overall....canada has some pretty top notch surgeons too as I'm sure many places around the world do, not all are in it for the $$ alone.

I know my GI is one of the best world wide, he's been in the US and abroad and for his age and being one of the world renowned GI's (with being one of the leaders in research for crohn's and colitis) he could probably be making more money working somewhere else but thankfully that isn't what drives him.


And thanks Nanners, I hope it stays that way with this thread too.

:)
bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~


Valerie3
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Date Joined Feb 2009
Total Posts : 529
   Posted 2/2/2010 6:29 PM (GMT -7)   
pb4 said...
Valerie, I'm so glad you came and responded to that video espcially being from Quebec yourself....I knew alot of what was portrayed in that video seemd off but since I don't live there I couldn't say for sure...I do know one thing though, here in AB it costs alot more than 10.00 for my cat to get a blood test at the vet LOL...my daughters cat recently got a broken leg, it costed her 600.00 by the time all was said and done (thank goodness that cat was free, cuz the vet bill sure wasn't).

:)


LOL! I know, I noticed that too... Vets are so expensive, and half the time they don't even do anything and you still get stuck with a huge bill. I was wondering where they got $10 for a blood test from. If a blood test costed $10, they'd basically be doing charity work. haha.

Canada does have a lot of great doctors, but it is unfortunate that we lose a lot of doctors who are driven solely by money. Doctors here do make quite a bit less than in the states, but then again, tuition is also a lot cheaper here. My GI is fantastic but doesn't specialize in Crohn's, she specializes more in stomach issues than intestinal stuff. I guess I should call her my old GI, because I'm being sent to a guy who does all of the Crohn's research for our major teaching hospital (McGill) here. I get to see him tomorrow so I'm hoping he's good (or at least not a total jerk, he has the credentials so I know he's competent!).

The video was really, honestly quite obnoxious though. The guy was just so blatantly Canada-bashing. I don't get why he had to throw in how expensive everything is - it's like that everywhere except the US (Europe is a billion times more expensive than Canada) because almost everything is imported. He also seemed to have been trying to make it look like Canadians are idiots (like with the random crazy old guy at the end haha). It's really too bad that people see videos like this and believe them though, it's great that Americans want to be informed about healthcare in other industrialized countries, but it must make it really confusing when there is so much misinformation floating around!

pb4
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Date Joined Feb 2004
Total Posts : 20576
   Posted 2/2/2010 6:41 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes Valerie, I totally agree, I certainly don't blame the US for being scared, who wouldn't be, the fear of the unknown...I don't blame them one bit, it's no different than when we all went bizerk here in Alberta when Ralph brought in privatization and closed down a bunch of labs (to save money) we all had a hissy fit and for good reason, we were scared of what it would all mean in the future and lets face it, here in AB things are still unsettled. They stopped charging us for alberta health care premiums and that kinda made us all shake our heads cuz it was like, "what, you're not charging us anymore, then where is all the money going to come from? And especially at a time when health care is on shakey grounds"...I mean I'm not complaining, who wouldn't want to not have to pay right but at what cost down the road...seems that's the real issue, I know no one has a crystal ball but use common sense and it may very well be helpful in figuring out that what we do now will have an impact on the future.

I just hope things work out in the US (cuz it breaks my heart everytime I read a post saying, "I should get a colonoscopy for a proper DX but I have no insurance and cannot afford it") Alot of people come to support boards to self-DX based on other peoples symptoms and then try to self-treat and that just saddens me to no end. It makes me angry that it happens too, I just don't get it, but I sure hope it all works out so that the skeptics can see they were concerned for nothing and the people who can't afford insurance will finally be able to get tests and treatments just like anyone else.

:)
bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~


GDen
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Date Joined May 2009
Total Posts : 703
   Posted 2/2/2010 6:56 PM (GMT -7)   
What about foreigners traveling in Canada that need medical treatment? Do they just use the same public clinics? I imagine they get a bill -- would it be a lot less than in the US?
Cimzia, Asacol


Valerie3
Veteran Member


Date Joined Feb 2009
Total Posts : 529
   Posted 2/2/2010 7:30 PM (GMT -7)   
GDen - I just pasted this off of my hospitals site..

Patients fromany other country and Canadian residents
without a valid Medicare card are responsible for all
hospitalization expenses and professional fees for services
received at the hospital. They must make an advance
deposit equal to seven days payment upon admission to
cover the hospitalization charges. They will also receive
a bill for professional services.

I'm not sure how large the bill would be though, haha. I'm assuming it most likely isn't that much cheaper than down there though, unfortunately.
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