goat's milk, A1 vs A2 milk

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ozonehole
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   Posted 3/7/2010 11:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi all,

I have made some significant changes in my diet over the past, and feel better for it.

I do drink coffee, something I couldn't do until recently. I can't stand it black. I used to use sugar but now stevia for sweetening. I used to use non-dairy coffee creamer (vile stuff, made from corn syrup) but now I'm using powdered goat's milk.

I tried powdered cow's milk, and it gave me diarrhea. Goat's milk does not. Interesting, because both contain lactose in almost the same proportions.

Since lactose-intolerance cannot be the deciding factor, I suspect (just a theory, mind you) that the difference is that most cow's milk is A1, or mixed A1 and A2 type. This refers to a type of protein in the milk. Goat's milk is entirely A2. If you google on "A1 A2 milk" you'll get all sorts of hits. Just one of the more interesting results:

http://www.alternet.org/health/142377

Anyone else have experience with goat's milk they can share?

My only complaint about goat's milk is the price, about 4 times the cost of cow's milk.

regards,
Robert
Crohn's since 1988
3 resections

Post Edited (ozonehole) : 3/7/2010 11:06:34 PM (GMT-7)


CrazyHarry
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   Posted 3/7/2010 11:11 PM (GMT -7)   
i never liked coffee until i got rid of my sweet tooth. now i only like black coffee (ok, i will admit, i am subject to doctoring it up with bailey's and/or Kahlua/frangelico from time to time).

powdered milk (or anything powder for that matter) is bad cos it contains oxidized cholesterol which is super bad for you. like trans fat bad.

i've read that goat's milk contains less lactose than cow milk, so interesting point you bring up. i've read many times in different sources that those that are lactose intolerant do better on goat and sheep milk dairy products. supposedly fermented dairy products (ie yogurt, kefir, cheese) has most if not all of the lactose component removed due to the fermentation so lactose intolerant people almost always can eat these with no problem. i dont find that always to be true - perhaps it is more portion size? anyhoo, cow milk takes a long time to digest. goat and sheep milk both have smaller molecules, just slightly bigger than human milk molecules, so these digest a lot faster than cow milk. perhaps that is one reason why they are tolerated better - faster digestion = less time sitting around fermenting and off gassing causing bloating and gas? just an idea...

just from a nutrition standpoint, i seek out dairy from goat and sheep. yes it sucks paying the higher price, but since i dont eat it too often, i dont mind it. i also search for them raw and from whole milk (ie full fat). i seem to tolerate raw cream and raw colostrum from cows ok too. i have no problem with cheese from any source. i think i do best on sheep milk yogurt. but man, $2.50 for a 6 oz container - ouch! but it tastes oohhhhhh soooo gooood... *drool*
Crazy Harry

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Crohn's since 1993 (17 yrs old then)
surgery in July '05 - removal of 2 inches at ileum and 8 inches of sigmoid colon (had fistula into bladder)
Nov '05 developed colonic inertia; July '06 told i needed ostomy surgery
began maker's diet in August '06 - now feeling the best ever with no symptoms of colonic inertia and i kept my colon
med free as of 10/31/07


pb4
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   Posted 3/7/2010 11:14 PM (GMT -7)   
Here's an excellent link re; goats milk vs cows milk....goats milk is closer to human milk than cow milk, it's easier tolerated for that and other reasons listed in the link...I drank goats milk when I first got sick with CD cuz cows milk obviously made me sicker....goats milk is better for human consumption than cows milk all around.
 
 
 
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ozonehole
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   Posted 3/8/2010 5:18 AM (GMT -7)   
CrazyHarry said...
i never liked coffee until i got rid of my sweet tooth. now i only like black coffee (ok, i will admit, i am subject to doctoring it up with bailey's and/or Kahlua/frangelico from time to time).


I swore off sugar last year, so coffee sweetened with stevia is my "dessert." I also use stevia to sweeten black tea, and whole oats (my usual breakfast). It's funny, once you get away from sugar, you really don't miss it (at least, I don't), but I think you've got to go cold turkey. Cheat a little and you're instantly addicted again.

CrazyHarry said...

powdered milk (or anything powder for that matter) is bad cos it contains oxidized cholesterol which is super bad for you. like trans fat bad.


When I read that, I sort of rolled my eyes and said "CrazyHarry really is crazy," but then I googled it and found out you are correct! So my powdered milk isn't so good for me after all. Fortunately, my cholesterol levels are still low, and perhaps that's partially because I don't really drink milk, just put a bit in my coffee, but still it's one more nasty thing to think about. Taiwan is not the best place to go looking for fresh milk, unfortunately.

CrazyHarry said...

i've read that goat's milk contains less lactose than cow milk, so interesting point you bring up.


I did look that up, and it's true, but the difference isn't huge. Cow's milk is 4.7% lactose, goat's milk 4.1%. But the same source for that info confirms that goat's milk contains no casein, the nasty A1 protein found in cow's milk:

http://whatscookingamerica.net/Q-A/GoatsMilk.htm

I appreciate the info, CH.

best regards,
Robert
Crohn's since 1988
3 resections

Post Edited (ozonehole) : 3/8/2010 5:22:32 AM (GMT-7)


snohare
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   Posted 3/8/2010 5:05 PM (GMT -7)   
Hereabouts (Aberdeenshire in Scotland) - where Crohns Disease is so common everyone has heard of it, and knows someone with it - goat's milk is an old rural remedy for a bad gut. This is what my father was put on as a child when cow's milk made him ill - they put him to stay a few miles away where there was a goat, and there he stayed until he was well again - and for some reason, he has never had a problem again with what he ate or drank, until just recently, more than sixty years later.
When someone in my family finally got around to mentioning this, I tried it, and I also found it settled my stomach, but not to the same degree; for example, I found goat's cheese burns on the way out and does nothing for improving my stomach. I still consider goat's milk safe, but as I don't particularly like it I usually use oat milk or rice milk instead. Goat's milk products in the UK are as rare as hen's teeth, so I have never tasted yoghurt from them ! Sheep's milk cheese - now there is a lovely reason to go through Schipol Airport...I would go a long way to get that, but I've never seen it here.
I worked out a long time ago that my milk intolerance was not due to lactose; I could eat products that had lactose in them, and lactose-free milk did not do me any good. But what I did notice was that products like cocoa and other drinks that had caseinates in them, would make me ill, unless highly processed. (So if I heated and reheated cocoa, eventually it would be less likely to make me nauseous and give me the runs or a rash.) The conclusion I came to was that casein, or caseinates (whatever they were) or some form of protein, were the problem, and I had a leaky gut in terms of permeability. Finding that one form of carrageenan with a higher molecular weight was not a problem for me, but another form with a smaller molecule was, reinforced this idea.
Nothing I've heard or read of in the intervening decades has opposed this paradigm, so I am still working on the basis that this is the case.

artist guy
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   Posted 3/8/2010 5:57 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm 40 years with cd and i can't use cows milk at all, but in 09 i discovered goats milk and what a difference, I don't use it alot, coffee, oatmeal, i use kefir for my oatmeal,plain kefir. but I never drink hot cocoa, but this christmas I thought I'm gonna try a cup of hot goat milk cocoa, went down with no discomfort afterwards, so goat milk is $$$$ but it is worth it. i really believe it's the a2 that makes the difference, not the lactose, different type of lactose.

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Grandpato2
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   Posted 3/8/2010 9:25 PM (GMT -7)   
I've known for years that when an ingrediant is 'milk protein' I'm probably going to have a problem with it. I've suspected casein may be the problem and now after reading this post I'm sure it's the problem I've had. thanks to you all.
Male, 54 years old with Crohn's since 15 years old, diagnosed at age 46. Terminal ileum resected 2002. 5 months of remission. Crohn's has now been active since early 2003. Had a gall bladder removed Nov. of 2009. Currently on Remicade every 8 weeks, Nexium, Iron, B-12 injection every 4 weeks,5-asa Asacol, Morphine Sulfate as needed for pain. Cymbalta for long term pain control. 5-asa Salofalk, Entecort, Imuran and Prednisone in the past.


CrazyHarry
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   Posted 3/8/2010 9:40 PM (GMT -7)   
casein is actually a hard protein to digest. pretty much if you are allergic to milk, it is the casein you are allergic to, not milk in general.


ozonehole -

the milk in powder form has already had its fats oxidized, so any consumption of it has the potential risk to tilt your cholesterol levels the wrong way. i like almond milk as a milk substitute (soy milk potentially does more harm than good). i also find that i can handle a little milk from time to time, like in a latte. i totally agree with beating the sweet tooth by going cold turkey. that is what i did. it took a lot of will power - 4 long months of no sugar or grains or sweeteners of any kind and only very limited quantities of berries. it totally sucked but i am sooo glad i did it. it really got things under control for me.
Crazy Harry

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Crohn's since 1993 (17 yrs old then)
surgery in July '05 - removal of 2 inches at ileum and 8 inches of sigmoid colon (had fistula into bladder)
Nov '05 developed colonic inertia; July '06 told i needed ostomy surgery
began maker's diet in August '06 - now feeling the best ever with no symptoms of colonic inertia and i kept my colon
med free as of 10/31/07


ozonehole
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   Posted 3/9/2010 4:55 AM (GMT -7)   
One thing I have noticed is that when I use powdered cow's milk in my coffee, I pass a lot of gas (a polite way to say "I fart a lot"). With goat's milk, that doesn't happen. So I can say without a doubt that my wife prefers that I drink goat's milk. Even my dog agrees. So although goat's milk cost four times as much, I've got the green light from all the family members to go ahead and splurge.


Got milk?


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CrazyHarry -

I seem to be OK with soy milk digestionwise, but it doesn't taste good in coffee. At all!

cheers,
Robert
Crohn's since 1988
3 resections

Post Edited (ozonehole) : 3/9/2010 5:02:10 AM (GMT-7)


Djin
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   Posted 3/9/2010 9:29 AM (GMT -7)   
Ozone! Great thread!
Good sense of humor too.
 
In Brazil, it's hard to find these sheep or goat products too - our USA fellows have more options indeed.
 
Goat milk here is 3.5x more expensive, but I just bought a couple of it to give a try. This posts leveled my hopes. Thanks!
 
For information, I usually make my smoothies (bananas, apples, papayas) with powdered soy milk with good results, even if I'm on a flare. BUT I can't handle it "pure". ((mistery))
 
 
 
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Roni
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   Posted 3/9/2010 9:36 AM (GMT -7)   
I drink goat's milk on occasion. It is more expensive and sometimes it tastes like a goat. I have trouble with cow dairy. I usually take digestive enzymes whenever I have cow dairy now. It helps.

Goat yogurt is quite now; tangy with a nice bite.

CrazyHarry
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   Posted 3/9/2010 5:27 PM (GMT -7)   
yeah, these other dairy forms take a bit to get used to. i totally didnt like goat milk or goat yogurt the first times i had them. i had to have the yogurt flavored and i still hated it. too sour. i ate this stuff cos the makers diet said to and i was at my wits end so i did what it said. i downed it all with the mentality that this is now my medicine and this is good for me. once i got off sugars and my taste buds changed, i now love it. i have acquired the taste. i eat it plain and totally like it. funny how that happens.


so ozonehole, your wife caught you blaming the dog? LOL. i guess now we know why they call you ozonehole! LOL - ha ha ha - i'm on a roll....
Crazy Harry

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Crohn's since 1993 (17 yrs old then)
surgery in July '05 - removal of 2 inches at ileum and 8 inches of sigmoid colon (had fistula into bladder)
Nov '05 developed colonic inertia; July '06 told i needed ostomy surgery
began maker's diet in August '06 - now feeling the best ever with no symptoms of colonic inertia and i kept my colon
med free as of 10/31/07

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