Cat bite, Augmentin, and Crohn's, OH MY!

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gumby44
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   Posted 3/15/2010 6:40 PM (GMT -7)   
I've had quite a challenging week, so this post is partly so I can vent, but any words of advice would also be welcome. I had a 15 year old Golden retriever that I had to put to sleep last week. It was a very tough decision and a hard loss. Two days later (last Thursday), I was sleeping with my cat, and accidentally rolled over on him in my sleep. He was startled and bit me on the eyelid. He is 11 years old, and this has never happened...I really think it was just a freak accident. Anyway, I had to go out of town the next morning, so I didn't get seen by a doctor, but I called my brother who is an ER doc, and he insisted that Augmentin is the only antibiotic that is good at covering cat bacteria. I have had big problems with my Crohn's with Augmentin, but my face was starting to swell up, so it was heading toward a serious infection. My eyelid is much improved, but as expected, I'm having pretty severe diarrhea. I called my GI who said to try to hang in there with the Augmentin for as long as I can, and take probiotics (I already was) and immodium. I'm a little scared to use the immodium, because in the past, I have gotten bad cramps and it sends me in the other direction!

I'm pretty depressed. I miss my dog, and I have been in remission. I hate to get back on the Crohn's rollercoaster all over again. My doc said he'll give me Flagyl to counteract the Augmentin if I don't get better once I stop the antibiotics. If anyone has any experience with any of this or words of wisdom, I would appreciate it!
51 yr. old female, diagnosed with Crohn's in small intestine and terminal ileum Sept-Oct. 2007. Also have IBS, and had Salmonella Dec. '07
currently taking Pentasa- 4 500mg pills per day, Metamucil and colace for constipation, probiotics


PV
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   Posted 3/15/2010 6:53 PM (GMT -7)   
(((Hugs))). I don't have much advice on the antibiotics, but I just wanted to give you a hug. It has been a rough week for you. The loss of a beloved pet is always so hard to take. I do wish our pets would live as long as we do!

I hope you don't have to take the Augmentin for long. I would worry about c-diff infections if you are on antibiotics. Taking the flagyl as a preventative may be a good idea - this is what my husband's GI said he would do if my husband (who has struggled with c-diff) had to take antibiotics.

I hope you heal up soon, and Crohn's doesn't rear its ugly head. Here's wishing you the best.

(((Hugs again)))
PV
Husband with Crohn's
Diagnosed March 2003 Ulcerative Proctitis
Diagnosed March 2008 Crohn's & C-diff, hospitalized 45 days
Crohn's in Remission since June 2008
C-diff recurrence Sep 2009
Reactive Arthritis Nov 2009
Currently c-diff free
Osteopenia of spine (Mar 2010)
Canasa (1gm), Lialda (4.8 gms), Remicade (8 weeks)
Currently In Remission


medchrt1
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   Posted 3/15/2010 7:12 PM (GMT -7)   
are you saying that you took antibiotics previously (for crohns) and if so, did you improve? ...as you say you are in remission, so was that from the same antibiotic?
You imply I should have words of wisdom...there are none pertaining to the bite...as the antibiotic prescribed as precaution from bacteria seems reasonable.

Since you say words of wisdom this suggests you have some additional information or have heard of something? You allude to a relationship between anitbiotic and rollercoaster? If this is true, it possible there is relationship but you do not appear to be allergic to penicillin as you were prescribed augmentin (verify) yet my words of wisdom would have red flagged this area if you were allergic. So i dont understand the roller coaster reference. It sort of implies a suggetion of the antibiotic as a trigger for crohns. I have similar thoughts if that is what you imply. The relationship however is through allergy however and since you are not allergic then Im at loss of what to add. Do you have any allergies?

Most of all however is the phrase "Flagyl to counteract the Augmentin"...I would absolutely ask what the h*** that means.

Grandpato2
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   Posted 3/15/2010 10:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Gumby sorry to hear of the loss of your pet! It so unfortunate that when we first get a pet we know were going to out live it. It doesn't stop us from loving them and enjoying their lives with us though. I think your cat's action was a reaction and not something to be concerned about, he was trying to protect his life. Regards Rob
Male, 54 years old with Crohn's since 15 years old, diagnosed at age 46. Terminal ileum resected 2002. 5 months of remission. Crohn's has now been active since early 2003. Had a gall bladder removed Nov. of 2009. Currently on Remicade every 8 weeks, Nexium, Iron, B-12 injection every 4 weeks,5-asa Asacol, Morphine Sulfate as needed for pain. Cymbalta for long term pain control. 5-asa Salofalk, Entecort, Imuran and Prednisone in the past.


Susiebuddy
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   Posted 3/15/2010 11:00 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Gumby :)

So sorry to hear about the loss of your dog.. I know how I'd feel if I lost one of my beloved dogs... absolutely crushed.. I've got one little dog in particular and if anything happened to him.. you'd have to give me a bottle of Xanax and leave me alone for a month... and your kitty I'm sure was reacting normally to the fact of being rolled over on... lol.. It was his way of getting your attention before his life ended... lol..

As far as the antibiotics, I'm sorry to hear the trouble you are having with the Augmentin.. I've never taken antibiotocs since being diagnosed with IBD and I condider myself lucky in that regard... I've always been pretty healthy except for THAT... lol.. I don't have any experience or words of wisdom as far as antibiotics go, but I just wanted to wish you a good recovery from your kitty nip, and that I hope you don't have any complications from the meds and can just get better...
 Diagnosed with Ulcerative Colitis January 31st, 2005, Testing for Crohn's 3/10
 Prior Meds:
Canasa, Rowasa, Lialda, Apriso, Prednisone, 1 infusion of Remicade.. none of those worked for too long... Had neurological complications from the Remicade...
 Current Meds:
Pentasa 2000mg 2x a day, Entocort 9mg daily, Nexium 40mg once a day, Wellbutrin 150mg once a day. Culturelle 2x a day, Xanax as needed and Ambien at night for sleep..  
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gumby44
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   Posted 3/16/2010 5:18 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for all of your support. Medchart1...in answer to your questions. I don't have an actual allergy to Augmentin (like hives,etc.) but it causes severe diarrhea which runs the risk of activating the Crohn's inflammation. It scares me especially because I was originally diagnosed with Crohn's after being sick with a throat infection and taking Augmentin. I ended out with a bleeding ulcer in my small intestine and severe anemia. The Flagyl would be to counteract the C-diff from the Augmentin. I love my GI and he is aware of all of this. It's just a very difficult problem to solve. I need to take the Augmentin long enough to prevent infection from the cat, but short enough not to activate the Crohn's. My D is horrendous this morning...like a colonoscopy prep, and I have to go to work! I think I'll skip the antibiotic pill until I get home. I am feeling pretty overwhelmed.....I wish life didn't have to be so complicated!
51 yr. old female, diagnosed with Crohn's in small intestine and terminal ileum Sept-Oct. 2007. Also have IBS, and had Salmonella Dec. '07
currently taking Pentasa- 4 500mg pills per day, Metamucil and colace for constipation, probiotics


Nanners
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   Posted 3/16/2010 6:24 AM (GMT -7)   
Gumby I am sorry to hear of the loss of your beloved dog. Big hugs to you! As for the Augementin that tears up my guts something fierce. I had to stop them after about 8 days as I was so sick to my stomach because of it. If you have gotten at least 7 days down, I would just stop it. I think that amount of antibiotics would have killed any germs from the cat bite. Hugs and good luck!
Gail*Nanners* Co-Moderator for Crohns Disease & Anxiety/Panic
Crohn's Disease for over 34 years. Currently on Asacol, Prilosec, Estrace, Prinivil, Diltiazem, Percoset prn for pain, Zofran, Phenergan, Probiotics, Calcium, Vit D, and Xanax prn. Resections in 2002 & 2005. Also diagnosed w/ Fibromyalgia, Osteoarthritis, & Anxiety. Currently my Crohns is in remission, but my joints are going crazy!
*Every tomorrow has two handles.  We can take hold of it by the handle of anxiety, or by the handle of faith"*

vixen
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   Posted 3/16/2010 12:06 PM (GMT -7)   
Can't offer any advice on the drugs but just wanted to say how sorry I am that you are without your four legged friend. It is never easy, especially when you have to 'decide' it is the right time. I think that 15 is a good age though, definitely at the upper end for a retriever. I am sure that you have plenty of wonderful memories-treasure them ((((hugs)))

joy47
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   Posted 3/16/2010 5:42 PM (GMT -7)   
Gumby Im really sorry about your retriever they are such good dogs. about 8 years ago I had a blk lab and a brown lab they were good dogs. It takes a little time but you'll get over it. And your cat I think your right you just freaked him/her out. Now Augementin or any antibiotic it always gives me the big D. Its funny when I'm given Augementin and predisone at the same time I get thrush. But I don't like imodium it really binds me. Makes me uncomfortable. I don't blame you there. There are other antibiotics out there maybe you could ask your doctor to change it. That is if you still need it. I took probotics and they stop me up bad. And I dont ever get constipated. So I'm not sure, if your already taking them, maybe a larger dose or yogurt. It may sound weird but sometimes bread will slow things down for me. I did read somewhere that you should take probiotics while your on antibiotics and for so long after too. But I dont remember for how long that is after. Also you may want to take something for anxiety just for a short period or something to distress. I hope some of this is useful. Again I'm sorry for your loss.

gumby44
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   Posted 3/17/2010 11:38 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for everyone's support! My eye looks much better. My digestive system is a mess. I was having the big D all day and all night. I feel like I had a colonoscopy prep!! So, I decided to stop the antibiotics. I made it to 5 days, and I just hope that was good enough. The immodium does stop it for awhile, but then I get all crampy and bloated until it wears off, and then back to the D. I only take it and starve myself when I have to work. I am still getting teary eyed every time I walk in the house and my dog is not there. Hopefully, everything will get better soon. I really value all your encouragement!
51 yr. old female, diagnosed with Crohn's in small intestine and terminal ileum Sept-Oct. 2007. Also have IBS, and had Salmonella Dec. '07
currently taking Pentasa- 4 500mg pills per day, Metamucil and colace for constipation, probiotics


Zanne
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   Posted 3/17/2010 12:24 PM (GMT -7)   
Sending you big hugs on the lose of your dog! I have 2 kids, lots of neices and a nephew, but my cat is my screen saver! She sleeps on my pillow every night. I would be lost without her. ((((HUGS))))
Suzanne

CD 20 years officially, 30 unofficially. 3 resections '93, '95 '97
Managing with strict low residue diet, keeping symptoms to a minimum. All test show small amount of ulceration, still have occasional blockages. But still have a great time with my 2 daughters and husband!


Prednisone, 6MP,Prevacid, B12 shots, Bentyl, Xifaxan.....


Nanners
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   Posted 3/17/2010 12:39 PM (GMT -7)   
((((gumby44)))) Big Hugs to you! I did just like you and quit the Augmentin, that stuff made me SOOOO sick too.
Gail*Nanners* Co-Moderator for Crohns Disease & Anxiety/Panic
Crohn's Disease for over 34 years. Currently on Asacol, Prilosec, Estrace, Prinivil, Diltiazem, Percoset prn for pain, Zofran, Phenergan, Probiotics, Calcium, Vit D, and Xanax prn. Resections in 2002 & 2005. Also diagnosed w/ Fibromyalgia, Osteoarthritis, & Anxiety. Currently my Crohns is in remission, but my joints are going crazy!
*Every tomorrow has two handles.  We can take hold of it by the handle of anxiety, or by the handle of faith"*

pmedic
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   Posted 3/17/2010 12:51 PM (GMT -7)   
I am sorry for the loss of your beloved dog. (((Big hug)))!!!
Dx:Ulcerative Colitis March 2008
Dx: Crohns May 2008
No surgeries yet but I am desperately trying to keep my colon.
8 blood transfusions, SVT due to low H&H, Anxiety during new medication injections due to past reactions. 
Been through MANY medications with terrible results.
Currently on Cimzia, Welchol (for crohns), Ambien (prn), xanax(prn), Cod Liver Oil and Feosol iron.
Organic diet has made a big difference for me. 
Learning how to love life and relax. 

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