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comedybob
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   Posted 4/28/2010 11:08 AM (GMT -7)   
does anyone know the difference? my sons levels came back and D2 is low, but D3 is higher?
bob b
13 year old son diagnosed at 9,
one month of pred at beginning 
2 years of immuran ineffective
SCD seems to be helping(less pain gained 3 pounds in three weeks)


EMom
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   Posted 4/28/2010 11:45 AM (GMT -7)   
I know that I've read to avoid foods with ADDED D2, so perhaps a lower level of D2 is good, but I have no idea... I would start here:


http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/


Also, Dr. Mercola (you have to subscribe to his website which costs nothing) follows vitamin D research. Perhaps he'd have some information on his site.
Mom to 17 year old son diagnosed in June, 2007.
Omega 3s, digestive enzymes, probiotics, vit. C, calcium, vit. D3, a good multivitamin and SCD legal yogurt
Started The Maker's Diet in Sept. '07. Incorporate Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) recipes, too. Med-free.

Threads discussing diet:
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17&m=984588
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17&m=1533705
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17&p=1&m=1262312


CrazyHarry
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   Posted 4/28/2010 4:43 PM (GMT -7)   
D2 is what they used to fortify foods like milk with. they are now moving to D3 cos D2 has been shown to be toxic (and it is synthetetic). stay away from D2.

stick with the SCD.
Crazy Harry

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Crohn's since 1993 (17 yrs old then)
surgery in July '05 - removal of 2 inches at ileum and 8 inches of sigmoid colon (had fistula into bladder)
Nov '05 developed colonic inertia; July '06 told i needed ostomy surgery
began maker's diet in August '06 - now feeling the best ever with no symptoms of colonic inertia and i kept my colon
med free as of 10/31/07


IamCurious
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   Posted 4/29/2010 5:34 PM (GMT -7)   
When blood is tested to assess vitamin D status, what is actually measured is the metabolically active 25-hydroxyvitamin D form of the vitamin in the blood serum.

Vitamin D3 (cholecalciferol) is considered more natural and is what is produced by your body when exposed to sunlight. D2 is what is added to foods such as milk and is not quite as easily assimilated by the body.

It doesn't matter what your D2 or D3 levels are, the name of the game is to get 25-hydroxyvitamin D levels to the optimal range, between 30 and 50 ng/mL. Get it measured during your next blood work or cholesterol test. And Vitamin D is one of the few vitamins where it is possible to overdose. But with regular monitoring you will most likely find that your have to supplement regularly to keep your blood levels up, especially now after a long winter indoors away from the sun.

I supplement 3000 IU D3 a day and can barely achieve optimal levels in the summer despite beach weather and golf outdoors and just below optimal levels in the winter. But everyone is different.

If you have any doubts about the value of D, google 'vitamin d Crohn's'. While you are at it google 'vitamin D cancer', 'vitamin d heart disease' or vitamin D anything. Research in the past 5 years is overwhelming, it truly is the panacea vitamin.

Post Edited (BabeintheWoods) : 5/12/2010 8:56:19 PM (GMT-6)


Former58D
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   Posted 4/30/2010 5:43 AM (GMT -7)   
I supplement with 8-10k IUs of vitamin D on the days I don't lay out. My 25(OH)D3 test came back at 51 ng/L. Trying to get to 60 ng/L.
"What can't be changed must be endured" - unknown

DX with distal Crohn's colitis Oct 2007, predominantly in rectum
Colozal and Canasa for 2+ years - developed an intolerance
6MP - elevated LFTs after 100mg, no effect after 9 months
Currently: Remicade (Nov '09), and Paleo Diet. Not quite remission, but so much better!


njmom
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   Posted 4/30/2010 3:30 PM (GMT -7)   
How long have you been supplementing with 8K-10K?

Daughter (22) Dx'd Crohn's 3/06. Misdiagnosed for two years, including by top pediatric Crohn's specialist as stress. No symptoms for the past three years. March '09 colonoscopy showed stricture gone but two spots of inflammation in TI. Used LDN to taper off Entocort last fall. (Was on Entocort since April 06.) Never had D. 4.5 mg LDN, SCD multivit, homemade yogurt, 5000IU vit D3, 1000 mg calcium, 27-54 mg iron, monthly B12 shots, daily oral B12 1000, 10mg zinc. SCD diet modified years ago to include potatoes and rice. 


IamCurious
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   Posted 5/6/2010 5:58 AM (GMT -7)   
Quest Diagnostics needs to clean up their procedures for measuring Vitamin D. Quest's numbers are usually too high. For example a reading of 40 from LabCorp, ARUP, or Clinical Pathology will show up in a Quest reading of about 48 or so.

Becky77
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   Posted 5/12/2010 6:24 PM (GMT -7)   
I'm a little confused. I had a bone density scan a couple years ago and it came back that I have osteopenia. At the time, the endocrinologist prescribed vitamin D to take only once a month. I don't have the money to pay another copay since I'm unemployed right now, so I had my PCP prescribe vit D, but when I went to pick it up, the pharmacist said I could get it OTC. He prescribed Vitamin D3 10,000 Iu to take just once a month, so I got a bottle of 5000 IU and would take 2 of them. The prescription I had before was vitamin D 50mu to take once a month. I'm wondering now if this is the same thing?? Does anyone know the difference between mu and iu??
Becky

32 yr old female-dx with Crohn's in '97 after emergency resection and appendectomy, 2nd resection '05, Bilateral pulmonary emboli 10/09
Currently on Humira, Omeprazole, Effexor, Seroquel, Calcium, Vit D
Coumadin stopped 3/15/10!!!!


IamCurious
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   Posted 5/12/2010 8:09 PM (GMT -7)   
I think that 50mu (micrograms) is equal to only 2,000 IU, but I really don't know. But I do know that 10,000 IU taken once a month is not enough, at least for me and for most people. I measure my blood levels regularly and even with taking 3,000 IU every day I can barely maintain optimal blood levels. But you have to be careful with Vit D because it is one of the few vitamins that you can overdose on.

Everyone's need is different. The safest bet is to measure your blood levels of D and see how much you need to get your blood levels to the optimum levels. You will probably find that you need to take more in the winter than during the summer when you are outdoors and in the sunshine. It only costs an extra $25 to include a vit D measurement with your next cholesterol test or blood work.

Doctors sometimes prescribe Vit D in 50,000 IU pills taken once a week for patients with deficiency until their blood levels become normal. But that is way too much for normal people to take every day without going into toxic overdose.
DX ulcerative colitis Feb08, possible Crohn's colitis DX March 2010.
58 y/o straight male. Allergy to shellfish contributed to 1st major flare.
No Meds, allergic to Mesalamine. I find Psyllium seeds especially helpful.

Boswellia, E. Coli Nissle (Mutaflor), turmeric, fish oil, Saccharomyces boulardii, Jarrodophilus, multiple vitamin, extra D3, C, high gamma E, magnesium, Avoca Asu, slippery elm, phosphatityl choline, glutamine, sometimes VSL3. Diet includes copious amounts of fruit and vegetables, no soda, tea instead of coffee, very few processed foods, no carrageenan.

“Nature created all of the locks, therefore Nature has all of the keys”

Post Edited (BabeintheWoods) : 5/12/2010 9:14:12 PM (GMT-6)


Becky77
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   Posted 5/12/2010 8:45 PM (GMT -7)   
My vitamin D levels weren't very low at all, but he wanted me to take vit d and calcuim together to help with the digestion and absorption of them both. I'm not taking the D because I'm deficient, though having the levels rechecked would be the smart thing to do.

Thanks for your reply!
Becky

32 yr old female-dx with Crohn's in '97 after emergency resection and appendectomy, 2nd resection '05, Bilateral pulmonary emboli 10/09
Currently on Humira, Omeprazole, Effexor, Seroquel, Calcium, Vit D
Coumadin stopped 3/15/10!!!!


EMom
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   Posted 5/13/2010 5:26 AM (GMT -7)   
bar77 said...
He prescribed Vitamin D3 10,000 Iu to take just once a month, so I got a bottle of 5000 IU and would take 2 of them. The prescription I had before was vitamin D 50mu to take once a month. I'm wondering now if this is the same thing?? Does anyone know the difference between mu and iu??


Microgram is usually abbreviated as mcg. I would give your pharmacist a call and ask!

Whatever it is, if it is equal to only 10,000 a month, I agree with BabeintheWoods; you're not getting much at all. Not sure it that would even make the current recommended daily allowance, which nearly all experts agree is sorely low...
Mom to 17 year old son diagnosed in June, 2007.
Omega 3s, digestive enzymes, probiotics, vit. C, calcium, vit. D3, a good multivitamin and SCD legal yogurt
Started The Maker's Diet in Sept. '07. Incorporate Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) recipes, too. Med-free.

Threads discussing diet:
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17&m=984588
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17&m=1533705
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17&p=1&m=1262312

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