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heatmiser
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   Posted 5/5/2010 12:23 PM (GMT -7)   
Has anyone ever heard about a fungus diet with the theory being that maybe fungi is making us sick in general? I haven't yet researched to see if there's any link to cd, but I'm wondering if anyone has ever looked at this idea or tried an anti-fungal diet and noticed any improvement. I'm not very disciplined at trying these restrictive diets, but I'm so tired of this ongoing flare.
Dxd CD in 2003. Scope Aug/09 shows UC.
Meds: Colazal, prilosec, darvocet, prednisone, cipro, flagyl


cleo35
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   Posted 5/5/2010 1:48 PM (GMT -7)   
Wow. That's one I hadn't heard....what does an anti-fungal diet consist of?

heatmiser
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   Posted 5/5/2010 4:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Based on my limited research, it seems to eliminate sugars and most normal grains that we are used to. Apparently fungi feed off sugars. It looks pretty restrictive but it looks like it also has phases so it might just be more difficult at first. So it looks a lot like a low carb diet but I'm really simplifying what I've been reading. Meats, eggs, certain nuts, most vegis are ok. My current medical approach to this flare is not helping very much so I'm exploring other options. I work random hours though so I really need something easy, and cooking from scratch to control ingredients will be hard for me. That's why I've never tried the SCD one before. I did seem to do better on the Maker's diet in the past and may try that again. But I've got some toenail fungus issues that seem to slowly be getting worse despite my attempts to fix it, so this anti-fungal thing made me think it could help with that too.
Dxd CD in 2003. Scope Aug/09 shows UC.
Meds: Colazal, prilosec, darvocet, prednisone, cipro, flagyl


kim123
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   Posted 5/5/2010 4:48 PM (GMT -7)   

Where did you hear of the fungus theory? I don't have Crohn's, but had UC symptoms for 8 years. Was an antifungal diet that healed me and sustains me now. I am not wholly antifungal right now, but take various supplements that build my immunity, restore bowel flora and fight inflammation. From time to time I'll go back on the phase one diet and take a course of natural antifungals (olive leaf extract or caqprylic acid) for maintenance. There are articles written on fungus and causes of diseases such as Crohn's/UC, among others like diabetes, cancer......

I'm wondering if you are referring of the same diet I followed. It is not that hard once you get past the first few days. Expect to feel worse before feeling better once you start. Your toenail fungus is a telling sign you probably have fungus issues inside your body. It is ubiquitous....everywhere! Had you ever been on antibiotics before you got sick?- even as a small child?

Common foods like grains, including corn, and peanuts are commonly contaminated with mycotoxins. Alcohol and antibiotics are mycotoxins. Sugar and starchy carbohydrates feed fungus. These foods need to be avoided if you suspect fungus to be a cause of your symptoms.


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   Posted 5/5/2010 6:37 PM (GMT -7)   
That could be IT, we have a fungus amongus ....
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heatmiser
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   Posted 5/5/2010 11:17 PM (GMT -7)   
Maybe they did say something about toadstools when they scoped me, Sniper. That versed was great. Ok, maybe it was just bad stools.

Kim, I originally was told about it from a friend several years ago, but just saw a program on tv while channel surfing and it reminded me. It was Doug Kaufman and I think the book was called The Fungus Cure (?) I have had antibiotics several times in my life. And it seems I eat all the foods that fungi love. Is this the diet you did? I saw some other websites about it today, so it appears there are others that believe this theory. I just haven't heard of it applied to IBD but you are giving me hope. I would love to know what you did. I was wondering if I made the transistion slowly if I could reduce that 'get worse before you get better' part.
Dxd CD in 2003. Scope Aug/09 shows UC.
Meds: Colazal, prilosec, darvocet, prednisone, cipro, flagyl


Sniper
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   Posted 5/6/2010 5:17 AM (GMT -7)   
On a serious note Heatmiser, I have read articles for years about fungus being the number one cause of many maladies . Some even believe that it is what causes ageing. Trouble is the little buggers are almost imposible to find and to fight. Most are very necessary and hard to identify. We had something in Nam called jungle rot. Happened when you stayed wet. Once you had it you were in a world of trouble because it was almost imposible to get rid of and even if the symptoms cleared up,,,it came back. Yep, it is a fungus . Dont think its just in places like the jungle. People can end up with it from sitting in a hot tub that has not been properly kept . If you think its bad on your feet, try having it on your fanny. No fun with fungi...
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   Posted 5/6/2010 6:15 AM (GMT -7)   
Yeast is in the Fungi kingdom (yes, Sniper. You are a fun guy! wink ). Alternative docs have known for decades that people with IBD have a yeast overgrowth problem (candida albicans). Most allopathic docs have come to the same conclusion, too. This might explain why many people who try one of the several anti-yeast, anti-fungal diets (SCD is one) experience an improvement in symptoms. Problem is, there is a die-off period of time which can last from weeks to months. Some people feel they are getting worse during this time because they FEEL worse (extreme lethargy, more gas, bloating). This is a symptom of the dying off of the bad yeast/fungus. If they can hold on through that die-off period, often times they are rewarded in the end. During this time, replacing the bad beasties with the good beasties (probiotics) is crucial....and should continue for the rest of one's life. This is where fermented foods come in!
Mom to 17 year old son diagnosed in June, 2007.
Omega 3s, digestive enzymes, probiotics, vit. C, calcium, vit. D3, a good multivitamin and SCD legal yogurt
Started The Maker's Diet in Sept. '07. Incorporate Specific Carbohydrate Diet (SCD) recipes, too. Med-free.

Threads discussing diet:
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17&m=984588
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17&m=1533705
http://www.healingwell.com/community/default.aspx?f=17&p=1&m=1262312


Sniper
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   Posted 5/6/2010 6:44 AM (GMT -7)   
EMom,,,rewarded in the end ??? My end could use a reward . I told my wife my end was defunct ,but she says ," Ohhhhh no its not, its still very funky ..
If we would read the secret history of our enemies,we would find in each mans life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility.


EMom
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   Posted 5/6/2010 7:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Sniper said...
EMom,,,rewarded in the end ??? My end could use a reward . I told my wife my end was defunct ,but she says ," Ohhhhh no its not, its still very funky ..



hahahahahahahahaha! Darn! I thought I'd beaten you to the punch! I should know not to try to outsmart you, Sniper!

Sniper
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   Posted 5/6/2010 7:28 AM (GMT -7)   
You know old sniper ,,,just has to get a shot in ...
If we would read the secret history of our enemies,we would find in each mans life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility.


kim123
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   Posted 5/6/2010 3:43 PM (GMT -7)   
Yup, it's Doug Kaufmann. His research saved my life. Since then I am a FUPO head...fungus until proven otherwise. I also just happened upon him while channel surfing some 9 years ago. I went radical with the antifungals (took 6/day) because I wanted the little buggers out of me, so I experienced quite a die-off. I almost went to the emergency room, seriously. I think it helps if you take psyllium to help bind the toxins and carry them out of your body. And, taking smaller amounts of antifungals may help, but would it take longer?...dunno.
 
The diet is not a diet, or magic bullet...it is a lifestyle change. I no longer hog out on bread, potatoes, pasta, processed foods because I know it will bother me, especially yeast or variations of yeast, and fungi need those foods to survive. Of course, I still treat myself, but I never want to go back to the way I was. For me, it is worth eating more real, whole foods, and staying away form the other. I feel so much better when I do, so I don't even miss all the other crap I used to eat anymore.
 
BTW, Doug has an online show tonight (and Tuesdays)from his website at 8 ET. I watch him when I can. It is a call-in show of people asking him questions. His diet is also posted free on his website, along with other info on fungus.

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   Posted 5/6/2010 7:20 PM (GMT -7)   
My candida albicans had invaded my intestines, skin, eyes and my tongue. It was confirmed at overgrowth levels by a Complete Stool Kit. Emom is right. You have to follow the no carb, no sugar diet and use probiotics to replace the beneficial bacteria. In nine months the diarhea, hives, dermatitis, itchy eyes and swollen tongue were gone. However, I will fight this the rest of my life because candida is very pesky.

Keep in my that my diagnosis of overgrowth was confirmed by a complete stool kit. Based upon those results, my doc devised a plan which included many things in addition to probiotics. I would not recommend an anti-candida plan to anyone who hasn't been tested. But I would recommend the use of probiotics during and shortly after anti-biotic use.

I'm not sure I ever had crohn's in the first place. Time will tell.
Age 58, Crohn's since age 21
3 bowel resections, 1980,88,95
1 fistula repair, 2005
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EMom
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   Posted 5/6/2010 11:46 PM (GMT -7)   
kim123 said...
Since then I am a FUPO head...fungus until proven otherwise.


Sniper??? Surely you're not gonna let that one go without a comment....? devil


Kim123, in all seriousness, WOW! You nearly went to the ER with die-off issues? whoa... I'm glad it gave you results in the end, though! (ooops...I said it again...) And I agree that it's not a diet, but rather a lifestyle change.

I get Doug Kaufman's newsletter, but have not seen his show. I will check it out sometime (can't tonight). Thanks for the tip!

hldwodrgs, you sure had a severe case of candida! And you are right about its peskiness... I've read it's VERY difficult to rid yourself of it.

tsitodawg
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   Posted 5/7/2010 1:46 AM (GMT -7)   
Darn, someone already used my fun guy joke. The one about what is the favorite pickup line of mushrooms?.. Come on baby I'm a fun guy.. Or what happened when the mushroom hit the carrot? He was left a vegetable.
All kidding aside, I have heard of a ton of different diets but never the fungus one. It almost sounds counterproductive because of overgrowth but would be interesting if anyone who is not link to an author or group has actually had success with it. I do know that mushrooms in any form has been a great safe food for me.

Sniper
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   Posted 5/7/2010 5:49 AM (GMT -7)   
EMom, I thought I best leave that one alone as I can come up with lots of other words that fit FUPO but I could be sent to the dungeon for most of them.
If we would read the secret history of our enemies,we would find in each mans life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility.


njmom
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   Posted 5/7/2010 10:27 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes, Dr. Leo Galland claims to have induced remission via an antifungal diet.
Daughter (22) Dx'd Crohn's 3/06. Misdiagnosed for two years, including by top pediatric Crohn's specialist as stress. No symptoms for the past three years. March '09 colonoscopy showed stricture gone but two spots of inflammation in TI. Used LDN to taper off Entocort last fall. (Was on Entocort since April 06.) Never had D. 4.5 mg LDN, SCD multivit, homemade yogurt, 5000IU vit D3, 1000 mg calcium, 27-54 mg iron, monthly B12 shots, daily oral B12 1000, 10mg zinc. SCD diet modified years ago to include potatoes and rice. 


heatmiser
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   Posted 5/7/2010 11:17 PM (GMT -7)   
I ordered the cookbook with the diet in it. I think I'm going to ease into it. I need to kick my coffee habit, then my sugar habit, then I'll tackle those grains. I'm a wimp, but I am hoping that die-off reaction might be less if I go slower. I'll let you know how it goes. I figure I've got nothing to lose except the money for the book and the effort I put into it.
Dxd CD in 2003. Scope Aug/09 shows UC.
Meds: Colazal, prilosec, darvocet, prednisone, cipro, flagyl

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