What would a liquid diet consist of ?

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Sniper
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   Posted 6/8/2010 11:49 AM (GMT -7)   
 If I had to go on a liquid diet, just what would i need to drink and how hard would it be to get enough vitamins and minerals or would I have to supplement ?
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Lizard99
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   Posted 6/8/2010 12:23 PM (GMT -7)   
Do you have a juicer? are you able to drink vegetable juices? I can and i swear my juicer has saved my life by juicing kale/spinach/celery/cucumbers.  But use caution i know that some people cannot tolerate them.  Wishing you the best. i also here others talk of ensure but i cannot tolerate that.  The best of luck to you.

Homeboy
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   Posted 6/8/2010 12:27 PM (GMT -7)   
Jello, chicken broth, juice, to name a few.
 
Chocolate milkshake is proably not it, but I dunno for sure, depends what kind of liquid diet you mean.
 
Yes, you would have to supplement, you just could not get enough vitamins.  I supplement anyways, regardless.

Writer
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   Posted 6/8/2010 12:31 PM (GMT -7)   
As long as you choose one of the standard meal-replacement drinks that are made for this purpose, you wouldn't have to have additional vitamins and minerals; they would provide all that you need. The easiest to find are Ensure and Boost, which are available in groceries and pharmacies. There also are a range of more specialized formulas that you can order through the manufacturers or medical supply houses. Some people respond best to one formula or another, others respond to any, but it's not predictable in advance.

dunny2
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   Posted 6/8/2010 2:42 PM (GMT -7)   
What's up Sniper, are things getting worse for you?
Vicky

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pimfram
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   Posted 6/8/2010 2:44 PM (GMT -7)   
I lived off the following for almost 2 months:

Jell-o
Pudding
Soup
Applesauce
Ensure/Boost
Diagnosed with CD July 2007
Currently on Remicade, Imuran, probiotics, folic acid, multivitamin.
Resection December 2009

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Howlyncat
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   Posted 6/8/2010 6:46 PM (GMT -7)   
Whats up my friend
im a lil worried
when i had that long hospital stay last yr then home i was like 80 lbs
drank ensure n boost as well as jello
pudding soup broths....
i dont know about your area but in ontario if the doc rx n you hv to meet the criteria..
the stuff is covered. 
huggs
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Post Edited (Howlyncat) : 6/8/2010 7:49:55 PM (GMT-6)


Sniper
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   Posted 6/8/2010 10:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Its the diabetes. I just cant eat what i need to eat to help the crohns and not run my blood sugar up. My numbers are way way too high and I dont use sugar or dring soft drinks . I'm staying away from starches but then the crohns rears it ugly head. I cant eat lettuce , but I do eat vegies but even with just meat and veg. my levels are in the 240 to 290 range with a high over 300 sometimes. Yep its bad . I lost feeling in my toes long ago . I really really dont want to be on insulin but i am on three kinds of diabetes meds and nothing is helping right now. Looks like I am sc----- and tattooed.
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mdf34
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   Posted 6/9/2010 12:03 AM (GMT -7)   
I was gonna say what great question until I saw your reason.....sorry about that.  But I have been thinking the same thing lately.  Just to give everything a break to heal.  I was thinking it is time to consult a nutritionist or clinical dietician, if insurance covers it.
Diagnosed (FINALLY) UC Sept 09/Diagnosis amended 5-3-10 to Crohn's
Taking Pentasa 500mg/8x/day
Entocort 3X/day
Bentyl as needed
1000 mg Vitamin C
Prilosec 1X/day
Flonase
 
 


jpnutritionfirst
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   Posted 6/9/2010 5:13 AM (GMT -7)   
google a product called Peptamen OS, just drink that stuff
Crohn's Colitis diagnosed 6/08
Organic SCD since 4/09
Remicade from 6/09 to 4/10
Boswellia + Natren's Healthy Trinity probiotic + Cinnamon + Wild Oregano Oil + vitamin D + zinc


Sniper
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   Posted 6/9/2010 7:09 AM (GMT -7)   
MDF, I've already done the nutritionist, they are as baffled as I . The diabetes diet and the crohns diet are total opposites . I'm really disgusted with the whole situation and feel like throwing all the meds away and just let the two diseases fight it out on there own just to see which one gets me first . I've been on borrowed time anyway. I'm tired of pills, infusions and doctors and it looks like the more I am medicated the more illnesses pop up. Maybe I need the old, dont ask , dont tell option.

*Sorry Sniper but I had to remove part of your post as it could wind up getting too polital and argumentative*

 

Post Edited By Moderator (Nanners) : 6/9/2010 8:43:37 AM (GMT-6)


Nanners
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   Posted 6/9/2010 7:44 AM (GMT -7)   
Sorry you are feeling so bad Sniper. I can't imagine fighting between diabetes and Crohns. It sure does seem sometimes that we can't win for losing. Hugs!
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dunny2
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   Posted 6/9/2010 9:23 AM (GMT -7)   
Sniper, my friend I know just how you feel. My diet for CP has to only have about 1/3 of fat, so they want
me to eat *healthy* stay away from starchy mainstays. BUT like you my CD won't tolerate *healthy* and
I so want Mashed potatoes and bread, my *safe food*. It's like being between the devil and the deep blue
sea You know maybe insulin would be good for you right now. Maybe then your *diet* wouldn't be quite so
hard.
I know you're feeling low ( I can hear it in your voice), but hopefully this all pass too. I do understand!! ((((hugs)))
Vicky

Too many years with CD
Two bowel resections, several obstructions.
Fibromyalgia and recently diagnosed with chronic pancreatitis and lupus.
B12 Shots bi-weekly

Laughter is the brush that sweeps the cobwebs from our hearts...


dunny2
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   Posted 6/9/2010 9:35 AM (GMT -7)   
Just had another thought. you say the nutritionist is as baffled as you. Is there anyway, that some of your meds/infusions
could be affecting your sugar levels?
Vicky

Too many years with CD
Two bowel resections, several obstructions.
Fibromyalgia and recently diagnosed with chronic pancreatitis and lupus.
B12 Shots bi-weekly

Laughter is the brush that sweeps the cobwebs from our hearts...


dunny2
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   Posted 6/9/2010 9:41 AM (GMT -7)   
Me again. I thought I'd let you know that my 4 year old grandson wants to give you a cookie! He asked what I
was doing, and I told him that my friend was feeling a little sad, so I was writing a little note to help him feel
better. So in his eyes cookies are the best thing for making you feel good. So please have a small cookie, compliments
of Aidan. LOL.
Vicky

Too many years with CD
Two bowel resections, several obstructions.
Fibromyalgia and recently diagnosed with chronic pancreatitis and lupus.
B12 Shots bi-weekly

Laughter is the brush that sweeps the cobwebs from our hearts...


Islandmutt09
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   Posted 6/9/2010 10:50 AM (GMT -7)   
When i was put on a liquid diet I had noting but soup, jello, pudding, gatorade, water, pedalite, ensure, and vitamin water. hope this helps!

Sniper
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   Posted 6/9/2010 11:49 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks everyone. I'm just trying to make it two more weeks and then doc and I will have a long talk. Dunny I am sure some of my meds are messing with my levels but the new one I was on just about did me in an I stopped it a month ago. But, levels never went back down and now I have numbness in my fingers that wont go away. Tell your little grandson thank you sooooooo much for the cookie. Thats just what I needed.
If we would read the secret history of our enemies,we would find in each mans life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility.


dunny2
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   Posted 6/9/2010 12:18 PM (GMT -7)   
Sniper I just let my grandson know that you were feeling much better after you're cookie. He puffed his
chest out like a proud peacock and said "see I told you" Kids.....
Vicky

Too many years with CD
Two bowel resections, several obstructions.
Fibromyalgia and recently diagnosed with chronic pancreatitis and lupus.
B12 Shots bi-weekly

Laughter is the brush that sweeps the cobwebs from our hearts...


j_web
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   Posted 6/9/2010 1:37 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Sniper - why so averse to insulin? Compared with the heavy drugs the CD exposes us to, insulin is nothing. It's not even a drug, it's a hormone. Children take it. I'm a type 1 and would have been dead years ago without it. It has NO side-effects other than lowering your blood sugar. You could try it for a few weeks and I'm sure you'll start to feel so much better that you'll wonder why you didn't do it sooner. They would probably start you off on only one shot per day to see if that was enough. And if you start to get your numbers down naturally, you could always get off insulin again. Sorry, you didn't want a lecture, but I KNOW that waking up at 300 is no fun, and I also know how hard it is to eat with CD, never mind adding diabetes on top of things. You must be exhausted (and cranky) all day long. Get yourself better {{hugs}}.

grumpygi
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   Posted 6/9/2010 3:46 PM (GMT -7)   
Sniper my friend (I am taking liberties as a newer member and am sure you will forgive this) but I so look up to you as many others do also. You have such a gift of words that encourage and uplift up the spirits of many.

In regards to needing insulin-my advice is to acquiesce to this medication. High glucose (sugar) levels are damaging to all tissues-the heart and all of the circulation supported by the heart, the small blood vessels in the eyes and as you are experiencing, the nerves. Skin, tears, and muscles cannot heal well when bathed in too much glucose that occur as a result of the daily insults of living. Remember- glucose is a normal digested product of what we eat and the pancreas adjusts insulin output based on triggering cues. In trending many posts over the last several months it seems that a secondary result of crohn's disease is digestive organ disruption. Equally important here is the role of medications and how they are metabolized-they do sometimes have negative effects and sometimes this results in diabetes. Grief is important here - and verbalizing the need for support is one of your strengths but this is process is not one of failure on your part. Personally, I think that the crohn's diet is of primary importance and adjusting insulin dosing to complement those dietary restrictions is more important than following the diabetic diet.

So take care, you are loved and respected by many and I am honored to call you friend.
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   Posted 6/9/2010 8:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Sniper, I'm so sorry you seem to be at a roadblock regarding diet. It's true - the diabetic diet and Crohns diet don't mesh. Before my resection, when things were really narrow, I was sticking to "brown" stuff - rice, potatos, beans, etc. because it went down easy. My colleague has been marked "pre diabetic" and is trying to eat a diabetic lifestyle and she needed to eat all the stuff I couldn't. We always joked that we could order 1 meal and split it and not have to share a thing.

I hope you can find some help soon.

Sniper
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   Posted 6/9/2010 10:11 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks guys, I am grateful for any advise, well wishes, pats on the back or anything else you guys send. J_web, grumpygi you make good points . I guess I'm just not ready to say I cant control this with a pill and diet but its looking like I'm headed for the needle. Aimee remind me not to have lunch with you and your friend . I may end up with only Ice. Dunny, you give that boy a big hug for me. Ohhhh for the days when all problems disappear with the taste of Mom's cookies.....
If we would read the secret history of our enemies,we would find in each mans life sorrow and suffering enough to disarm all hostility.


Howlyncat
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   Posted 6/10/2010 6:56 AM (GMT -7)   
My friend
im sure ive told you that my total hearing loss is from the iv med vancomycin that was used for the pyoderma sores i got
if i had known then what would be now
i never would hv let them give me that
but friend insulin is a non intrusive med n i sure hope you can do smtg n quick
also to note
i hv neuropathy ..
toes feet n fingers are numb
this happened about yr ago
i was checked for diabetes but alls good there

no matter what my friend you know you hv so much love n respect here from ppl n this will help too im sure
cait is now being checked for diabetes..
i pray its not that but if it is we shall forge on.....
tk care my friend
i need not tell you what ya mean to me..you n C ..you already know
loves n huggs
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   Posted 6/10/2010 8:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Dear friend,
The whole Diabetes and Crohnes thing really really stinks! I feel for ya lots! Going through the same thing all the time. I remember when I was first diagnosed and you reached out to me. Made me feel like there was somebody else dealing with both:) Fortunatley, my numbers aren't super high as of yet..so when Crohns is bad I just bail on the Diabetes diet...
Just went over all of this with my nutritionist blah blah...Crohns has been icky latley so I've got bad Diabetes numbers:( and right now we are on a wait and see thing for the next month before we start meds...yuck!
 
I have already decided that if they get bad enough...I'm going for a pump! Have you thought about it? Then you don't have to worry about needles and it just automatically kicks in what you need. I have friends who have done it and it's so much easier...who gives a flip at this point..right! If you feel better and it frees up some of your life....Do It!!! So much better than sitting around worrying about numbers,numbers,numbers! Having the numbness like you do is a sign to me that your damaging tissue...and well WE need you here! :)
       
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grumpygi
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   Posted 6/10/2010 8:39 PM (GMT -7)   
Amen sista!
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