Dogs get Crohns??

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GDen
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   Posted 6/10/2010 10:26 PM (GMT -6)   
Why not I guess. Poor doggies! :(

www.vetinfo.com/crohns-disease-in-dogs.html
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jpnutritionfirst
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   Posted 6/10/2010 11:03 PM (GMT -6)   
it's funny how they say part of treatment is giving dogs a diet low in fat . . . i would probably give them less corn based dog food and more of what they are supposed to eat -- MEAT
Crohn's Colitis diagnosed 6/08
Organic SCD since 4/09
Remicade from 6/09 to 4/10
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mtgman
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   Posted 6/10/2010 11:14 PM (GMT -6)   
yeah what people feed pets is basically crap. one of our border collies had rectal bleeding before he passed away last year. i felt so bad. what a good guy. some of the "boutique" foods and raw foods are really good but be prepared to spend A LOT of money for them. I also think it's funny how people will spend tons of money on toys and food but let their pets drink water out of the toliet. dogs need good water also.
35 year old male living in AZ.  Diagnosed with Crohns at age of 15.
Currently off Pred.  still taking Asacol.  Just had 1st Remicade infusion a week and a half ago
In the middle of a bad flare now for a year...lost almost 30 lbs. -- gained most of it back now.


spookyh
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   Posted 6/10/2010 11:28 PM (GMT -6)   
My dog suffers bouts of doggie colitis (he gets bloody D). Thankfully it's only when he doesn't eat right, so he's okay most of the time. We tried to get him to eat the BARF diet, but it was a no go. But at least the dog food he's eating now is grain free (Innova Evo). It's something like 95% meat and 5% vegetables.
35 years old, Crohn's disease for 15 of them
Resection of ileocecal valve on 09/22/09
Current Meds: LDN, Pentasa, Effexor XR
Supplements: 3 kinds of Fish Oil, Multi-Vitamin, Vitamin D, Calcium, CoQ10, Enzymes
SCD since 12/01/08 - eating Stage 3 foods


GDen
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   Posted 6/10/2010 11:29 PM (GMT -6)   
I've talked to several vets and they've all recommended Science Diet.
Cimzia, Asacol


vixen
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   Posted 6/11/2010 1:47 AM (GMT -6)   
 
Mine doesn't do too good on fresh meat, she gets chronic D for about 36 hours :(
For her we use Burn's Complete.

spookyh
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   Posted 6/11/2010 5:39 PM (GMT -6)   
GDen said...
I've talked to several vets and they've all recommended Science Diet.


I just looked a Science Diet recently (the stuff for small and toy breeds), and the first ingredient was Whole Grain Corn, yuck! Grains make my dog break out in itchy rashes, and then he gets bacterial and yeast infections in them. That's one of the reasons we had to find a grain free dog food.

Another weird thing I've discovered with my dog, as well as others I know: they will throw up within 10 minutes of ingesting something with red dye in them. My dog used to love those dark red T-Bones treats prior to developing this sensitivity, and there are a crap load of other dog treats/food that have red food dye in them.
35 years old, Crohn's disease for 15 of them
Resection of ileocecal valve on 09/22/09
Current Meds: LDN, Pentasa, Effexor XR
Supplements: 3 kinds of Fish Oil, Multi-Vitamin, Vitamin D, Calcium, CoQ10, Enzymes
SCD since 12/01/08 - eating Stage 3 foods


pam222
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   Posted 6/11/2010 7:12 PM (GMT -6)   
Yeah, a lot of vets recommend Science Diet because, sadly, they are not always super informed in animal nutrition. A good dog food has no corn and grain fillers and is meat. I feed Taste of the Wild. It's grain free and good quality
27/F Diagnosed with unspecified UC 11/08 (symptoms for over a year before)
Asacol, Prednisone, Remicade with no success--no remission for over 2 years
8/09 colonoscopy shows that the whole colon is affected
12/18/09 Removal of colon, creation of J-Pouch and ostomy; recessed stoma; 12/30/09 Takedown too soon; RV fistula;1/9/10 Second Ileostomy Surgery;
1/25/10 Stoma Revision Surgery; 3/30/10 Takedown again
6/9/10 Scope and Biopsy--Diagnosed with Crohns Disease
Lomotil 2 Tsp. (4/day), Flaygl 500 mg (2/day), TPN 14 hrs/day, IV fluids 4 hrs/day, Prednisone 5 mg (1/day), Florinef .05mg (1/day), Culturelle (1/day), Entocort 3 mg (3/day)


GDen
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   Posted 6/11/2010 7:22 PM (GMT -6)   
Nothing but meat?

The vets I talked to really seemed to know their stuff. Whole grain is better than partial grain. They ragged on pretty much all the supermarket brands. Science Diet claims to be specially formulated to be exactly what animals need to be healthy. But I'm no vet, er, um...
Cimzia, Asacol


NiceCupOfTea
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   Posted 6/11/2010 7:23 PM (GMT -6)   
Both cats and dogs can get Crohn's. And cows too, except in their case it's called Johne's disease <_<.

I feel sorry for animals who get this disease. At least we know what's causing our misery. Animals don't :-/

sjkly
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   Posted 6/11/2010 7:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Tucker, my yellow lab, is also on EVO 95% pure Venison. It is the only thing we have found that he is not allergic to. He does really well on that.

pam222
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   Posted 6/11/2010 7:44 PM (GMT -6)   
Science Diet will be better than a grocery store brand. I didn't mean the food should be only meat (though raw food diet is actually very healthy)--but meat should be the number one ingredient in it (first listed)--not a grain or corn or filler.

Here's a site with listing of dog foods by ratings based on ingredients
http://www.dogfoodanalysis.com/dog_food_reviews/index.php/cat/1

6 stars are the best food and then they have the categories for the other stars, too.

A lot of the foods you see commercially advertised sponsor vets and other things. They can afford to advertise because they really don't charge less than premium foods. Also, while a food may seem pricey, higher quality, higher protein foods do not to be given in as large amounts as other foods, so the daily cost is not actually higher to feed a premium food

Many dogs have bad reactions to all the corn and fillers. Usually a premium food will lead to better, shinier coats, better teeth, and not cause skin irritation and itchiness
27/F Diagnosed with unspecified UC 11/08 (symptoms for over a year before)
Asacol, Prednisone, Remicade with no success--no remission for over 2 years
8/09 colonoscopy shows that the whole colon is affected
12/18/09 Removal of colon, creation of J-Pouch and ostomy; recessed stoma; 12/30/09 Takedown too soon; RV fistula;1/9/10 Second Ileostomy Surgery;
1/25/10 Stoma Revision Surgery; 3/30/10 Takedown again
6/9/10 Scope and Biopsy--Diagnosed with Crohns Disease
Lomotil 2 Tsp. (4/day), Flaygl 500 mg (2/day), TPN 14 hrs/day, IV fluids 4 hrs/day, Prednisone 5 mg (1/day), Florinef .05mg (1/day), Culturelle (1/day), Entocort 3 mg (3/day)


pb4
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   Posted 6/11/2010 8:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Both dogs and cats can get IBD, they can get IBS as well...my mom's cat had IBS, apparently it can be quite an easy fix for cats with IBS, they give them a shot (of something, of which I don't know) and within 24-48 hrs they completely recover from the IBS (Irritable Bowel Syndrom) and never have issues with it again...too bad it's not that easy for us.
bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
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pam222
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   Posted 6/11/2010 8:11 PM (GMT -6)   
My kitten had some problems with diarrhea and got a shot and was all better--not sure if it's the same thing you're talking about, though.

I had a husky/malamute who had colitis symptoms. I had to be very careful with what she ate
27/F Diagnosed with unspecified UC 11/08 (symptoms for over a year before)
Asacol, Prednisone, Remicade with no success--no remission for over 2 years
8/09 colonoscopy shows that the whole colon is affected
12/18/09 Removal of colon, creation of J-Pouch and ostomy; recessed stoma; 12/30/09 Takedown too soon; RV fistula;1/9/10 Second Ileostomy Surgery;
1/25/10 Stoma Revision Surgery; 3/30/10 Takedown again
6/9/10 Scope and Biopsy--Diagnosed with Crohns Disease
Lomotil 2 Tsp. (4/day), Flaygl 500 mg (2/day), TPN 14 hrs/day, IV fluids 4 hrs/day, Prednisone 5 mg (1/day), Florinef .05mg (1/day), Culturelle (1/day), Entocort 3 mg (3/day)


mtgman
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   Posted 6/11/2010 10:52 PM (GMT -6)   
a little off topic...just got 2 new border collie pups!! so cute!!!
35 year old male living in AZ.  Diagnosed with Crohns at age of 15.
Currently off Pred.  still taking Asacol.  Just had 1st Remicade infusion a week and a half ago
In the middle of a bad flare now for a year...lost almost 30 lbs. -- gained most of it back now.


spookyh
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   Posted 6/11/2010 11:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Congrats mtgman! What are their names?

Pam, thanks for the link to 6 star dog food. Mine currently eats the Evo Herring, but it's nice to know what other good foods are out there.
35 years old, Crohn's disease for 15 of them
Resection of ileocecal valve on 09/22/09
Current Meds: LDN, Pentasa, Effexor XR
Supplements: 3 kinds of Fish Oil, Multi-Vitamin, Vitamin D, Calcium, CoQ10, Enzymes
SCD since 12/01/08 - eating Stage 3 foods


mtgman
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   Posted 6/11/2010 11:23 PM (GMT -6)   
we've got Molly a little girl and Wrangler a boy...joining Libby our 9 yr old BC...had Rex who was about 15 when we had to put him down last year...great breed but pretty neurotic!
35 year old male living in AZ.  Diagnosed with Crohns at age of 15.
Currently off Pred.  still taking Asacol.  Just had 1st Remicade infusion a week and a half ago
In the middle of a bad flare now for a year...lost almost 30 lbs. -- gained most of it back now.


Jen77
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   Posted 6/12/2010 12:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Yep, pretty sad huh? But yes most of the dog foods out there is junk. Especially some of these expensive so called "high quality" dogs foods. We started with Science Diet thinking it was going to be the best. Gave our puppy the big D! We switched to a brand we get at Costco, and does not have CORN as their first and main ingrediant. I was amazed at how many of the brands had all that corn and fillers, and they were considered the premium brands.

My beagle has a real sensitive tummy. She can easily get diarrhea, depending on what she eats, anxiety ect... I always say she's for sure my dog! lol But when she gets sick she goes on a diet of chicken and rice only for a few days. Wish it was that simple for me!


~Jennifer
 
Diagnosed with Crohn's Disease 2/06, and Health Anxiety/OCD 12/08 Taking Asacol, Questran, Toprol XL, and Celexa.

Post Edited (Jen77) : 6/12/2010 12:36:49 AM (GMT-6)


SnowyLynne
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   Posted 6/12/2010 12:42 AM (GMT -6)   
None of the dogs I ever had would flat not eat science diet dog food,even my cats refused it.....I fed my dogs alpo one time it caused them to have bloody stools.......Our pets can get anything we get.....


SnowyLynne


GDen
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   Posted 6/12/2010 1:20 AM (GMT -6)   
Ingredients in a bag of Science Diet dog food:

Somebody said...
Lamb Meal, Brewers Rice, Rice Flour, Ground Whole Grain Wheat, Ground Whole Grain Sorghum, Corn Gluten Meal, Cracked Pearled Barley, Animal Fat (preserved with mixed tocopherols and citric acid), Dried Beet Pulp, Soybean Oil, Chicken Liver Flavor, Flaxseed, Potassium Chloride, Iodized Salt, vitamins (L-Ascorbyl-2-Polyphosphate (source of vitamin C), Vitamin E Supplement, Niacin, Thiamine Mononitrate, Vitamin A Supplement, Calcium Pantothenate, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Riboflavin, Folic Acid, Vitamin D3 Supplement), Choline Chloride, Vitamin E Supplement, Taurine, minerals (Ferrous Sulfate, Zinc Oxide, Copper Sulfate, Manganous Oxide, Calcium Iodate, Sodium Selenite), preserved with Mixed Tocopherols and Citric Acid, Beta-Carotene, Rosemary Extract.


Looks pretty good to me. Now, what exactly are the "fillers"?
Cimzia, Asacol


pam222
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   Posted 6/12/2010 7:04 AM (GMT -6)   
all the ingredients past lamb meal are grains until animal fat
Did you read the link? I'm not trying to pick on you at all, but you are paying a good amount of money for a food when you can get a better quality for cheaper

Someone mentioned Costco. Is it the Kirkland food? that is actually a really good food at an excellent value--definitely one of the best you can get for the money and you probably pay far less than you would for iams or something like that

To the person with the 2 new border collie pups, do you have any links to pictures?! BC pups are some of the cutest puppies in existence. I would love to see them. Congrats (and good luck :D)
27/F Diagnosed with unspecified UC 11/08 (symptoms for over a year before)
Asacol, Prednisone, Remicade with no success--no remission for over 2 years
8/09 colonoscopy shows that the whole colon is affected
12/18/09 Removal of colon, creation of J-Pouch and ostomy; recessed stoma; 12/30/09 Takedown too soon; RV fistula;1/9/10 Second Ileostomy Surgery;
1/25/10 Stoma Revision Surgery; 3/30/10 Takedown again
6/9/10 Scope and Biopsy--Diagnosed with Crohns Disease
Lomotil 2 Tsp. (4/day), Flaygl 500 mg (2/day), TPN 14 hrs/day, IV fluids 4 hrs/day, Prednisone 5 mg (1/day), Florinef .05mg (1/day), Culturelle (1/day), Entocort 3 mg (3/day)


Aimee =)
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   Posted 6/12/2010 1:27 PM (GMT -6)   
Science Diet sponsors the textbooks and nutrition classes at most vet schools. I see a holistic vet and she completely dogs SD food. Awful stuff and so pricey! Just bunches of corn.

I'm a dog food snob, admittedly, but very cheap. Good food pays off. My dogs don't poop much, have little gas, eat 1/2 what they do on a corn based food, and have no ongoing health issues. Plus their shedding is much less! Kirkland dog food is good quality and CHEAP. I consider it similar to Canidae or Chicken Soup at half the price. Costco has a new grain free food, Nature's Domain, that is only in some markets right now but expanding corporate wide. It's salmon and sweet potato. I pay $24 for 35 pounds. It's comparable to EVO.

There are lots of great affordable foods out there. Canidae is cheaper than Science Diet, esp when you feed half the amt.

pam222
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   Posted 6/12/2010 2:42 PM (GMT -6)   
Aimee =) said...
Science Diet sponsors the textbooks and nutrition classes at most vet schools. I see a holistic vet and she completely dogs SD food. Awful stuff and so pricey! Just bunches of corn.

I'm a dog food snob, admittedly, but very cheap. Good food pays off. My dogs don't poop much, have little gas, eat 1/2 what they do on a corn based food, and have no ongoing health issues. Plus their shedding is much less! Kirkland dog food is good quality and CHEAP. I consider it similar to Canidae or Chicken Soup at half the price. Costco has a new grain free food, Nature's Domain, that is only in some markets right now but expanding corporate wide. It's salmon and sweet potato. I pay $24 for 35 pounds. It's comparable to EVO.

There are lots of great affordable foods out there. Canidae is cheaper than Science Diet, esp when you feed half the amt.


Yes! It's no different than all the drug companies that take the doctors out to lunches, hand out their free stuff to them, and get to them while in med school. You see the big food companies doing this at vet schools to get the vets on board right from the beginning and selling the products right in the office.
27/F Diagnosed with unspecified UC 11/08 (symptoms for over a year before)
Asacol, Prednisone, Remicade with no success--no remission for over 2 years
8/09 colonoscopy shows that the whole colon is affected
12/18/09 Removal of colon, creation of J-Pouch and ostomy; recessed stoma; 12/30/09 Takedown too soon; RV fistula;1/9/10 Second Ileostomy Surgery;
1/25/10 Stoma Revision Surgery; 3/30/10 Takedown again
6/9/10 Scope and Biopsy--Diagnosed with Crohns Disease
Lomotil 2 Tsp. (4/day), Flaygl 500 mg (2/day), TPN 14 hrs/day, IV fluids 4 hrs/day, Prednisone 5 mg (1/day), Florinef .05mg (1/day), Culturelle (1/day), Entocort 3 mg (3/day)


GDen
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   Posted 6/12/2010 4:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Oh come on, you REALLY think the vets are bought off? That's tin-foil hat conspiracy. My doctors get wooed by drug reps all the time but they're able to maintain their professionalism and objectivity. One vet I talked to did sell SD, but two others didn't sell any food at all so what angle could they have. Anyway, I DID read the link and the ingredients of the top-rated foods there do look good. I did read that feeding good food will result in less poop -- I have two cats I feed SD and though they're in great health they do seem to poop a lot! And if the food is cheaper then all the better!
Cimzia, Asacol


grumpygi
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   Posted 6/12/2010 4:44 PM (GMT -6)   
You guys are funny! Our dog gets his choice of Iams, Iams, or hmmmm, more . . .wait for it . . . .Iams. He supplements his diet with dog treats for fetching the paper, carrying in groceries and obeying verbal and non-verbal commands.
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