Broccoli, Plantains May Stop Crohn's Disease Relapse

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GDen
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   Posted 8/25/2010 9:12 PM (GMT -7)   
Interesting...

Broccoli, Plantains May Stop Crohn's Disease Relapse
Broccoli and Plantain Fibers Prevented E. Coli Movement by 45% to 82% in Study
www.webmd.com/ibd-crohns-disease/crohns-disease/news/20100825/broccoli-plantains-help-block-crohns-disease

Post Edited (GDen) : 8/25/2010 10:23:23 PM (GMT-6)


LSF
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   Posted 8/26/2010 5:34 AM (GMT -7)   

SO SORRY GDen - I should have done a broccoli search before posting my thread! Hopefully they will be merged or my other one deleted. How rude of me. Anyway... 

Who knew broccoli was so good for crohns?
 
 
I have broccoli at least once a week - sometimes 3 times. Perhaps this has something to do with my health being reasonably good since my surgery 5 years ago?
 
Also, did anyone else know there is a link with E-coli???

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   Posted 8/26/2010 6:21 AM (GMT -7)   

Nanners
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   Posted 8/26/2010 7:21 AM (GMT -7)   
I cannot even think about touching broccoli or I end up in a world of hurt. It causes gas and cramps really bad in me. So flaring, that would NOT be something I would even think of eating. JMHO
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   Posted 8/26/2010 9:29 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm with Nanners, broccoli causes me a lot of pain and wind. I grew up eating a lot of broccoli, and was eating it right up until after my diagnosis last year when I started a food diary and worked out broccoli is a no no.

But if it helps others then that is great!
39yr old Single Mum of 3 Girls living in Sydney, Australia. Diagnosed with Crohn's April 2009 after suffering for over 20 years.


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Zanne
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   Posted 8/26/2010 9:43 AM (GMT -7)   
I had read the WebMD article last night. I can't eat broccoli now, but when I was first diagnosed it was one of the few veggies that my husband and kids liked, so I would eat it too. This was before I had resections. Obviously it didn't stop the progression of my disease since back then we ate broc, and green beans pretty much every other night so I ate it a LOT and still had 3 resections. Come to think of it, I ate it most of the 3 years before I was diagnosed too. Basically after I married my husband cause he doesn't like most veggies other than broccoli.

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   Posted 8/26/2010 9:51 AM (GMT -7)   
I don't know - they have the study to prove their findings, but I would NEVER, EVER, EVER eat broccoli on purpose. I love the flavor, but it tears my guts apart. I'm having a hard time giving any credibility to this study.

GDen
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   Posted 8/26/2010 10:26 AM (GMT -7)   
Yeah, broccoli is a cruciferous veggie, which are known to cause gas.

I don't know if I've had plantains. Can they be eaten raw? Do they taste like bananas?
Cimzia, Asacol

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   Posted 8/26/2010 5:34 PM (GMT -7)   
Great find, thx! My daughter eats tons of broccoli. Interesting that they found out the food additive makes things worse.  
 
This isn't the first time I've heard about plantain helping, but it is not SCD legal because it has so much starch. 
 
Green plantains can be fried. Ripe plantains (they turn black and yellow when ripe) are sweeter and can be baked. I've never eaten them raw, but have eaten them in recipes like below: 
 
Puerto Rican style fried plantains:
 
Baked sweet plantains:
 
 
Daughter (22) Dx'd Crohn's 3/06. Misdiagnosed for two years, including by top pediatric Crohn's specialist as stress. No symptoms for the past three years. March '09 colonoscopy showed stricture gone but two spots of inflammation in TI. Used LDN to taper off Entocort last fall. (Was on Entocort since April 06.) Never had D. 4.5 mg LDN, SCD multivit, homemade yogurt, 2000IU vit D3, 1000 mg calcium, 27-54 mg iron, monthly B12 shots, daily oral B12 twice a day (one B complex, then later one B 500), 10mg zinc. SCD diet. 

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   Posted 8/26/2010 6:59 PM (GMT -7)   
Lol >_>

I've been eating broccoli 2-3x a week for probably nearly as long as I've had Crohn's - in fact I had broccoli tonight. Intestines: are you reading this?

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   Posted 8/28/2010 4:46 PM (GMT -7)   
I never thought I'd be shouted down so harshly on this forum. It's a shame.

I only wanted to share my point of view.

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   Posted 8/29/2010 5:48 AM (GMT -7)   
I found out that I had my most solid bowel movements while I was eating like 3 bowls of broccoli and cheese a day when I was on the SCD diet. I ate so much of it because it was the only thing that could fill me up when I was on SCD, and it really did solidify things when I went to the bathroom. Eventually I got sick and tired of all the broccoli and stopped eating it for awhile. I started eating a couple of bowls a day again 6+ months later (not on SCD anymore) and it gave me more gas and made me go to the bathroom more, but didn't really solidify anything, it did a little bit, but not as much as when I was on scd. I got tired of doing this again and stopped lol.

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   Posted 8/29/2010 7:04 AM (GMT -7)   
LSF I do not believe any one was shouting you down at all. Having Crohns you should know that diet is very individual for each of us. I could eat some broccoli before my resections but after, look out! If I ate it now I would literally wind up in the ER from the pain. I think everyone has just stated that they can or cannot eat it. I suspect those that can eat it have not had resections, as I found out after my first resection that I could no longer eat it as it caused alot of pain in me. JMHO
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   Posted 8/29/2010 8:23 AM (GMT -7)   
this is wierd thread, i really appreciate all good natured advice, I eat alot of brocoli, evan wierder, I eat the stem after I peel the skin off. But don't put spinach in front of me cooked or raw, like a knife going thru until it comes out in the can. and it c omes out just like it went in. undigested, go figure.

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   Posted 8/29/2010 6:17 PM (GMT -7)   
I bought some plantains but they're still mostly green. I should wait until they're mostly yellow before cooking them?

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   Posted 8/29/2010 10:14 PM (GMT -7)   
For those who have gastric problems with broccoli, what if you didn't eat the stems, and pulsed the florets in a magic bullet or something, then made cream of broccoli soup, or cheesy broccoli soup. Would pulverized broccoli still give you cramps?

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   Posted 8/30/2010 7:43 AM (GMT -7)   
Tara28 for me at least it wouldn't matter. Broccoli just does not like me at all...
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   Posted 8/30/2010 5:57 PM (GMT -7)   
Very interesting research. I tried SCD for one year but never got much off the intro diet, my symptoms were better but not perfect. I then went to eating only the following: any meat, cauliflower, broccoli, coconut oil, avocado, lemon juice and olive oil. I have eaten only those items for the last year and have not had any crohn's symptoms the entire time. I eat broccoli for all three meals of the day and consume about 5 pounds a day (that's a lot - a shopping bag totally full). I was diagnosed with sever crohn's 2 years ago (having had it undiagnosed for 3 years before that), have never taken prednisone, anti-inflammatories, biologics or immunosuppressents, but I am in full symptomatic remission. Everything 100% functions totally normally. I am 100% convinced I have been able to control my disease symptoms with diet. My belief has been that the key to my success has been the avoidance of almost all carbohydrates (broccoli has some, but they are simple carbs which, according to SCD should be ok), but part of it may be due to something related to broccoli. I really encourage all Crohn's suffered to explore using diet as a treatment. It took me a full year to get under control and I've had to make extreme dietary sacrifices, but it totally worth it to feel 100% better. Please feel free to contact me if you want more info about crohn's diets (I've done a ton of research and have lots of good resources) or encouragement.
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Post Edited (ryan_jordan) : 8/30/2010 7:01:14 PM (GMT-6)


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   Posted 8/30/2010 8:38 PM (GMT -7)   
Yellow to black plantains can be fried too.  They are very sweet when very ripe.  I don't believe I have ever heard of someone eating them raw.
 
I can eat both broccoli and plantains. 

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   Posted 8/31/2010 12:24 PM (GMT -7)   
The article says it is the soluble fibers in broccoli that help. Soluble fiber stays with the juice I think.

It is the insoluble fiber that most people have trouble with and that is eliminated when you juice.

I juice a lot of broccoli stems and all. I use apple to sweeten it and also throw some celery which is high in b vitamins and kale for the high calcium content.

Works great for me and doesn't cause any digestive problems.

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   Posted 9/17/2010 6:10 AM (GMT -7)   
Nanners said...
LSF I do not believe any one was shouting you down at all. Having Crohns you should know that diet is very individual for each of us. I could eat some broccoli before my resections but after, look out! If I ate it now I would literally wind up in the ER from the pain. I think everyone has just stated that they can or cannot eat it. I suspect those that can eat it have not had resections, as I found out after my first resection that I could no longer eat it as it caused alot of pain in me. JMHO

Well I stayed away from the forum a while and have calmed down. I think I took something that a poster said the wrong way as it sounded sarcastic and mean. But I may have read it wrong. That's the problem with no tone of voice or facial expressions - written communication is open to misinterpretation!

I HAVE had a major resection and yes I eat brocolli a lot and am quite healthy so that's why I was trying to share my story but because others either have different views or think that I must be mistaken I got defensive.

Anyway, I do not think that it is JUST down to brocolli. We cook everything from scratch at home so I know what I am eating. No junk food and we rarely eat out. Lots of fresh veg, fruit and meat etc.

I do appreciate this forum so I'm glad to be back :)

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   Posted 9/17/2010 6:20 AM (GMT -7)   
So why does this have to be things that I just can not eat. If it helps why does it gas me up like the Exxon Valdez ??? I saw something about a new drug for antibiotic resistant bacteria . Its made from something in a roach's brain. Yep ,, so who thought of that one. Ok, if it works, give it to me ,,,just dont tell me where it came from .....Yeeeatch ...
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   Posted 9/17/2010 6:53 AM (GMT -7)   
LSF,

Glad you're back.

I usually eat broccoli at least once a week in small portions, but during this flare with partial intestinal obstructions, I've tried pureeing more broccoli and at first it was okay but then I ended up with more pain. It seemed like my obstruction was a little worse too, but hard to say for sure. I'm not sure why broccoli would effect me like that. I'll try more pureed broccoli in another week or so.

I've been eating the same things (more natural, God-made foods) for about a month now, trying to help with my flare. A couple of weeks ago, I also tried plantains cooked with a little olive oil in a pan and I got mouth ulcers! But this week, I tried them again and didn't get mouth ulcers. Geesh! What's up with that?

It's not only these foods. I also get inconsistent results with other foods too. It causes me confusion sometimes.

I am fairly strict with my diet, especially during a bad flare, and I'm BIG on eating a healthy natural diet with fresh fruits and veggies, limited sugar (I mostly use organic honey), and easy to digest grains like sourdough or fermented grains. I also drink a lot of decaf. green tea and chamomile.

I'm convinced I'd be even worse off if I didn't eat the way I do (along with my natural & medical treatments) but I think a lot of my problem is a stricture right now. I'm waiting for an appointment to see a surgeon still.
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