Modern Toilets to Blame for Crohns?

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GDen
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   Posted 8/26/2010 10:12 PM (GMT -7)   
Hmmmmmmmm...

Somebody said...
Modern-day squat evangelists make money off the claim that a "more natural" posture wards off all sorts of health problems, from Crohn's disease to colon cancer.


www.slate.com/id/2264657/pagenum/all/#p2
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   Posted 8/26/2010 10:40 PM (GMT -7)   
I have heard some crazy reasons as to what causes this disease, but this one takes the cake. Wow

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   Posted 8/27/2010 5:07 AM (GMT -7)   
So how do those of us with arthritis in the knees adopt the "more natural" posture????? These articles are quite comical and beyond RIDICULOUS! How in the world do you find them? They make for a good laugh though!!!

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   Posted 8/27/2010 6:06 AM (GMT -7)   
Well... if we adopt all "natural" approaches, we would be dead before 30. With cronhs, possibly earlier.... 

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   Posted 8/27/2010 7:29 AM (GMT -7)   
I agree its good for a laugh at least:)
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   Posted 8/27/2010 8:47 AM (GMT -7)   
Mmmmmm!!!!!!!!
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   Posted 8/27/2010 9:28 AM (GMT -7)   
Actually, while the IBD claim is rediculous, there are a lot of good arguments for squat toilets in that article. Slate is one of the best sites on the internet...
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GDen
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   Posted 8/27/2010 9:50 AM (GMT -7)   
This article is par for the course for a site like Slate, which is almost a tabloid.
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   Posted 8/27/2010 10:31 AM (GMT -7)   
What's wrong with the article?  It rasises some valid points as many of us do suffer from constipation.  If it's so useless and from a 'tabloid' I have to question why you think it's worthy of this website.

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   Posted 8/27/2010 11:08 AM (GMT -7)   
Guys, let it go.
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   Posted 8/27/2010 12:43 PM (GMT -7)   
The article itself was fine. Mentioning quacks' claims in passing (and I do mean in passing) is not the same thing as enthusiastically endorsing their claims. In the meantime, squatting really does help with constipation and haemorrhoids, and that's what the article mainly discussed. I can confirm it helps with constipation from my own personal experience. All you need to simulate the experience of squatting is an upturned bucket or stool to rest your feet upon and hey presto; it's as though you were back to being a caveman in the bush.

I'm kidding, but I'm not kidding about squatting making it easier to ease/coax the reluctant stool out. However, I am not a "squat evangelist" and certainly don't think that not squatting is a bad thing (I don't do it myself except for when my bowels severely seize up). I hope this comment is allowed to stand, as this is all that I wanted to say and certainly don't want to start anything with anybody...

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   Posted 8/27/2010 2:35 PM (GMT -7)   
I don't know about squatting. When I've been flaring, I've found part-sitting/part-standing to be more effective at working stuff down.
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   Posted 8/27/2010 3:07 PM (GMT -7)   
Hahaha, that's hilarious.
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   Posted 8/27/2010 4:58 PM (GMT -7)   
the weird thing is that stand actually seems to help me when pooping, I need to get one of those astronaut toliets.
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   Posted 8/28/2010 8:27 AM (GMT -7)   
I actually suffer with more constipation. I always have a small trashcan in the bathroom (mainly for those nauseous days), but I also know that I can put my feet up on the trashcan and it helps to get "things" out. But I couldn't squat for nothing! I wouldn't be able to get back up:)
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   Posted 8/29/2010 5:52 AM (GMT -7)   
I've actually really looked into this because it does make tons of sense, no matter how badly a lot of you like to brush it off as silly.

If you ever actually try to squat you WILL realize that things come out easier. It's simply the natural way to go to the bathroom.

Now whether this can be linked to IBD is more uncertain. France and Japan have squatting toilets and there rates of IBD are almost exactly the same as the United States and the UK.

GDen
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   Posted 8/29/2010 11:25 AM (GMT -7)   
I don't buy it. I'd like to see x-rays of the tail end of the rectum. Seems like squatting would put a hairpin curve in it.
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MikeB
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   Posted 8/29/2010 1:26 PM (GMT -7)   
Squatting isthe traditional third world way of childbirth too.
Of course average life expectancy in the third world is about halfwhat it is in the developed civilizations, the latter of which is largely the result of modern sanitation which features -- flush toilets and sewer systems. So once again lifeis always full of tradeoffs . . . you can die unconstipated of typhoid, typhus, cholera, smallpox, etc.

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   Posted 8/29/2010 1:45 PM (GMT -7)   
I don't know if I could ever do this, I've tried (when younger on camping trips, when you just have a hole in the ground...long time ago in girl scouts)...but though it may work for letting out stool, I could never seem to squat right without getting myself wet (maybe the shape of my anatomy?)

Oh, and just a note to MikeB (not to start an argument or anything, I don't mean it that way)...but smallpox was eradicated worldwide in the 1970's...there IS some of the virus "stockpiled" in 2 research centers, one in the US and the other at the former USSR, but in Moscow...and because it is gone, and no herd immunity, that it can be used as a bioweapon...(I worked in my state's Health Department Bioterrorism unit for quite awhile)
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   Posted 8/29/2010 4:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Wow, I couldn't imagine years ago when I was first DX'd with this DD that I would even have a conversation like the above one!
Certainly good for a chuckle!

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   Posted 8/29/2010 6:56 PM (GMT -7)   
MikeB said...
So once again lifeis always full of tradeoffs . . . you can die unconstipated of typhoid, typhus, cholera, smallpox, etc.


But there's no reason why you can't die unconstipated anywhere you live. I don't think that squatting to poor or deliver a baby increases your chances of disease...

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   Posted 8/29/2010 9:27 PM (GMT -7)   
When I was in my worst flare I had a foot stool in front of the toilet. Although I didn't have a problem with constipation, I did find that it took the pressure off my nether regions to put my feet up and it did help in easing the pain as well.
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GDen
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   Posted 8/29/2010 10:10 PM (GMT -7)   
LOL, that's probably a good idea! A few times I've been on the throne for so long that my lower legs fell asleep.
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   Posted 8/30/2010 8:36 AM (GMT -7)   
I saw an article similar to this a few months back (April or May probably) so I decided to give it a try for giggles. I loved it and have done it ever since. I'm never on the toilet more than ten seconds, tops. At first I thought it would make the bleeding worse, just due to the mechanics of the positioning, but I never noticed a difference in that regard for better or for worse.
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   Posted 8/30/2010 10:44 AM (GMT -7)   
I guess I'm in trouble then because we just replaced an older toilet with a "handicapped" one that is 2 inches taller than the standard.  Really helps when the arthritis is acting up...guess I will have to pick between achy knees and hemmoroids!  And by the way, the "virtually plugfree" toilets that are our now ARE pluggable...first time I used it I stopped it up!  =)
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