Swallowing toothpaste leads to Crohns!

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GDen
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   Posted 9/10/2010 9:16 PM (GMT -7)   
Somebody said...
Fluoride can lead to Crohn’s disease when swallowed and it can corrode tooth enamel. It doesn’t reduce cavities and scientists have linked it to 10,000 deaths every year from cancer, allergic reactions, arthritis, and dental deformities.

worldental.org/oral-hygiene/healthy-toothpaste-dental-health/1677/

Great, just after I removed all my modern toilets...
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Becky77
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   Posted 9/10/2010 11:31 PM (GMT -7)   
Guess we should all stop brushing our teeth also...just when we thought we were safe....I replaced all my toilets, too ;) Hehehe!
Becky

32 yr old female-dx with Crohn's in '97 after emergency resection and appendectomy, 2nd resection '05, Bilateral pulmonary emboli 10/09
Currently on Humira, Omeprazole, Effexor, Seroquel, Calcium, Vit D
Coumadin stopped 3/15/10!!!!

jrg478
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   Posted 9/10/2010 11:53 PM (GMT -7)   
Probely should start using childrens toothpaste its milder

tsitodawg
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   Posted 9/11/2010 12:49 AM (GMT -7)   
I noticed at the bottom of the article you can reply to the author of the article. Has anyone asked him where he was able to come up with this conclusion? I would like to see the research and his proof. It is somewhat humorous and somewhat disconcerning that there have been so many commericals and articles with Crohn's disease being the result of using products and medications. I think that since there is no proven cause, people like to throw it out there with the hope that few will call them out on it. It is really starting to bug me that my family and friends keep coming up and asking me when I am going to join this lawsuit or talk to my doctor about this cause or medicaiton. I know that they mean well but it is the people that are throwing the false or unproven information that are really the problem.

NiceCupOfTea
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   Posted 9/11/2010 5:57 AM (GMT -7)   
Absolute rubbish that modern toothpastes are bad for your teeth; developing a thorough toothbrushing habit is what has saved my teeth.

But the bit about swallowing fluoride leading to Crohn's is depressing. I hope it isn't true. I did swallow a lot of toothpaste when young, and I would go out of my mind if such a ridiculously easy-to-avoid habit was the trigger for developing Crohn's later on in life.

I'm gonna google this and see what I can find.

MMMNAVY
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   Posted 9/11/2010 6:22 AM (GMT -7)   
seriously doubt it really leads to crohns
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   Posted 9/11/2010 7:57 AM (GMT -7)   
I am with Navy I seriously doubt toothpaste as being the cause for Crohns. GDEN where do you find these crazy studies??
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vixen
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   Posted 9/11/2010 9:17 AM (GMT -7)   
I don't know where he found it but last year when I was researching I came across it too(amongst all the other possible causes)

skofbengsk
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   Posted 9/11/2010 10:00 AM (GMT -7)   
Well for that theory I would disagree, my brother and I have crohn's, two of my sisters have UC, my one sister that is unafflicted is the only one who had braces and the orthodontist had her use gel cam for years which is a highly concentrated fluoride treatment. Therefore if I wanted to make my own assumption I would conclude that Fluoride prevents crohn's disease.
I doubt that it has any thing to do with it.

GDen
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   Posted 9/11/2010 11:26 AM (GMT -7)   
I have a Google News alert for Crohn's I receive daily and this turned up. I don't believe it and thought you'd get a kick out of it. :) (Since laughter may or may not be the best medicine OR cause Crohns! :P ) When I first got CD I ran a lot of this stuff by my doctor, but now I take anything with a huge grain of salt (wait, does that cause Crohns too?? ;) ) that doesn't reference professional journals and/or credible sites like webmd, mayoclinic, etc., which this site definitely does not. That article is full of incredible claims about how harmful toothpaste supposedly is, but contains no references whatsoever. The entire site smells like to me like just filler content for displaying ads.

Anyway, I think taking showers will probably next be linked to Crohn's, so I'll just have to completely remove all my bathrooms. ;)
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mastersmom
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   Posted 9/11/2010 7:45 PM (GMT -7)   
Better remove your shower because I have read somewhere that the chlorine is suspected of causing Crohn's and it was suggested that a filter was necessary for even bathing because the chlorine seeps into the skin. I will admit now that at the time my husband put a filter on the shower my daughter used but the water pressure was so poor, she could not wash the soap out of her hair and we eventually took it off. My daughter had braces right before her first episode with Crohn's and I also read that the metal was suspected of causing Crohn's. I heard about toothpaste too. I use to drive myself nuts reading everything out there until I finally couldn't take it any more!

Becky77
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   Posted 9/11/2010 7:53 PM (GMT -7)   
GDen....tell me how life is without a bathroom. I imagine with CD it'll be rough without it.
Becky

32 yr old female-dx with Crohn's in '97 after emergency resection and appendectomy, 2nd resection '05, Bilateral pulmonary emboli 10/09
Currently on Humira, Omeprazole, Effexor, Seroquel, Calcium, Vit D
Coumadin stopped 3/15/10!!!!

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   Posted 9/11/2010 8:22 PM (GMT -7)   
I was told that and I did switch to natural toothpaste but that stuff was awful.. I need my teeth! Bad enough to have a belly thats out of wack, dont need a messed up grill too.. So not attractive. And at this point in my Crohns I dont think a toothpaste is gonna make or break me.. So many interesting ideas as to where Crohns originates but I dont fully buy into any of them. I feel like it is what it is and we need to make the best of what we have been dealt.
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Bane
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   Posted 9/11/2010 9:01 PM (GMT -7)   
Municipal water often has fluoride added to it, along with small amounts of chlorine.

If either of these were the cause, Crohn's would be far more common.
Diagnosed with Crohn's late December 2004. Narrowly avoiding a full-blown flare using nothing but sheer awesomeness.

mastersmom
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   Posted 9/11/2010 10:35 PM (GMT -7)   
The point that is usually made is that these things can be triggers in some of those that are susceptible to Crohn's. My daughter still avoids swimming pools because of the chlorine. It's horrible to wonder and worry about so many things.

GDen
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   Posted 9/12/2010 1:16 AM (GMT -7)   
Oh no... I just washed some whites and put a bit of chlorine bleach in. Yeah, there are theories that Crohns results from too clean of an environment, so going back to living in caves is probably the best thing. ;)
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FunGuy
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   Posted 9/12/2010 9:52 AM (GMT -7)   
The article doesn't seem to offer any alternatives. If you are going to discredit something like flouride toothpaste I think the author should offer alternatives. I only skimmed the article though so maybe I missed it.

tooth
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   Posted 9/12/2010 10:17 AM (GMT -7)   
Wow...that's definately a new one for me. The anti-fluoride people always say that fluoride is linked to everything from autism to brain tumors to cancer. Never heard them pull the Crohn's card before.

Fluoride especially in toothpaste (and water) is needed to keep teeth from decaying. Natural toothpaste doesn't have any and usually end up with people getting decay. Definately need the fluoride with the soft diet that most of us are on for Crohn's and dry mouth some of the meds cause. All that predisposes for caries. sad Sadly, there is no alternative to fluoride...

Makes me wonder who comes up with some of these ideas...they are pretty funny though. If someone knew the cause of Crohn's, they'd make a huge difference though...maybe someday someone wil be on to something like this?

GDen
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   Posted 9/12/2010 11:12 AM (GMT -7)   
No alternatives to flouride?? Stop brushing your teeth! I did, right after reading this article. ;) I also now get all my drinking water out of my rain gutter because tap water also has flouride. But it hasn't rained lately so I'm getting a bit thirsty...

I've never tried that natural toothpaste at the health food store. Maybe I will, just for kicks. I do buy a lot of food there, mainly because a lot of it isn't loaded with salt, sugar, etc.
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Squattie
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   Posted 9/12/2010 12:59 PM (GMT -7)   
When I was a kiddie I used to frequently squeeze out a rope of toothpaste on my finger and eat it like it was frosting. How gross is that?!
.....Squattie

pb4
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   Posted 9/12/2010 7:44 PM (GMT -7)   
I read about toothpaste being a possible trigger for crohn's back in the early 90's when I got DX with it...I too used to swallow toothpaste from time to time (cuz I had bad breath issues so I thought it would help with that, of course it didn't and very well could have been one of my triggers for getting CD)...don't forget that what is one CDers trigger may not be anothers and that for some it's a combination of triggers (smoking is a KNOWN trigger for CD) that can bring out the disease and even with smoking (including second-hand smoke) being a known trigger for CD doesn't mean that it is for every CDer either. S

So yes, the toothpaste suspicion has been around for around 20 yrs....BTW, birth control pills are another suspect for triggering CD in women...hormones are also known to be linked to IBD.

Where I live (Alberta, Canada) we have floride in our water system (since the early-mid 90's).
bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
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Roni
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   Posted 9/12/2010 8:02 PM (GMT -7)   
I hope they find out the real cause soon. I'm getting tired of all these theories. I want some facts soon.

GDen
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   Posted 9/12/2010 10:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey pb4,

Where'd you read/hear that smoking is a "known" trigger for CD? I don't think they know that anything is a known trigger (i.e. do this, get CD). Smoking makes CD worse but makes UC better. But I also think I remember reading or hearing that smokers are less likely to get CD but more likely to get UC.
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ZenaWP
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   Posted 9/13/2010 6:11 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm not saying I believe this, but I did swallow all of my toothpaste as a kid and I have allergies, arthritis and Crohn's!  And I have darker spots on my teeth that the dentist said was a result of swallowing the toothpaste. 

pb4
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   Posted 9/13/2010 10:22 AM (GMT -7)   
GDen, I read about the smoking (including second-hand smoke) being a known trigger for crohn's via my CCFC journals (crohn's and colitis foundation of Canada), it's also on the net. UCers that tend to quit smoking brings out the UC (since with smoking for a UCer can keep their UC at bay because of the carbon monoxide via smoking is known to keep inflammation in the colon at bay) and once a UCer quits smoking then it triggers the UC to become active..KEEPING IN MIND, that this is not necessarily the case for every UCer just as it's not necessarily the case of smoking and second-hand smoke being the trigger for every CDer either.

For myself, I think that when I was a teenager, I started smoking first then I went on the birth control pill then I developed my perianal crohn's skin tags (which just came and went on their own and every doc I saw at that time said it was just hemherroides), it wasn't until about a yr and a half after I had my first baby (in my early 20's) that my crohn's became completely full blown active... As I mentioned in my reply above, I did swallow toothpaste, I smoked (still do cuz when I quit I got even sicker maybe cuz my crohn's is affecting mainly my colon and anus with perianal crohn's skin tags) and I took birth control pills and the hormonal changes from having a baby were more than likely my combination of triggers for the disease becomming active....when I mentioned in this reply about the perianal crohn's skin tags first appearing in my teens after I went on the BC pill and was already a smoker at the time, I had absolutely no other symptoms of CD other than those tags on my anus, my bowels functioned completely normally until the time after I had my first baby in my early 20's. Also, when I was about 19 yrs old, just out of the blue, my bottom lip swelled up like crazy, looked like I got punched, it bothered me cuz how messed up it made me look, I went to the hospital cuz it freaked me out and the ER doc said he'd never seen anything like it before and for it to get so big within a day and no other symptoms/issues going on anywhere else (except my anal skin tags were also "flaring" at the same time)...he told me just to put ice on it, so I did and it finally went away, that only ever happend to me once in my life (so far) and I'm sure it's related to me getting/having crohn's since crohn's can affect any part of the GI tract from mouth (starting at the lips) to anus.

So you see, it can take time and be subtle for IBD to develop, even though for the most part it seems like it hits ppl hard and out of the blue, when I think back to my own personal history, there are the obvious signs that I was doomed.
bee propolis caps 500mg one cap twice/day
omegas 369 caps one cap twice/day
probiotics 10 billion cfu once/day
vitamins C-calcium ascorbate (easy on the gut) and vitamin A each once/day
Prodiem fibre supplement one cap before bed
I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
I went from 30+ bloody BM's/day with lots of lower back pain to an average of 5/day no bleeding no back pain and completely formed stools, still have severe urgency issues.
~~~~~~~~My bum is broken....there's a big crack down the middle of it! LOL :)~~~~~~~~
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