yogurt and crohns?

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blueberrydecaf
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   Posted 5/27/2011 9:59 PM (GMT -7)   
Well, I'm on remicade (have been for a few months). It has mostly helped a lot - but I notice it wearing off about two weeks before the next dose so I am going to see if I can have shorter times in between! The "mostly" part is the fact that I keep thinking I am feeling great and then I expand my diet and then I suffer and get disappointed. I haven't found the right balance yet between eating non-fiber/somewhat unhealthy and eating too much healthy! Frustrating.
So, in the midst of my dietary experiments I have been eating danacol (a yogurt good for cholestorol) and I am not sure if it might be aggravating me - can't quite sort it out with the other foods. Does anyone have any opinions on yogurt and how it has been for them?

TakillRa
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   Posted 5/28/2011 1:27 AM (GMT -7)   
I just added yougurt to my diet, and i only eat one single serving a day, and i seem to be ok with it. It's a wonderful addition. ( I've been on remi for  a few months now, going for my 5th does next week)

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   Posted 5/28/2011 8:35 AM (GMT -7)   
I don't like yoghurt myself as it tastes like rotten milk to me. I do know that some have tried the specialty type yoghurts and it caused problems for them. The ones who do the best are the ones who eat the homemade yoghurt, Hugs!
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Roni
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   Posted 5/28/2011 12:57 PM (GMT -7)   
lol nanners. Instead of the rotten milk taste, maybe you'd prefer goat taste? Goat yogurt tastes just the way a goat smells—seriously!—but it has an addictive tangy bite. The first time I tried it, I totally gagged, but I forced myself to eat it, since it was recommended by the Maker's Diet. Haven't had it since long before my surgery. I might try it again soon.

Zanne
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   Posted 5/28/2011 1:04 PM (GMT -7)   
I can eat one serving on yogurt a day or so, but like Nanners I am not so crazy about it. I tend to only eat it when I am on antibiotics. To get over the taste, I doctor mine with either a swirl of chocolate syrup, maple syrup or honey. I can't eat any of the fruit on the bottom ones at all, since the seeds and partial bits bother me, so usually its vanilla only. Once in a while I will eat the Yoplait Whips, but that just seems like a frozen yogurt. And actually if you freeze it, it is frozen yogurt, especially the chocolate one!

kazbern
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   Posted 5/28/2011 4:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Well, I don't eat any of the yogurts meant to increase bowel movements because, well....it just doesn't make sense to me as a Crohn's patient. I do really really like Greek style yogurt, Oikos is my favorite brand. It does not have a lot of added sugar, and it is chock full of protein.
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Currently taking Pentasa (3g/day), Sulfazine (1.5 g/day), Prevacid, folic acid, vit. D (2K iu), flax seed oil (2 tsp/day), mesalamine enema as needed.

pb4
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   Posted 5/29/2011 6:27 PM (GMT -7)   
Yogurt has live bacterial cultures in it so for most IBDers it's helpful but taking a good probiotic daily and indefinitely is typically more effect for us rather than just eating some yogurt daily...plus take into consideration that if you're eating anything but plain yogurt it's the added sugar that often is the culprit behind yogurt bugging us.

Good luck to all of you with yogurt issues.
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I've also altered my diet (no junky stuff at all, processed, fast-foods, refined sugars, ect) and exercise regularly.
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dfdavedf
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   Posted 5/30/2011 9:29 AM (GMT -7)   
Unfortunatly like everything else with this DD, there is no 100% clear answer.
 
As others have said most yogurt sold is garbage. Full of suger and with 0 or limited probiotic value. An exception to this is casscade. As my family will not eat my yogurt I have them eating this.
 
I make and eat SCD yogurt. I eat this daily. There is about 1 trillion active cultures in a cup and I frequently eat 2 cups per day. The strongest probiotic you can buy that I know of is VSL and it has 250 billion and it is expensive. Besides I would much rather take into my body something that is organic and I know what is in it. I know some folks hate the taste but I add cinnomin, fruit, sometimes raw organic honey and love the taste.
 
I am just reading the Paleo Solution and in this diet they say all dairy is bad. I have not got the point where they say why. If if it is the lactose then this is not an issue as SCD yogurt cooks all the lactose out. If it is something else then it is just in conflict with SCD.
 
I will continue to eat yogurt for the fantastic probiotic effect but may eliminate all other dairy depending on what the Paleo Diet says and how credible the position they put forth.
 
So now that I have given two opposing positions from two credibale sources, haven't I been helpful????
Dave
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Roni
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   Posted 5/30/2011 11:47 AM (GMT -7)   
Dave,

Just from the little I've researched, I think the theory behind the Paleo diet is based on unsubstantiated scientific theory. Our "hunter ancestors" didn't live long compared to us. jmho. :-)

1asalsa
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   Posted 5/30/2011 1:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Last time I was in the hospital, one of the GI docs told me yogurt is great for you, but to make sure it says LIVE ACTIVE CULTURES on the label if you want the most benefit. Most of them do not say that.

dfdavedf
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   Posted 5/31/2011 9:41 AM (GMT -7)   
1asalsa
You are correct about most not having probiotics. Even some of the ones that do contain probiotics have probiotics that are bad for folks with CD. I learned this when reading the Probiotics Revolution by Huffnegal. A very interesting book if you want to know about probiotics.
 
Roni
The Paleo diet and SCD are very similar and as I SCD (and have had great results) I will continue to SCD. What I am paying attention to are the foods they reference as inflamitory. They say no grains, but I am already there from SCD. They talk to the importance of low carb and after Live Without Bread, I am already there. So I do not expect much change but rather a few tweaks.
They talk to the importance of elevated D3, the balance between omega 3 and 6, and some other stuff that makes some sense to me. I expect I will adopt these.
I have not been 100% for the last couple of weeks so I am looking to make some small changes to get back where I was.
 
The justification fro the recommendations amy or may not stand up, but most of the conclusions from the Paloe Diet are consistent with what I have read and adopted from other sources, so this makes the conclustions credible for me.
 
As with all of us, I am looking for the optimal diet, to gain optimal health and I find reading about different diets to be helpful. In fact I would say that I have taken something out of every book I have read.
 
Oh, one more thing. Paleo's response is that our ancestors died from infections and battles, not from cancer, diebetes, ...
If they had our medicine and their diet they would outlive us. I am willing to accpet this, because I truly believe that what most Americans eat is complete garbage and if we improve, we live longer and healthier lives. JMHO
 
Dave 
Pentasa (1,500 per day for the last 6 months), Vit D and B complex, fish oil and SCD vit. Entocort (6 mg and hoping to get to 3 next doc visit). SCD since Nov 2010. Amitriptyline for sleeping
Feeling good, almost every day!

GassyLassy
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   Posted 5/31/2011 4:19 PM (GMT -7)   
I have been gluten free for 3 weeks now ...not seeing much improvement ...in fact having a wee flare up just now ....tomorrow I'm also starting dairy free and we'll see what that does ...I've also cut out most sugar ....and am now even enjoying my glasses of Aloe juice...when reading up on the dairy free ...it did say ...some yogurts can be introduced back into diet ..as not so potent as other dairy products....it's a shame we were not all alike and could go on a specific diet for Crohns. My only vice is ... I do love my glass of red wine ...but ...it'll probably be next to go :-(

Lorna :-)

Roni
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   Posted 5/31/2011 7:33 PM (GMT -7)   
Dave,

A diet that is anti-inflammatory, healing, and nutritious sounds good to me. But who can say for sure what that means? I've looked at SCD, Maker's Diet, and very little Paleo, GF, low fibre, low roughage. Each have usable aspects for me. I think moderation is key.

I don't believe our ancestors would have lived longer than us (by much). I think they still would have got something that killed them the same as everybody else. The only ppl (i know of) documented to have lived really long were Abraham and his generations, and they ate grains, meat, fruit, dairy, and drank wine too.

That said, I love hearing/reading about success stories regarding diets. I haven't heard of anyone who reversed their CD with diet alone, but I have heard of ppl who control their symptoms fairly well with diet.

Cheers!

viennaman
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   Posted 5/31/2011 8:27 PM (GMT -7)   
Get yourself tested for food allergies.

dfdavedf
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   Posted 6/1/2011 7:52 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Roni
I agree with you that it is tough to say what "A diet that is anti-inflammatory, healing, and nutritious" means. Heck after more than a year of really trying I can not answer this fully for myself much less anyone else.
That is the frustrating part, but I keep trying and tweaking.
I can not say 100% that the diet stuff has put me in remmission,. I still take all the meds the doc tells to to take. But if it is the meds or just the natural course of the DD, then I do not want to break the mojo cause for the first time in years I feel someplace between good and great.
When I was diagnosed the doc said I was a 6 out of 10, with 10 being the worst in terms of this DD. That scared me and I had to do something. The only thing I could think of is diet and excersise, so that is what I am doing.
I guess I encourage others here re diet because others have helped me so much and I want to give back.  Maybe I am a little like the reformed smoker and I go overboard re diet.
I think I will give talking about it a break
Cheers
Dave
 
Pentasa (1,500 per day for the last 6 months), Vit D and B complex, fish oil and SCD vit. Entocort (6 mg and hoping to get to 3 next doc visit). SCD since Nov 2010. Amitriptyline for sleeping
Feeling good, almost every day!
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