Gut pain feeling like I have to poop more

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dragonfly137927
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   Posted 9/4/2011 1:25 PM (GMT -6)   
He everyone,
 
I have been a mess lately I think it all stemmed from ordering a sandwich at a new place the other day and I asked for it plain but in the meatballs were onions a big no no,  since that day I have been suffering and saw my regular doc tghe 1st who gave me stronger pain meds until I see my GI the 14th. I keep bloating up really big even though my weight is still pretty much the same (fluctuates within half a pound or so).  I keep hurting as if I have to poo more but cant.  I am going to the bathroom that isnt an issue and I am hungry just eating lots smaller portions than even normal.  The other day I was really bad I was breaking out in sweats etc. 
 
do many of you gut wise feel you need to go to the bathroom more but cant? I feel as though if I went more I would feel better but when I sit all I ahve is gas and ht odor is extrememly foul

noories
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   Posted 9/4/2011 2:06 PM (GMT -6)   
usually when there's a foul smell its because there is some putrefaction of meat protein in the Splenic angle (just as the colon is descending) that hasnt been fully evacuated in the stools which also creates tons of gas. there could be some spasmodic activity around there thats not allowing poo to go by as fast they should giving you the sensation of needing to push with nothing happening.

i know that you're eating smaller portions but i would suggest an easy mono-diet for a day or 2 to give your colon a break and to heal itself (i learned this at school + with help on my naturopathic professors).

i usually do a mono-diet of plain yoghurt (for its probiotic and soothing effect) for a day (i eat as much of it as possible but no variety) and day 2 i add some boiled rice and potatoes + yoghurt and it really calms things down. this has been one of the most recommended type of "allergy free" menu for people with crohn's or UC to get things slowly back to normal.

good luck! hope things get better in the next few days!!!
30 years old
Diagnosed with Crohn's in 2003 and IBS in 2009
Resection in 2005
Tried Humira, Prednisone and Pentasa
med-free for 1.5 years now following Naturopathic medicine :)

Nanners
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   Posted 9/4/2011 6:05 PM (GMT -6)   
I had that during this current bout I have had. I was going like you, but felt like I could go more. I was actually having diarrhea at the time too.

Make sure you ask your doc about a possible bacterial overgrowth too. I know we who have had multiple resections are more liable to get it. Its causes lots of bloating and gas and makes your stomach hurt too. Treatment is a 10 day course of antibiotics like Cipro and a stronger probiotic. That knocked it right out of me. Good luck!
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Crohn's Disease for over 35 years. Currently on Asacol, Prilosec, Estrace, Prinivil, Percoset prn for pain, Zofran, Phenergan, Probiotics, Calcium, Vit D, Folic Acid and Xanax prn. Resections in 2002 & 2005. Also diagnosed w/ Fibromyalgia, Osteoarthritis, & Anxiety. Currently my Crohns is in remission, but my joints are going crazy!

Roni
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   Posted 9/4/2011 11:36 PM (GMT -6)   
Sounds like it could be an overgrowth of bacteria to me too. You might need to see your doc to find out for sure.

I drink a lot of chamomile and decaf. green teas and take extra probiotics & imodium, when I have episodes like what you're describing. I find it is sometimes difficult to treat no matter what I do. If it continues for more than a few days, you might want to get a round of antibiotics. The right antibiotic could work well. Also warm baths are helpful.

Hope you feel better!
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Crohn's Disease since the 1990s.
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mtgman
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   Posted 9/5/2011 12:27 AM (GMT -6)   
sounds almost like what i've been dealing with...seems like it's getting better yesterday and today but i have the same issue- intense pain that feels like i have to go more...sometimes i do...sometimes i don't
37 year old male living in AZ. Diagnosed with Crohns at age of 15.
Currently on 20 mg prednisone. still taking Asacol. Done with Remicade- antibody level was over 8! Waiting for scope results to see about Humira or Cimzia.
In the middle of a bad flare now for 2 years...it's been one heck of a ride!

Blue Velvyt
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   Posted 9/5/2011 11:09 AM (GMT -6)   
Heya,
 
Funny I was thinking bout writting a post on Crohns oddities and this one about tops my list.
 
This is the most annoying part of this disease for me. First I eat only handfuls of food at a time, low fat, fruit, bake a potatoe (eat about 1/4), I buy ensure and slimjims at my local Sams club.
 
I know sounds weird, but this diet of eating extremley small amounts of food seems to be keeping me from the hospital. This is my flare diet, yeah slimjims probably arent great for you, but I only eat one at a time, its only about 3 inches high. I just feel like I need some kind of protein meat in me, and I cant eat beef (like hambrugers or steak) cause it hates me. I think it is personal, although I must say I have not once ever insulted a cow in any way. Although I suppose a youth of eating them might piss them off enough to put the beef voodoo hex on me. What, it could happen, maybe we should make a crohns movie with crazy cows trying to keep us all ill. Come on now, they made "Snakes on a Plane"
 
Yeah getting off your topic.
 
So I will start from eating around noon and move to the next morning.
 
I start each day with a flat stomach (after quite a night in the bathrom, details below)
 
I eat little amounts, within 20 to 40 mintues the pain starts, then I cant help feeling I have to go to the bathroom, I can spend an hour sittting there (I know, not cool, not reccomended, sitting on a toilet that long)
 
And nothing happens, so I dont eat for a longer period cause the pain is too much and for some unknown reason my stonach, after only like 4 ounces of food now looks like I am pregnant. All day I stay this way, from noon til 1 am. I spend an enternity in the bathroom with nothing happening. Moving back and forth from the couch to the bathroom.
 
In the end, I never go durring the day (depending on which kind of flare I'm in, yeah there are different flares, some flares have you in the bathroom all day with D, then there is this kind of "flare" or side affect, or whatever you want to call it). Painful and frustrating
 
At 1 to 3 am I awake and have to go immediately, then 4-5 am again awake and have to go, then 7 am, then again 1-3 more times till noon. Then flat nearly sixpack abs again (no real sixpack, just wishful thinking, flat stomach)
 
Rinse/Repeat,  So yeah, you are not alone my friend....crohns oddities, we should make a list of the whackiest things that bother us for fun about crohns.
 
Thanks
Jon
 
 
 

dragonfly137927
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   Posted 9/5/2011 12:41 PM (GMT -6)   
Nanners what causes one to get the bacterial overgrowth? again last night I slept a total of maybe 4 hours darn gas pains etc keeping me up. Again only went a small amount today as always loose or D. The pain is more centralized than in its norm spot. I do have pain in the norm spot just seems more intense below my incision. I was breaking out in a rash the other week but only 2 spots and right near where some of the disolvable sutures are but never desolved from 07 (can still see and feel them)
Dx with Crohn's 1987, symptoms as early as 1984.
Temp iliostomy February 2007, reversed June 2007, Ovarian cysts, migraines, allergies (incl food allergies) , oral allergy syndrome (diff than true food allergies), Asthma, Gall Bladder removed 1999, Inguenal hernia 1987

Nanners
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   Posted 9/6/2011 9:11 AM (GMT -6)   
Crohnies who have had resections have less bowel and tend to be more prone to SIBO. Its important that you take a good probiotic all the time to keep the bacterial fields level. When I got my SIBO doc put me on abx and said to add in a stronger probiotic as evidently the one I was using wasn't strong enough. Since being on the stronger probiotic its been much better.

Also, I am pretty sure your incisions are fine after all these years. I personally think your diet is the cause of some of your issues. Hugs!
Gail*Nanners* Co-Moderator for Crohns Disease
Crohn's Disease for over 35 years. Currently on Asacol, Prilosec, Estrace, Prinivil, Percoset prn for pain, Zofran, Phenergan, Probiotics, Calcium, Vit D, Folic Acid and Xanax prn. Resections in 2002 & 2005. Also diagnosed w/ Fibromyalgia, Osteoarthritis, & Anxiety. Currently my Crohns is in remission, but my joints are going crazy!

sudsmom
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   Posted 9/6/2011 9:37 AM (GMT -6)   
Nanners -

As someone who recently had my 3rd resection, I had never heard of bacterial overgrowth before, but the symptoms sure ring a bell! Especially the bloating and putrid gas. And the pooping in the middle of the night - sometimes I just don't bother trying to go to sleep 'cause I know it is coming! Naturally my sleep deficit is horrendous. Sigh.

So.... is there a test for bacterial overgrowth or is just the symptoms that help diagnose? I do take a probiotic (Align) but I know I don't eat enough yogurt :)

TIA,
Sudsmom
53YO married female with 2 children (19YO and 22YO).
CD since 1981, numerous surgeries including fistulaectomy, resections, adhesion removal.
Current medications: asacol, nexium, ferrous forte 150, pain medication.
Successful fistula, adhesion, stricture removal (2 ft small bowel) on April 12th!

Nanners
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   Posted 9/6/2011 10:23 AM (GMT -6)   
I know there is a breath test, but my GI always just went by my symptoms. Hugs!
Gail*Nanners* Co-Moderator for Crohns Disease
Crohn's Disease for over 35 years. Currently on Asacol, Prilosec, Estrace, Prinivil, Percoset prn for pain, Zofran, Phenergan, Probiotics, Calcium, Vit D, Folic Acid and Xanax prn. Resections in 2002 & 2005. Also diagnosed w/ Fibromyalgia, Osteoarthritis, & Anxiety. Currently my Crohns is in remission, but my joints are going crazy!

Blue Velvyt
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   Posted 9/6/2011 10:24 AM (GMT -6)   
Heya Suds,
 
I think alot of us are int he same boat on this one, I too am having the exact same symptoms and am going to be asking my GI this week to rule out SIBO.
 
I read of at least 2 tests, a breathe test and a stool test, the stool test is apparently faster for you, as apparently the breathe test can take hours to do.
 
Here is a link to some great info, I'm sure there are way more links:
 
 
Cya Later :)
Jon

dragonfly137927
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   Posted 9/6/2011 11:53 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks for the info I was thinking about all this this morning and one thing I hadnt thought about until today was that all these increase symptoms also seem to coincide with starting the generic entocort instead of name brand something else I guess I need to bring up to the GI. I am going today to the lab to have the CRP done I guess that plus symptoms will help my GI know if it is the CD or something else.
Dx with Crohn's 1987, symptoms as early as 1984.
Temp iliostomy February 2007, reversed June 2007, Ovarian cysts, migraines, allergies (incl food allergies) , oral allergy syndrome (diff than true food allergies), Asthma, Gall Bladder removed 1999, Inguenal hernia 1987
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