SCD Yogurt....is there a store-bought substitute?!?

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andrealeigh71
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   Posted 7/20/2012 12:48 PM (GMT -6)   
I realize there are a lot of posts on this, but we are soon going to start the SCD diet. My husband FINALLY agreed to do it!!  My concern over this is the yogurt making process. It seems very time consuming and labor intensive, especially for this wife who hates to cook! 
 
Are there any store bought yogurt products we could use instead of making our own? Thanks in advance for your advice!!

WingZero
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   Posted 7/21/2012 5:48 AM (GMT -6)   
There aren't any store-bought subs unfortunately.

It's really not that time consuming. The thing that takes the longest is waiting for the milk to cool down before adding the starter. Otherwise you just kind of stand there stirring milk for like 15 minutes so it doesn't scald.
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andrealeigh71
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   Posted 7/21/2012 7:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Do you HAVE to use the yogurt on this diet or can it be left out completely? My husband hates yogurt...

WingZero
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   Posted 7/21/2012 10:10 AM (GMT -6)   
No, you don't. You can just get SCD legal acidophilus pills to supplement for the probiotics.

I've used both kirkman labs hypoallergenic and scdophilus (gi pro health). Didn't notice a difference with either of them, though I think the kirkman one was slightly cheaper. I've tried to find legal SCD probiotics at the store and haven't had any luck.
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DaveF
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   Posted 7/22/2012 3:21 PM (GMT -6)   
I know a lot of folks do not like yogurt and the SCD yogurt can be extra tangy, however, if you do SCD, your taste buds will change. Things that appeal today will not in the future
Also, foods that do not appeal today may turn out to be one of your favorites. There is that much change.
No need to push yogurt, but you may wish to try it later to see if your taste buds have changed in such a way that it tastes good.
 
I try to eat yogurt twice a day. I add fruit, vanilla extract that I make and cinnomin for the taste and healing properties. I love this, but do not like plain yogurt, so perhaps there are some legal additions that he could try to get something he likes.
 
David

allswell
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   Posted 7/22/2012 6:45 PM (GMT -6)   
My Sonoma yogurt maker works awesome.
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NY-Sooner
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   Posted 7/23/2012 9:35 AM (GMT -6)   
There are yogurts on the market like greek yogurt that don't have sugar added and come close to SCD yogurt, but the problem with all commercial yogurts is that they don't ferment them long enough for the bacteria to consumme all the lactose,  and lactose is what feeds the bad bacteria in your gut which you are trying to eliminate with the SCD diet. 
 
With SCD yogurt, you are suppose to ferment it for at least 24-30 hours to give the bacteria enough time to consume all the lactose.
 
Also, probiotic pills don't supply anywhere near the amount of bacteria 1 cup of yogurt has, if you want to get the full benefit of the SCD diet, yogurt is the only way to go.
 
I make my yogurt from 100% heavy cream and it is alot more fluffy and tasty then yogurt made from milk, plus it has a lot more calories if you are looking to put on weight.

WingZero
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   Posted 7/23/2012 10:05 AM (GMT -6)   
I also think SCD yogurt is really good compared to store-bought stuff. I like the tang, personally. The yogurt is one of the things I keep around from having been on the diet. It's so good with some berries or even just a little honey and cinnamon. Mmmm~
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Boloby
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   Posted 7/23/2012 2:15 PM (GMT -6)   
NY-Sooner said...
I make my yogurt from 100% heavy cream and it is alot more fluffy and tasty then yogurt made from milk, plus it has a lot more calories if you are looking to put on weight.


Forgive my ignorance, but what is heavy cream? Is this something you can buy at Whole Foods? I'm getting ready to give the SCD a try, so I'm trying to figure out everything I'll need.

WingZero
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   Posted 7/23/2012 2:28 PM (GMT -6)   
Heavy cream is usually used for rich desserts. It's like very thick milk. You can get it at any grocery store, it's usually with the milk and by the coffee creamer.
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Boloby
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   Posted 7/23/2012 2:31 PM (GMT -6)   
WingZero said...
Heavy cream is usually used for rich desserts. It's like very thick milk. You can get it at any grocery store, it's usually with the milk and by the coffee creamer.


Thanks. I appreciate the quick reply. I'm new here, having just found this forum the other day. Seems like a very helpful resource.

kazbern
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   Posted 7/23/2012 2:37 PM (GMT -6)   
Technically, heavy cream is going to be anywhere from 10-20% fat. Whole milk is 4% fat.
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stereofidelic89
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   Posted 7/23/2012 6:58 PM (GMT -6)   
andrealeigh71 said...
I realize there are a lot of posts on this, but we are soon going to start the SCD diet. My husband FINALLY agreed to do it!! My concern over this is the yogurt making process. It seems very time consuming and labor intensive, especially for this wife who hates to cook!


Are there any store bought yogurt products we could use instead of making our own? Thanks in advance for your advice!!


Andrealeigh, I cheated through the diet with yogurt by buying Costo's Kirkland brand Plain Greek Yogurt. :)

NiceCupOfTea
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   Posted 7/23/2012 7:41 PM (GMT -6)   
If you're in the UK, 'heavy' cream is double cream.

The SCD yoghurt being tangy doesn't put me off it: all yoghurt has a certain tang to it if it hasn't been heavily sweetened. Personally I love unsweetened Greek yoghurt, but I do tend to add the sugar back in via lemon curd or jam, which somewhat defeats the point of it >_>. Greek yoghurt + a high quality lemon curd = food of the gods, IMO, but there is no way the lemon curd is SCD legal. Not bad ingredients, though, apart from the sugar: just eggs, sugar, butter and lemon juice.

At least Greek yoghurt + honey is quite nice, I suppose... -_-

Still have yet to find out if lactose in yoghurt would really matter to the lactose tolerant or not. From the point of view of the SCD, I mean. I would've thought lactose would only have hung about in the intestines if you couldn't digest it properly - but I'm not really sure, tbh.

DaveF
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   Posted 7/23/2012 11:23 PM (GMT -6)   
NCOT - I really want you to read BTVC. It talks about all lactose, fructose and all that jass. Once you have read it, you will have an informed opinion. You might say "what a load of bull" or you might say "it makes sense", but I found it to be really informative and you might also.
BTW - the book is really short, so it will only take a very tiny amount of time to read. My first read was a couple of hours. But given as I was thinking about changing everything about what I eat for the next few years I read it a few times more.
You have really struggled, and I want good things for you, so I guess I wish you were sorted on SCD. and if not SCD, then perhaps another diet that makes sense to you. I so hope that you find some relieve from this DD. If not diet then LDN and if not something else.
I am traveling so I do not have my copy, but if I did I would loan it to you.
Let me know if you read it. Either way I would be interested in your take on it.
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   Posted 7/24/2012 7:38 AM (GMT -6)   
NiceCupOfTea,,,,lactose is a source of food for bacteria in your gut because it converts to sugar, that is the reason you don't want to use commercial yogurt because you are just feeding the bad bacteria and not starving them out, since commercial yogurt is not 100% lactose free.   SCD yogurt that is fermented 24-30 hours eliminates all the lactose because all the good bacteria in the yogurt eat the lactose as food.
 
The whole theory of the SCD diet is that CD is caused by an out of balance of bacteria in your gut where the drug resistant bacteria and yeast (the bad guys), they out number the good bacteria. These bad bacteria produce toxins that cause your immune system to go into overdrive which causes crohns symptoms.  The food source for all this bad bacteria is sugar and carbohydrates like grains and starches that convert to sugar.  The scd diet eliminates these sugars, thus eliminating the food source for the bad bacteria which in turn, kills off bad guys, thus reducing symptoms.  Eating the SCD yogurt repopulates the gut with the good bacteria that you need to help with digestion.
 

allswell
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   Posted 7/25/2012 5:33 AM (GMT -6)   
Again look into the yogurt maker at Sonoma too
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NiceCupOfTea
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   Posted 7/25/2012 11:04 AM (GMT -6)   
@dave - Hopefully a copy of BTVC will soon be winging its way across the Atlantic towards me. (Thanks, WingZero! :p) I'll read the science bits with interest, 'cos I'm a geek at heart.

Thanks a lot for your kind wishes. Appreciated.

@NY-Sooner - Don't really want to comment until I've read the book, but it bothers me a bit that Elaine's theory doesn't seem to have been tested. In one sense of course, the theory is completely irrelevant - if the diet works, then why does it matter why it works: it just does. I can entirely understand that viewpoint and am sympathetic to it. I just can't operate like that. Or, to be honest, I suppose I could if the diet really appealed to me. But it doesn't and so I need more scientific persuading :-/

WCAC
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   Posted 5/2/2015 6:12 PM (GMT -6)   
I am wondering about conflicting info in regards to making yogurt.
I have read in several books that the Yogourmet electric yogurt maker is recommended. Also, reccomended are the packages of Yogourmet starter. I also have read that it's important to let yogurt ferment for 24 hours.
Question 1: The Yogourmet electric instructions say 4-5 hours to make yogurt. So is this because the machines are better now, or do you ignore the instructions and let it run for 24 hours?
Question 2:The ingredients in the starter package by Yogourmet brand (not the bifidus version), contains sucrose. I have read that one should avoid sucrose. This seems counterproductive. Anyone know of another starter package that does not contain "illegal SCD" ingredients?
Question 3: Are there any yogurts available at the grocery store yet? I do not like cooking, and am hardly ever home, travel quite a bit for work.

Old Cronie
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   Posted 5/3/2015 7:35 PM (GMT -6)   
I will answer question 1 and 4
You can make a yogurt in 4-5 hrs but it will not be SCD legal. It will still have lactose remaining. It takes 24 hours for all the lactose to be "eaten"
This is why there are no legal store bought yogurts.
If you don't like cooking and travel a lot this diet is near impossible since you must be 100% compliant or so that's the theory behind it.
When I did it and travelled my first stop was whole foods for fruits, almond butter ,cheese etc.
Then when I ate out I could eat just a few things that were legal.
Broiled fish and vegetables, salad if they had oil and lemons...

Ereilly07
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   Posted 4/18/2016 10:47 PM (GMT -6)   
For those of you that need some variety using plain yogurt. I have two fantastic recipes that my daughter loves. I eat them too and I'm not on the diet. Just really like them.

On the top of the Smuckers crunchy pb jar is a dip recipe for apples. It is 1 cup pb, 1/4 cup yogurt, 1 tablespoon apple juice and ground cinnamon. It also calls for shelled sunflower seeds which I omitted. Could be good for texture. Or adding raisins. Great with Granny Smith apple slices.

The other recipe is for onion dip. Just google SCD diet onion dip. It's amazing. And can have so many uses. It's delicious.

quiltedcat
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   Posted 1/10/2017 5:48 PM (GMT -6)   
Is it possible to substitute rice based or soy based yogurt?

DaveF
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   Posted 1/11/2017 6:39 AM (GMT -6)   
Sorry rice and soy ate not permitted on SCD However, there are alternatives such as coconut, and almond milks of you do not tolerate cows milk
Good luck
Dave

Morefood
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   Posted 8/31/2017 9:02 AM (GMT -6)   
I just made my first batch of yogurt. Fingers crossed it works. From reading BTVC so far it looks like you are not to have fruit unless its peeled and cooked? Is this throughout the diet? I started the diet a week after I was diagnosed and its been 2-3 weeks and I can already see improvement. So pleased to have found this forum. I was so close to trying out David Klein's diet..i didn't even bother opening the book after finding out about SCD just gave it back.

I am still waiting for my appointment to find out the results of the biopsies during my Colonoscopy. I decided not to take the medication prescribed and try SCD first. Struggling to find Almond milk that tastes good without gum at the moment.

FSLondon
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   Posted 9/1/2017 6:10 AM (GMT -6)   
Peeled and cooked fruit is only required for the early stages of the diet. Once you have been on it for a while, if you find it helps you, then you can move to most raw fruits, but do introduce them one at a time to see if some still bug you.

As for medication, that's very much for you to decide with your doctor, but I'd urge you not to be completely against taking it. Often dealing with IBD requires multiple angles, not just diet.

As for nut milk without gums, there almost impossible to find in the US. You can make your own cashew milk pretty easily.
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