MAP in the news again (Alberta)

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pb4
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   Posted 10/15/2007 6:04 PM (GMT -7)   
Here's the link....
 
 
 
 
FYI, this same Dr. Rioux is the same one that I've quoted regarding the genetics of IBD.
 
 
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EMom
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   Posted 10/16/2007 5:24 AM (GMT -7)   
Okay, that's interesting. Thanks, PB4 for posting that! Lancet also has a study released in September '07 which allows a connection. I do not have that link, and it's $30 to buy the article online, but clearly there is something afoot.
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gachrons
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   Posted 10/16/2007 5:55 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi That is alot of people in Calgary getting CD. Wow in 20 years or so the place would have a lot of people with CD .I can see why thay are concerned. Thanks for this info. Hopefully they can find a better solution to cleaning the milk. I wonder what they will do about the meat. Perhaps they should do testing on the cows to see if they can cure it I hope they don't have to go on Remicade ( ha ha) that sure would be costly. lol gail

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   Posted 10/16/2007 6:51 AM (GMT -7)   
He makes a very moooooooooving case. Maybe getting to the ,grass roots, of the problem. Wonder if other doctors have , herd , about this. Makes you want to , hoof, it on down to his office. But then it could be , udder, speculation. Actually I hope he , milks, this for all its worth. Dont have a , cow . I just dont want to , steer , you wrong. We can only hope that this is not just another load of , bull &#!+..
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Nanners
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   Posted 10/16/2007 6:52 AM (GMT -7)   
Sniper you crack me up!
Been living with Crohn's Disease for 32 years.  Currently on Asacol, Prilosec 60 mg, Estrace, Prinivil, Diltiazem, Percoset prn for pain and Calcium.  Resections in 2002 and 2005.  Recently diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and doing tests to see if I have Inflammatory Arthritis or AS.


Sniper
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   Posted 10/16/2007 6:56 AM (GMT -7)   
I do my best Nanners. Life is hard enough , just as soon laugh when we can.
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Lady G
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   Posted 10/16/2007 8:49 AM (GMT -7)   
I don't think milk has much to do with our disease, but who knows, at least not for me...I never drank milk as a kid and hardly ever drink any now a days, hate the taste, and I have Crohns, so I sure did not get it from the milk out here (and yes, I am an Albertan)...didn't pass through my mom as she NEVER drinks milk, she despises it, and my dad has Crohns, I got mine through genetics, but he wouldn't of got it through that either, and he grew up in calgary yes. We are Edmontonian now (well, me and mom always were, just my dad isn't).
26 year old, married. Diagnosed with Crohns at 17, suspected of having for at least a year or so before that.  Alot of Crohns in my family history.  No surgeries yet.  2 bad Flares so far. Taking Entocort.


HabsHockeyFan
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   Posted 10/16/2007 9:20 AM (GMT -7)   
Thanks pb4....I like to continue to read about this but I am still unsure the connection. Of course i am sitting here drinking a pint of 2% milk as I write this! I am one of the few that milk does not bother---yes I am a weirdo again.

In his joking I think Sniper hit on my main thoughts on this. Is it from the milk or are we getting it the same way the cows are (earth, water, etc)?
Sniper...someday I will spill my bad bunny jokes for you!
Dx'd '90 (emergency rupture), symptoms ignored long before that, '03 fistulas and bad flagyl reactions, B12 weekly, Pentasa [until I surrender to the bigger meds]
I'm riding on the escalator of life....


Erik45
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   Posted 10/16/2007 9:24 AM (GMT -7)   
I don't think milk causes it as well because why are kids born with this disease. But the article was interesting. That was funny sniper LOL!!

pb4
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   Posted 10/16/2007 11:25 AM (GMT -7)   
Not "cause" but trigger, 2 different things, of course one would likely have to be predisposed to getting IBD (genetics) in order for MAP to trigger their disease.

And drinking milk only once or twice in your lifetime could be enough to trigger it who know...not to mention, (and it pisses me off that this wasn't mentiond on the news) but MAP is also found in soil (where veggies and such are grown) as well as our water supply.


LOL sniper, I wouldn't have expected anything less from your reply...you have such a knack! :)



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EMom
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   Posted 10/16/2007 12:33 PM (GMT -7)   
Yes, MAP is found in water, soil, beef, and potentially all dairy--except possibly that which states it is "ultra-pasteurized" (usually the more expensive, organic brands of milk only). My son has never been a milk drinker but loves cheese....hummmm.....

H. pylori was proven about 15 years ago to cause stomach ulcers. Think H. pylori..... nasty little micro-organism.... Not everyone got stomach ulcers, just those who were susceptible... hummm......

Sniper, that was great!
EMom

Grateful for everyone's help here!

Mother to 15 year old boy just diagnosed in June, 2007.
Currently taking Asacol, omega 3s, digestive enzymes, probiotics, iron, vit. C, and a good multivitamin.
Just starting the Maker's Diet.


EMom
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   Posted 10/16/2007 12:39 PM (GMT -7)   
Actually, what I've been reading says it can be found in any ruminant. That would include goats, sheep, deer, etc.
EMom

Grateful for everyone's help here!

Mother to 15 year old boy just diagnosed in June, 2007.
Currently taking Asacol, omega 3s, digestive enzymes, probiotics, iron, vit. C, and a good multivitamin.
Just starting the Maker's Diet.


njmom
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   Posted 10/16/2007 12:45 PM (GMT -7)   
My daughter drank milk at least three times a day, every day of her life, even in high school. And we thought it was a good thing. Dang.
Daughter (19) Dx'd Crohn's 3/06. Misdiagnosed for two years, including by top pediatric Crohn's specialist as stress and needing more fiber but landed in hospital in 3/06 with cramps, vomiting, stricture. In remission with Entocort 3 mg (one pill), SCD multivitamin, homemade yogurt, vit D3 1800IU, 900+ mg calcium, 50 mg B complex vit, 25 mg iron. Just quit the SCD diet.   
 


Skjura
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   Posted 10/16/2007 2:22 PM (GMT -7)   
....and it still could be a good thing...njmom...:-)



LOL Sniper! :-)



From Ingrid
 
Diagnosed CD June 2007. Have been on a minor prednisone medication. Did make a difference while max dosed. Got my problems back when tapering.
 
Using Low Dose Naltrexone from sept. 2007. See yahoo.com. A member in the group "lowdosenaltrexone" at yahoo.
 
Use home made scd yoghurt containing a lot of probiotics - a benefit for the intestines. I don't use white sugar. No yeast in glutenfree, homemade breads.

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