SCD vs the Maker's Diet

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CrazyHarry
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   Posted 12/2/2007 5:44 PM (GMT -7)   
i have taken the time to quickly dissect these two popular diets for crohn's disease in an effort to help people understand their origin and what they entail. there are some inherent differences, but they also agree on one major point, the danger of carbohydrates (grains and sugars), yet arrive at this from totally different starting points. i tried to make this as basic as possible by just highlighting some key points of each. which one is better or which one to do is solely up to you. imho, they both should work (but no promises). just be forewarned that one is not necessarily easier or better than the other, they are just different. and they are both intimidating so if you do choose to follow one or both of them please know that you will need a lot of self discipline to do so and i cannot stress enough the importance to follow the protocol of the one you choose and to do it exactly. otherwise you will not know if it works for you or how well you can possibly get on the diet. imho, the best way to make the decision of which diet to follow is to discuss with others on this board (and other places) who have tried them and their opinions of the diets and to also peruse the book yourself if you can to get a better understanding of the diet. unfortunately this exercise has caused me to leave out a bunch of stuff on both diets. a point of interest not included below is that both diets include an appendix of recipes, meal plans, and a step by step way of introducing the diet. best of luck!


The Specific Carbohydrate Diet

• Scientific investigation of the effects of various sugars on the digestive tract at the cellular level.
• Geared towards celiac disease, crohn’s disease, and other GI diseases/problems, and loosely to autism.
• Purports a connection with food in relation to the brain and behavior.
• Problems from certain foods and the byproducts produced from “harmless” foods create problems in the GI tract – not food allergies.
• The SCD has a holistic goal of re-establishing the healthy balance of intestinal flora. It corrects malabsorption allowing nutrients to enter the bloodstream and be available to cells thereby strengthening the immune system. This is accomplished by depriving the microbes in the gut of food (ie sugars and starches) so it cannot overpopulate the gut.
• Triggers are unknown. Possible sources are microbial overgrowth related to the malabsorption and faulty digestion of carbohydrates.
• The SCD promotes the cave man/hunter-gatherer diet: meat & salad and eliminates ALL sugars and grains (free of grains and milk).
• Strict control of sugars and starches; promotes gluten free diet.
• Sugars: only allowable sugars are simple single sugars (i.e. glucose, or monosaccharides). Examples include fruit, honey, yogurt, and vegetables.
• Disallowed: all grains, milk, rice, corn, potatoes, complex and refined sugars and carbohydrates.
• Beans are ok if they are soaked first for at 10-14 hours to remove indigestible sugars.
• The viscous cycle: impaired digestion of disaccharides – malabsorption of sugars cause bacterial overgrowth – excess mucus production in gut – injury to intestine – repeat.
• Excess mucus production of intestinal cells prevent digestion of disaccharides (double sugars – sucrose). The mucus layer prevents contact between disaccharides and digestive enzymes, hence sugars are not absorbed and processed which results in disease.




The Maker’s Diet

• The Maker’s Diet is based upon the dietary and nutritional laws found in the Old Testament of the Bible, specifically Dueteronomy 14 and Leviticus 11.
• Evidence to the benefits of this way of eating is provided by historical observation by medical professionals looking at primitive and ancient cultures and the effect the western diet has on them. They note that the overall health of man declined as we shifted from a hunter-gatherer diet to an agrarian based society. The modern diet produces physical degeneration and is to blame for today’s health problems, poor brain development, and associated social disorders.
• Geared to improve overall health; not specifically tailored for a specific disease or condition.
• Enteric nervous system, our “second brain”, is located in the GI tract. It is independent of the central nervous system, our other brain.
• The state of health is affected by the GI tract.
• Importance of faith.
• Strong emphasis on organic foods – produce, animal products, and processed foods.
• If it was not around in biblical times chances are it is not good for you and is actually harmful to you. Same goes with the preparation and production techniques.
• Grains, seeds, and nuts are allowed as long as they are sprouted.
• Beans are to be soaked for at least 8 hours to remove phytates (enzyme inhibitors on their surface).
• Pork and shellfish are not allowed as they are scavengers.
• Liberal use of refined and processed foods are strongly discouraged.
• Red meat and saturated fat are good for you.
• Raw foods are healthier. This includes not only fruits and vegetables but also dairy (ie milk and cheese).
• Disallowed foods include genetically modified/bioengineered foods and foods with added hormones, steroids, chemicals, additives, and synthetic ingredients.
• Fasting, detox, and GI cleansing is good for you.
• Emphasis on the importance of good and proper hygiene for good health.
• Sleep is important.
• Recommends supplements: probiotics with HSO, cod liver oil, etc.
• All water should be free of chlorine.
• Reduce/manage stress and negative emotions.
• Other environmental toxins: airborne toxins, body/skin care products.
Crazy Harry

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Crohn's since 1993 (17 yrs old then)
surgery in July '05 - removal of 2 inches at ileum and 8 inches of sigmoid colon (had fistula into bladder)
Nov '05 developed colonic inertia; July '06 told i needed ostomy surgery
began maker's diet in August '06 - now feeling the best ever with no symptoms of colonic inertia and i kept my colon
med free as of 10/31/07


CrazyHarry
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   Posted 12/2/2007 10:46 PM (GMT -7)   
no offense taken kasper87. the health and wellness field is not an exact science as what was purported as truth and lore one day is not the next (remember when margarine was healthier than butter?). i am open to divergent viewpoints cos i too may learn something. as for diet, there is no single diet that will work for everyone, so if you have found something that works for you - fantastic! stick with it and perhaps your sharing of it can help others. the maker's diet has turned my life around and has done so for countless other people, crohn's or not. same with the scd. as these seem to be the most popular diets for cd and have been discussed on the board numerous times, i wanted to take the time to quickly outline them for people who are curious or have questions.

now if you would be so kind to grant me a short rebuttle:

i've always heard as broccoli being the #1 vegetable, not potatoes.

potatoes are heavy starch which translates to carbs and sugars. the potato ranks all over the glycemic index, from low to high, depending on the type of potato. the scd recommends not eating them at all. makers on the other hand says it is ok as long as it is organic (vegetables are allowed but grains are to be scrutinized).

white rice is a nightmare. it is very high glycemic and is the reason why you feel hungry an hour or so later after you ate a large meal of chinese food. high glycemic foods screw with insulin levels. both the scd and maker's approach to low to no grain consumption is geared to both intestinal health and rebalancing blood sugar levels. when your blood sugars crash and you go hypoglycemic your body starts to crave sweets in an effort to rebalance the bloodsugar which is now too low cos insulin did its job too well. this is why you get hungry again an hour or so later. trust me, you arent hungry, you just have low blood sugar.

brown rice however is a much better substitute to white rice. this is allowed on the maker's (again organic is best) but scd lists it as illegal.

if you predigest your nuts and seeds (ie sprout them) perhaps you'd have a better reaction to their digestion. the maker's diet recommends this for their consumption.

the no fat and high complex carbohydrate diet is what got most of the US fat and obese, high blood pressure, high cholesterol, type 2 diabetes, and long laundry list of chronic health problems. one of the main problems with low fat diets is that in encourages a higher carb consumption and most of this is in the form of processed carbs which are quickly turned into sugar. the usda food pyramid is a joke, imho. however, what may not work for some does work for others. this is when you have to take into account metabolic type. some people do extremely well on diets high in carbohydrates while some dont. the same is true for protein. sticking to a regiment of complex carbs, if you eat carbs, is best imho.

fat is good for you. your brain is 60% fat. without fat you cannot absorb or utilize the fat soluble vitamins A,D,E, and K. hence fat is present in food in its natural state for a reason. if you eat low fat may i suggest you supplement your diet with cod liver oil (especially in the winter time for vitamin D purposes) and also with coconut oil, nuts (if you can tolerate them), flax seed oil, cold water fish (salmon, mackeral), and avocados. these are good sources of fat and should help replace the sources of fat you are abstaining from.

dairy, imho, is a toss up. there are pros and cons. personal choice. you can get your probiotics from supplements or yogurt.

give raw eggs a try. you dont need to do the rocky balboa thing and drink a glass of them. put them in a smoothie or mix with your juice in a blender. dont worry to much about samonella (sp?) poisoning. that bacteria strain is only on the shell and can be safely removed by washing your eggs with water or if you extra cautious, using hydrogen peroxide and then a rinse with water. i say this cos heat kills nutrients and enzymes in not just meat but also fruits and vegetables.

i get tons of nutrients on the maker's diet. fruits and vegetables are nutrient powerhouses. research shows that the nutrient content of organic fruits and vegetables is far superior than their conventional counterparts. most carb based foods are eschewed by the maker's diet. did you know that something like 95% of carbohydrate based food is processed? do you know how bread is made? in the process all of the fiber, nutrients, and minerals are removed. since people started coming down with illnesses they thought once a thing of the past (like vitamin b deficiencies) it was mandated by the govt that bread be fortified with vitamins. they enrich (ie replace) the 22 natural vitamins and mineral they take out of wheat and replace it with 5 synthetic ones. makes bread pretty low in nutrition imho. the maker's diet encourages one to only eat bread and other grain derivative foods that have been sprouted, that is the disaccharides which are harder and take more energy to digest are naturally transformed (digested) into monosaccarhides before the bread is made. the scd only allows monosaccharides.

a low carb diet, like atkins, is where you can run into trouble with being deficient in nutrients. it has a carb ceiling which can eliminate many fruits and vegetables. it works in short term use for weight loss but i do not recommend it as a lifestyle. the makers and scd do not have carb ceilings and thus do not have this problem.

i do agree with you - animal fat is bad. it is where toxins filtered out by the liver but the body cannot expel are stored. so if the cow you are getting your steak from was conventionally raised (ie with growth hormones and steroids and antibiotics and raised on corn, which is not the animal's natural diet and is the most genetically modified crop on the planet second only to the soybean) i cannot stress enough that you should trim the fat from your meat. this decreases the bioaccumulation affect and lowers your exposure to the harmful chemicals the animal was exposed to. but organic or conventionally raised you should trim the fat.

no one truly knows what triggers crohn's disease. i have a hard time personally believing it is red meat cos i hardly ate it growing up. according to both the scd and maker's diet, it is due to a change in the flora in our intestines. how is that done? by over feeding them with sugars, ie carbohydrates. the most popular belief in the medical community (at least to my knowledge) is that one must have a genetic predisposition to the disease and then undergo some environmental stressor, which triggers an auto-immune response in the gut involving the intestinal flora. seems like both the maker's and scd, imho, have found the trigger - over consumption of processed and refined grains and sugars.

red meat though is a vital source of complete protein. it has the 8 essential amino acids. only animal proteins (ie meat) have this. red meat has been incorrectly linked to heart disease and what not (same with saturated fat - the majority of artery plaque is mono and unsaturated and trans fat). it probably isnt a good idea to have a steak with every meal or every day, but once a week or so cant hurt you. i believe it is one's personal choice to eat red meat or not. pork is probably worse than red meat cos pigs are scavenger animals and have been proven to be able to live off feces. no joke.

the makers diet and scd both allow one to eat liberally from meat and vegetables and fruit (makers more so than scd). dairy is allowed in makers, scd only bans milk. our ancestors didnt eat a lot of carbs. the cave man sure didnt. he didnt have bread. so how did we get to where we are today as a species and live this long if not eating a diet heavy in grains and carbs is a scam? food for thought my friend.

i say none of this to instigate a war. only a rebuttle to your friendly (and i do mean friendly) discourse. again, do what works for you. i think it is great that you too have also been able to regain your life and keep the disease at bay through diet and nutrition. if you wish to continue this conversation please do so. if you have questions or comments about anything i said, feel free to let me know. i dont know everything nor do i have all the answers. all i can do is relay to you what i have discovered in my research and from my experiences. i reiterate, diet and nutrition is not very well understood. there is a lot of conjecture and the status quo is constantly changing.

in health,
Crazy Harry

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Crohn's since 1993 (17 yrs old then)
surgery in July '05 - removal of 2 inches at ileum and 8 inches of sigmoid colon (had fistula into bladder)
Nov '05 developed colonic inertia; July '06 told i needed ostomy surgery
began maker's diet in August '06 - now feeling the best ever with no symptoms of colonic inertia and i kept my colon
med free as of 10/31/07


gachrons
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   Posted Yesterday 4:48 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Harry Glad to see your interest in your diet and that you are doing so good on it. As far as the cave man goes he didn't have the stress associated with todays living to contend with . What about the good old bread called dough and the stress of having to pay for everything now adays .Higher prices and stress is high in todays society and it's a wonder we have any guts left from trying to cope. lol gail

EMom
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   Posted Yesterday 2:25 PM (GMT -7)   
Wow...thanks for posting the diet stuff side by side for easy comparison!!!! I hope this inspires some folks who are on the fence to give one or the other a try.

I've read about both diets extensively now, and believe either format is the key to keep this in check. Maybe even remission. I truly believe we just are NOT supposed to consume refined foods, and some folks' systems let them know this loud and clear.

I lean a little more in favor of the Maker's Diet (but have been using some SCD recipes recently) though, because I believe the whole idea that there is greater value in consuming organics, organic fed animals and sprouted grains. Why not put the highest quality foods available in your body? Sure, it's a bit more expensive, but we no longer spend money on a whole host of processed things I used to have in the fridge and pantry, so I feel it's a wash. We also eat out far less than we used to; again saving money. I also like the Maker's Diet because I believe in the importance of faith and that God put all that info in the Bible for a reason!

CH, have you ever watched the interview of Elaine Gottschall on her website? If not, I'll try to find the link for you. What a fascinating, awesome lady! I know she's been gone a few years now, but what an amazing legacy she has left behind for Crohn's sufferers!! The interview made me wish I'd known her...

Thanks again for the info!!!
EMom

Grateful for everyone's help here!

Mother to 15 year old boy diagnosed in June, 2007.
Currently taking Asacol, omega 3s, digestive enzymes, probiotics, iron, vit. C, calcium and a good multivitamin.

Started The Maker's Diet in early September.


AmandaH01
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   Posted 1/18/2008 10:46 AM (GMT -7)   
Wow, this is a ton of info. Thanks. :-) You have obviously done your job researching. cool
Amanda: age 23 happily married for 6 years
Mother to Kirstiana 5, Savannah soon to be 2, Halen 11 weeks
I have had symptoms since a young child but I was FINALLY diagnosed 1/14/2008!
  • Currently taking: Pentasa 500 mg 2 tablets 3 times daily  Darvocet 1 tablet every 6 hours as needed (I can't take due to watching my children it makes me drowsy and sick) Prednisone 60 mg to decrease by 10 mg weekly until down to 2.5mg Ranitidine 300 mg 1 tablet twice daily Women's one a day multi-vitamin with double the calcium once daily

I have no family or friends around me other than my husband and children so I very greatly appreciate this group and i'm hoping to become a regular. You are all great people! (I also need to add my father in law does live fairly close as well..I don't want to leave him out.)

 
 


Roni
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   Posted 1/18/2008 2:22 PM (GMT -7)   
Awesome information thread!

I tend to prefer the MD over the SCD because I figure if the MD comes right out of the Bible, then you just can't go wrong. LOL. Plus I'm allergic to nuts, so almond flour is out of the question for me.

The only thing is, the MD says to limit your bread intake, but clearly, bread was one of the main dishes of the Bible. In almost every instance of hungry people in the Bible that I can remember, they ate bread. I tend to think that properly prepared breads and grains should be allowed more often during and after phase 3 of the MD -- if the person tolerates it okay, of course.

Zanne
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   Posted 1/18/2008 3:51 PM (GMT -7)   
chas036

I agree that if it works for you, great. For those of us who can't/don't follow these diets, it is not because we wouldn't prefer a more natural approach. It isn't because we like being a slave to the drug companies. It is because IF we ate these foods in the quanties called for, we would have blockages and become very sick. I ate ONE grape tomato at Xmas and was in pain the next day and running to the bathroom. Can you imagine a full salad?

I personally know what happens when you go for years NOT taking any maintenance drugs and think that all is fine and managed, because I did it for ten years. What it got me was 4 surgeries in the next 10 years and a total of over 4 feet of intestine gone, with multiple strictures, scar tissue, fissures and fistulas. Those of us who have had multiple resections can not possibly eat this way and to insinuate that we somehow just don't want to get better so we are unwilling to try one of these diets is hurtful. This is suppose to be a supportive forum and to blast an entire group of us and basically call us weak is unkind. Perhaps you could rephrase your post that you continue to paste into every thread. Personally I am getting more and more tired of it.
Suzanne

CD 19 years offically, 29 unofficially. 3 resections '93, '95 '97
Symptoms constantly but all tests show only minor ulcerations. Currently having multiple episodes of gastritis with no known cause.


Prednisone, 6MP,Prevacid, B12 shots, Bentyl, Xifaxan.....


kim123
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   Posted 1/18/2008 4:03 PM (GMT -7)   
I thought the bread in the bible was yeast free...unleavened bread??
BTW, grains including corn, as well as the peanuts we eat today is commonly or universally contaminated with mycotoxins, fungal poisons. Perhaps that has also triggered a lot of our health problems, along with the overuse of antibiotics. These diets eliminate the mycotoxic foods and foods that feed the fungus, if your symptoms have a fungal etiology. After following an antifungal program, similar to SCD, I get well again. I agree with Harry that "fat" in the meat is not bad, as long as the meat is grass fed beef. The fat is bad if cattle has been subjected to injections of antibiotics, growth hormones, eating fungal contaminated grains, because they are stored in the fat then. Meat contains conjugated linoleic acids, which are naturally antimycotoxic. Harry, it's great that you are still doing so well. Thank you for this posting. chas036, great news! Continued good health to you and your wife! You are right, it takes a lot of discipline, but it is better than being sick all the time, isn't it :)

stkitt
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   Posted 1/18/2008 5:29 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello Everyone,

"On HealingWell we strive to seek a balance between alternative and traditional approaches. I feel strongly, both approaches have value for anyone seeking healing.

Discussions should be balanced and suggestions concerning the scientific validity of such remedies are open for discussion also. We are all entitled to our opinions and when those differ from one another, we can show respect even if we disagree.

We are all in this together :)"

A very wise person posted this today in another forum.  I think here is a good place to post it also. Just a gentle reminder. Thank you each of you.
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CrazyHarry
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   Posted 1/18/2008 6:03 PM (GMT -7)   
i posted this as an FYI information type thing. the makers diet and scd seem to come up every so often and people are curious as to what they entail and which one is better. i wanted to take the opportunity to give a quick run down of the 2 diets and what can be expected on each one.

as to what others do, how they interpret, and how they respond to such information is beyond my control. if i were to start any kind of "fight" or disrespect any one on this board, trust me, the rest of you probably wouldnt see it cos the moderators would quickly delete my post and ban me from the site. but no one need worry about that since that is not my nature.

but i whole heartedly agree, both natural and medicinal approaches have their value and place and this website should be a place of open discussion and exchange of ideas. that is what i am here for as i am sure all of you.
Crazy Harry

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Crohn's since 1993 (17 yrs old then)
surgery in July '05 - removal of 2 inches at ileum and 8 inches of sigmoid colon (had fistula into bladder)
Nov '05 developed colonic inertia; July '06 told i needed ostomy surgery
began maker's diet in August '06 - now feeling the best ever with no symptoms of colonic inertia and i kept my colon
med free as of 10/31/07


Sarita
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   Posted 1/18/2008 6:20 PM (GMT -7)   
CrazyHarry, I for one am appreciative of the information, and think you do a great job explaining these diets. They may help many people who are looking for alternatives to meds (for whatever reason).
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Kittikatt
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   Posted 1/18/2008 6:35 PM (GMT -7)   
I gotta tell you guys...I'm THRILLED there have been so many discussions lately about The Maker's Diet!  I tried to start a discussion about it 4 years ago when I first read the book and no one had heard of it!  I'd love it if those that are already on the MD and those that are wanting to give it a try could start a thread and share a listing of what they're eating each day and taking supplement-wise (like probiotics).  To be honest, when I first read the book I was gunho on trying it and I did a modified version of it (leaving off pork and shellfish) but not knowing enough about foods beyond the typical American diet, I just didn't have a clue how to START on a true, full version of the MD.  Plus I didn't have any support.   I haven't understood how to even begin deciding which kind of Probiotic supplement to take!  And what the heck does "predigested" mean?!  Thanks to all of you who have been contributing to the discussion of this diet.  It's really been helpful to me. Being a born-again Christian, I do tell to lean toward this diet for my Crohn's.  I just hope I can start to gather enough info and enough self-discipline to take the modified version I've been on to the next level.

Diagnosed in October, 2003.
36/F/SC
Currently taking Colazal, Nexium, One-A-Day multivitamin
Secondary conditions: mouth ulcers, joint pain, extreme fatigue


Roni
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   Posted 1/18/2008 9:57 PM (GMT -7)   
Zanne,

Any diet we try, we should make sure we don't eat anything in a form that we know is gonna obstruct us. We can always puree the veggies and the fruit and water them down. If we have CD ulcers in our tummies, then we can choose the lower acidic fruits and veggies until we can tolerate them.

I tried many things over the years, including NOT eating fruits or veggies which didn't help me get my symptoms in check, so now I just eat them because at least they're providing nutrition to me, even if they still go through fast. If/when I have obstruction, I puree or mash them.

Clearly, something has worked for Chas036's wife and he wants to tell ppl about it. I think it's awesome she got her symptoms in check and I hope he doesn't stop telling other ppl with CD about something that may help them too.

This is a great thread. I too am so glad we are FINALLY talking about diet! I'm just glad I've finally found a way to get some fruit and veggies in me. I really missed them the years I didn't eat them, and it probably made me even sicker.

tinglebell
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   Posted 1/18/2008 10:40 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks to Crazy for your hard work, (maybe you should copyright and write a book) and for Kasper's diet tips. I have been considering both diets and have been waiting for my bile duct issue to resolve before starting. But today, they were unable to do the procedure because my stomach was full. The doc suggested I may have gastroparesis and then my pictures indicated a "bezoar", (never heard of it) and put me on reglan. He also prescribed a low residue diet. I even had the maker's diet book from the library and had been looking on the SCD site. Now I am thinking of a smoothie diet. I am so torn, and tired of being in limbo.
DIANNE
Humira, pred and entocort 1/08
3 small bowel resections, 1 for perforation, 2 for strictures 
 


Zanne
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   Posted 1/19/2008 6:46 AM (GMT -7)   
I too think it is great that these diets work for some, and for Chas036's wife in particular.

What I object to is his characterization of everyone who isn't trying these diets as weak or unmotivated to get better. That we like being slaves to the drug companies. I own both of these diet books, I actually own the 2 of the SCD book. I've tried them, religiously. And for me they didn't work. I got very sick in a very short period of time. And for others, they don't work. It is the characterizations of an entire group of us on this forum that I am offended by. His words are harsh and unkind. I have no objection to him posting his positive outcomes and encouragements. Just leave out the generalizations about the rest of us.
Suzanne

CD 19 years offically, 29 unofficially. 3 resections '93, '95 '97
Symptoms constantly but all tests show only minor ulcerations. Currently having multiple episodes of gastritis with no known cause.


Prednisone, 6MP,Prevacid, B12 shots, Bentyl, Xifaxan.....


CrazyHarry
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   Posted 1/19/2008 8:20 AM (GMT -7)   
zanne - my words are harsh and unkind? huh? really? well then my apologies to you and others that feel that way. that was not my intention. i believe you have misinterpreted my postings, perhaps influenced by a bias of these diets not working for you (the only conclusion i can surmise). email is virtually impossible to convey emotion and you cant use body language, so words can easily be misinterpreted and taken out of context. please read all my posts (and every one elses) objectively. i find that the best way to read email is in a positive mood so that you are not influenced by your emotions when reading.

if you do truly feel that i am abrasive, then perhaps it is best if you skip over any and all of my postings....
Crazy Harry

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Crohn's since 1993 (17 yrs old then)
surgery in July '05 - removal of 2 inches at ileum and 8 inches of sigmoid colon (had fistula into bladder)
Nov '05 developed colonic inertia; July '06 told i needed ostomy surgery
began maker's diet in August '06 - now feeling the best ever with no symptoms of colonic inertia and i kept my colon
med free as of 10/31/07


stkitt
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   Posted 1/19/2008 9:47 AM (GMT -7)   

Good Morning Everyone
It is a sunny and cold  -15 degrees in Minnesota today. I think the thread on diets is  a great one and I know from experience that Crohn's changes your whole outlook on food and diet is an important part of how you control your own CD.
I support each and everyone's personal choice re diets and by sharing we are helping each other and educating newbies.
I have copied info from all the posts for reference for my hubby. He controls his own diet and sticks to what works for him.  I respect his need to eat on his schedule.
Thanks to all and please keep talking about your diets and what works for you.


 
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yogaprof
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   Posted 1/19/2008 10:18 AM (GMT -7)   
Zanne said...
chas036

This is suppose to be a supportive forum and to blast an entire group of us and basically call us weak is unkind. Perhaps you could rephrase your post that you continue to paste into every thread. Personally I am getting more and more tired of it.
I agree, Zanne, that people need to be very careful on this post to not blast others, whether it be for trying alternatives, trying to go off meds, or trying everything known by science. it is interesting how this topic (natural vs meds) gets us more worked up than anything else on this forum. while it makes sense that chas would be thrilled with his wife's results, I, too, think his post is rather inflammatory to those who try other routes.
anyone who has been sick for months or years knows that things change, meds change, symptoms change. we are all doing our best to be healthy and educated. we need to treat each other's choices with respect.

yogaprof
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   Posted 1/19/2008 10:19 AM (GMT -7)   
oh, and Crazy harry, your info is fabulous!
48 y/o woman.  Diagnosed 4/06 after colonscopy, SBFT, CT-scan all showed crohns. 3 months later, after pred and remicade, all tests showed no crohns. December '06 had adhesions cut through a laparoscopy. Now just taking Glycolax, Ultra Fiber Plus, probiotics, and vicodin as needed. Experimenting with gluten-free diet per naturopath's tests.


EmmyT
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   Posted 1/19/2008 10:35 AM (GMT -7)   
I wanted to make a comment because I am reading about the Maker's Diet for the first time, and more specifically the second bood that is called "Restoring your Digestive Helath". It is geared toward bowel disease. You see, I don't think that it was made clear that this book believes in red meat as a healthy fat, yes, but it believes in getting it in the natural organic version that is not pumped with animal hormones in "modern" times. Which takes into account the theory that the hormones pumped in red meat might have led to digestive disease. In addition, it believes in eating very lean read meats. Secondly, the book believes in dairy, but not cow's milk or cow's milk products which is what also may have theoretically led to Crohns. In terms of fruits and veggies, the digestive book talks about making vegetable and fruit juices and eating them cooked or soft, so it recognizes that you can not eat salad or grapes. I have only read the first few chapters, but found it interesting that it takes all those things into consideration.

CrohnsDaddy
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   Posted 1/20/2008 10:47 AM (GMT -7)   
IMHO, diets should be used as any other "treatment"; yet another option that has varying degrees of success for some, and not for others.

Prior to giving in and going to the GI's for the first time (last October, when I got my Crohn's diagnosis), over the years, I had tried allllll the diets that are supposed to give you relief from whatever GI ailment ails you. I tried Makers, SCD, Breaking the Vicious Cycle, A Carbohydrate Addicts Lifestyle Program, Atkins, all of them. And none of them worked *for me*. Am I saying that they don't offer relief for some? Absolutely not. I know for a fact that Entocort works great for some people, whereas for others it does nothing. I think these diets should be looked at in exactly the same light. What works for some *may or may not* work for others. They *are not* a cure-all, and anyone billing them as such should be outed and flogged. : )

Yet another treatment option... which is a good thing. The more options we have, the more people will be helped.
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Nanners
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   Posted 1/20/2008 11:23 AM (GMT -7)   
CrohnsDaddy and Zanne I agree with you both. I live on a modified low residue diet and "for me" it works really well. If these other diets work for the others that's great. But just like Crohns is individual in all of us, so are our diets. So please remember "everyone", things aren't the same for everyone. What works for one does not always work for another. Peace y'all!!
Been living with Crohn's Disease for 32 years.  Currently on Asacol, Prilosec 60 mg, Estrace, Prinivil, Diltiazem, Percoset prn for pain and Calcium.  Resections in 2002 and 2005.  Recently diagnosed with Fibromyalgia and doing tests to see if I have Inflammatory Arthritis or AS.


Roni
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   Posted 1/20/2008 12:21 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Nanners,

When you say the low residue diet "works really well", does that mean you eventually achieve remission when you stick to your diet, or do you still have crohn's symptoms, you just feel a little better?

I'd really like to know because for me, a low residue diet for years did a little for my symptoms, but nothing for the actual crohns, it still progressed over the months and years and always with meds too. And I wasn't eating healthy at all. All white flour, little veggies fruit and meat. Of course, I lived off of high sugar products too like Honeycombs. LOL ;-)

stkitt
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   Posted 1/20/2008 12:26 PM (GMT -7)   
I agree with ya all.  My hubby lives on the Vension diet (He is a hunter and eats ground meat).......after reading so much here it dawned on me perhaps he does so well as he does not eat meat that has been treated with chemicals.  Well I am glad it works for him.  I hope and pray that each person finds the treatment modality that works for them and that includes their diet. :-)
 
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gumby44
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   Posted 1/20/2008 2:39 PM (GMT -7)   
I feel like a deer in the headlights! I read about all the different diet options that completely contradict each other, and my GI who believes diet doesn't matter, and I get completely overwhelmed. It's getting so that I hate eating altogether, because I can't figure out what to do! I was overweight, happy and loved food and cooking before I got sick. I've lost about 15-20 lbs. since my diagnosis in September, and although everyone says I "look great" I know I'm not getting adequate nutrtion. I know I need to just try one thing at a time and see what works for me, but I just don't know where to start. I'd love some feedback from some of you experienced Chronnies. Some of my weight loss is from flares and unstable Crohn's, but I know it's also my new anxiety around eating altogether!
49 yr. old female, diagnosed with Crohn's in small intestine and terminal ileum Sept-Oct. 2007
currently taking Pentasa 2750 mg- 9pills/day and on and off Prednisone for flares

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