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NightWish
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   Posted 9/26/2008 10:44 PM (GMT -7)   
Kitt and Karen mentioned in response to one of my first posts that meditation can help overcome depression. I would like to know a little more about what people have experienced when they meditate. Is it something you do to just relax and fall asleep, or is it something that helps you work out problems in your life and help you gain an entirely new perspective on the world? What helps you become better able to deal with challenges and bad things that are out of your control?

I've mentioned this before, but when bad things happen I get very upset and blame myself a lot. I'm a perfectionist by nature, but deep down I wish I could be the kind of person who just laughs things off and responds to the world with humor. But to do this, I think I need a different perspective on life. I am even considering hypnotherapy. But can meditation help me get there? Or maybe just some comments about what helps you will help me.

Thanks :-)

NW

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   Posted 9/26/2008 11:05 PM (GMT -7)   
Heej NW,

Yes, meditation can do that. I used, well not particularly meditation, but Eastern wisdom to overcome my depression. It taught me things I never figured out myself, and made me smile upon the world again. I just finished another book, this one about Zen, and yet again it contains a great deal of practical information to get me on the move again.

Meditation is in the end nothing more than to free your body from the "mind", the endless tidal wave of thoughts, worries, and (negative) emotions that always seem to be there. For me, it was quite obvious that I always had that "little man" in my head. Meditation is to free your body and spirit from the "mind", and with that all negativity, since that is mind-related. So in fact, while meditating you will experience no negativity, only extreme joy and calmness, like being in love with the whole Universe again.

I can give you a lot more info on this subject, so feel free to ask. Right now, I have to hurry to be in time for my last athletics match.

All the best NW!
Erik
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   Posted 9/27/2008 2:35 AM (GMT -7)   

Good Morning,

Meditation works well for many.  People use many techniques and as Erik said it is your way of  letting go of the worries and allowing your self to be you.

I have seen it recomended to meditate first thing in the morning, make sure you have the time, space and no noise interference.

A good 15 minutes should be dedicated at least once a day and may be increased to twice a day.

I have an example I will try to dig up and post for you tommorow.

Remember to Stay in the Moment, let go of the constant worrying just be in the moment and leave the past behind.  The future will be here soon so don't worry about the wat if's.

Hugs
Kitt


 

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   Posted 9/27/2008 3:36 AM (GMT -7)   
Hiya,

Meditation is a form of relaxation and it helps by clearing your mind so that you can focus on things more clearly as Depression often "fogs up" the mind. Different people experience different things when they meditate so its difficult to say what will happen. I use meditation in a more religious sense if thats the right word so my experiences will be different again.

Give it a go and see what happens.

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NightWish
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   Posted 9/27/2008 10:45 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks for the responses, all. I tried it this morning for about 10 minutes and I do think it helped. Maybe next time I can stay in it a little longer! I'll look forward to that additional info, Kitt.

Erik, I'm curious to know what an athletics match is! Hope you won! And yes, anything you would like to add on the meditation subject when you have time would be helpful.

I am both religious and spiritual, Darren, so I am open to both forms. I'll remember that my experiences might be different from those of others. Thanks.

NW

enWayen
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   Posted 9/28/2008 2:58 AM (GMT -7)   
Heej NW!

The athletics match I had yesterday was 4 x 100 relay, the Dutch championship. We ended up fifth, but with a crippled team, since our first runner was injured. We could have won otherwise, but we did all we could, so I am happy with the result.

But about meditating, Darren said it already, it differs from person to person, and the only person I can speak for is me. Too me, the meditation is only a part of my "Eastern road" towards getting better. Just as important, or maybe even more, are the views towards life shared by many Eastern religions, especially Buddhism. So I will tell something about that first.

The main concept I believe in is to simply be happy in order to live happy. Of course, that ain't as easy as it sounds. But there are several things to help you achieve a way more positive view on the world. First of all, all negativity is time-bound. On this very moment, all negativity you'll experience comes from thinking about the future or the past. If you could shut down those thoughts, and totally accept the current moment, there would be no negativity. This is one thing you can practice by meditating, since meditation is all about clearing the mind from thoughts. So when I meditate, I just try to catch any upcoming thoughts, only to see them floating away on a cloud, or washed away by rain in order to get them gone in a non-resistant way.

In fact, all Buddhism is based around being in the Now, and thus have no judgement, no resistance, and no attachment towards anything. This might sound weird, but for instance non-attachment doesn't mean that you can't love someone, but that you will totally accept that person and what he or she will do, or what will happen. Sometimes when I am experiencing what they call "Satori", a moment of total peace, I just walk around in absolute wonder about all things, like I am in love with life itself. I think that is what enlightenment is, total acceptance towards everything.

And the ways to achieve enlightenment (since that is the state of Being I like to be in the most) are for example meditating. Getting rid of the thoughts in your head can get you to see things in a new perspective, as you are reborn in a perfect world. And you are, since this current moment is the only moment you will ever experience, unless you can be in two times zones at the same time :-). Cherishing this moment as the one that will be for the most benefit to you can get a smile on your face, always. I can get in a bit more detail about this subject if you want, but to explain it will take a considerable amount of text :-) (but I am happy to write it down for you!).

Last, but not least, I can tell you how I am meditating. I don't have a standard time, place, or position to meditate in. Sometimes I will meditate for half an hour, sometimes for two minutes. I can do it with eyes open or closed, in a chair, on the floor, at home, at college, even in some degree on my bike when I am riding towards school. All I try to do at such moments is to stop the constant flow of thought that will be there whenever I am not aware of it. So in fact, I am trying to be aware of the thoughts, as some sort of silent "Watcher".
After I spotted the thoughts, some will stop instantly, others will remain. For those that lasts, I try to visualize them on a cloud, or in a river that slowly washes them away. I do that with every thought that I find popping up, but without blaming myself for having those thoughts.

To summarize it a bit, meditating for me is a way to stay or become Present (to live in this moment), to see the world in a new perspective of total acceptance (and thus receiving total acceptance from the world), and just for the new energy it always seems to awaken inside me.

NightWish, if anything is unclear, or there are things you'd like to know more about, feel free to ask whatever you want. If you like to know more about meditation and the philosophies of Zen I can recommend you to read a happy little book called "Zen, and the art of happiness". The ways of thinking described in that book can change your view towards the world, help you to see it in a brighter, more loving way. And you can also ask me.

Ow, one thing I would like to add, since I think it is important. With some people, meditating can bring out thoughts that will shock them, like getting out your demons. If you ever experience something like that, or if you are afraid that will happen to you, I strongly advise you to seek a meditation group near you, and meditate together with an experienced teacher. I don't want to scare you with this, since a lot of people will be fine on their own, but just to make you aware of the fact that it can happen.

All the best NW!!
Erik
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   Posted 9/28/2008 1:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Nightwish,

You sure have gotten a lot of good advice from everybody. I just wanted to add that I noticed you asked something about going to sleep. If you lay down when you meditate, you will most likely go to sleep. So if you ever have a night when you can't sleep, try the meditation while lying in bed. It always works for me.

My technique requires relaxing all of the muscles from head to toe. I practice that after I relax with breathing and repeating a mantra. It usually takes about twenty minutes all together. But as Erik says you can meditate from as little as a few minutes to an hour. It all depends on what you have time for and what you feel you need. And also like Erik says, you can do this any time of the day that you would like and anywhere that you would like.

You will find that it encorperates itself with your daily living. You can use this in a five minute time limit just to relax yourself at work if you have to. And it really helps in a situation of anxiety. So it is a very useful tool. Also trying and practicing is doing it. So you are already successfully accomplishing the technique. It is a gift that we give to ourselves, and it is our own. There is no wrong way to meditate, you should do whatever feels comfortable for you.

One more thing, when we meditate, we focus a lot on breathing. That is a constant in our lives, we always breathe. It is somethng that is natural and consistant. When you do that, you automatically stop thinking about other things. So that is a little trick to freeing up your mind. And don't worry about forgetting the things that are constantly on your mind, meditation keeps your mind sharp. Giving yourself that break, or freedom of free thinking, actually helps you to think clearer and more organized.

Good luck, keep us posted as to how you are doing. I think that you will enjoy practicing meditation. And if you have any questions, feel free to ask any of us.

Hugs,
Karen...
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NightWish
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   Posted 9/28/2008 9:15 PM (GMT -7)   
I appreciate the additional tips, you guys. What's funny is that when I tried meditating yesterday, a rainstorm entered my mind without my even intentionally trying to think about one. But it was just as Erik said, one that washed away my worries and tension. Interesting.

I'm glad the relay went as well as it could have, Erik. I ran track in high school so I can definitely relate to the sense of accomplishment you get from running a race.

I need to always have trouble falling asleep so I'll be sure to try it then, Karen.

I'll also look for the book Erik mentioned and let you all know if I have any questions. Thanks!

NW

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   Posted 9/29/2008 2:20 PM (GMT -7)   
 
Wowser, You got great response with this question.  Here is my meditation guidelines.
 

Choose a quiet spot where you will not be disturbed by other people or by the telephone.

Sit quietly in a comfortable position. Eliminate distractions and interruptions during the period you'll be meditating.

Commit yourself to a specific length of time and try to stick to it.

Pick a focus word or short phrase that's firmly rooted in your personal belief system. A non-religious person might choose a neutral word like one, peace, or love. Others might use the opening words of a favorite prayer from their religion such as 'Hail Mary full of Grace', "I surrender all to you", "Hallelujah", "Om", etc.

Close your eyes. This makes it easy to concentrate.

Relax your muscles sequentially from head to feet. This helps to break the connection between stressful thoughts and a tense body.

Starting with your forehead, become aware of tension as you breathe in. Let go of any obvious tension as you breathe out. Go through the rest of your body in this way, proceeding down through your eyes, jaws, neck, shoulders, arms, hands, chest, upper back, middle back and midriff, lower back, belly, pelvis, buttocks, thighs, calves, and feet.

Breathe slowly and naturally, repeating your focus word or phrase silently as you exhale.

Assume a passive attitude. Don't worry about how well you're doing. When other thoughts come to mind, simply say, "Oh, well," and gently return to the repetition.

Continue for 10 to 20 minutes. You may open your eyes to check the time, but do not use an alarm.

After you finish: Sit quietly for a minute or so, at first with your eyes closed and later with your eyes open. Do not stand for one or two minutes.

Plan for a session once or twice a day.

I hope this helps.  Sorry it took me so long to get this posted.

I am now bck home so I can get back on track with posting. :-)

Bless you
Kitt


 

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