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cookies18
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   Posted 12/25/2008 9:50 PM (GMT -7)   
I have always been an aethist, I believe in science even though I have grown up in a catholic house..
 
 
I wish I could be religious! Sometimes I just feel so depressed though when I think about death and how we will never be here again and I get panic, but I'm not religious so I don't have anything to tell myself besides everything happens for a reason and there is a reason we are all here.
 
Idk does anyone have any thoughts?

Mazfire
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   Posted 12/26/2008 1:25 AM (GMT -7)   

For me personally, my belief in God and faith in Him is a great comfort. I know this is not a forum for religious debate, and im not trying to convert you to a new belief system, its just that in my case, my spiritual faith keeps me going when the going gets rough. I hope you can find the peace you are looking for.

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manyembers
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   Posted 12/26/2008 3:21 AM (GMT -7)   

 

  Hi cookies,

  I think the fact that you are asking this question is a healthy sign and shows your heart is reaching for a deeper meaning that we all need in life.  I know you don't believe in God, as you said so and I understand that faith isn't something we can not force ourselves to have.  But yes, I do have a suggestion.  Just put this request out there:  "God if You are real, then show me who You are..."    If there is a place in your heart from which to just put that question 'out there' I believe you'll get an answer.  

  My dad was catholic, my mom was lutheran.  So I always had a church background.  However, I didn't know God cared about me in a personal way through what I learned in church. And the religion I grew up around wasn't enough to ease my fears or depression either.  I needed a God who would make a tangible difference in my life.  After a year and a half of looking into many belief systems and much searching, I had a very simple but powerful encounter sensing His presence while praying with a believing friend.  That day changed everything, and the depths to which I had known depression now were the depths to which I knew joy.  It was the same God I'd heard about in church, but now what I'd heard became real and alive to me.

  What worked for me was asking God to reveal Himself because my logical and questioning mind couldn't just accept the things I'd been taught in Sunday school without knowing in my heart of hearts what was true.  I had struggled up to that point to be able to believe, or as you worded it, be religious, but I knew that I knew when I had that encounter that I'd foudn the real thing. You said you wish you could be religious.  Maybe, even if you don't really feel religious, you could do an experiment and just do another prayer like "God, if You are there, then remove these blocks that keep me from believing in You."   Even if you are not sure He's even real, He will answer your hearts cry and any small movement toward Him, He will respond to with a leap.  So if you can't find Him, ask Him to find you.  :0)   Like I shared, it took me a year and a half of wanting to believe but struggling to, but finally the answer I needed came and since that time my sense of peace in life has been awesome, even if at times depression comes and goes. 

  Belief systems very much effect how we feel because they effect how we see the world, ourselves, others etc. and thoughts directly effect emotions.  Sometimes it just takes some help from above to reach that place of having our beliefs aligned with what we 'want' to believe but struggle to know is real which is why I say ask God, the true GOd, whoever He may be, to find you.  Put the burden on HIS shoulders and just wait for the answer to come.  yeah    And be patient, kay?  BUt also be expectant.

  I hope something I shared here might help.  Don't give up.  There IS peace for you. :0) 

  Take care, manyembers 

 

 


Post Edited (manyembers) : 12/26/2008 3:25:32 AM (GMT-7)


Celey
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   Posted 12/26/2008 8:36 PM (GMT -7)   
I used to be an atheist (I converted when I did just exactly as manyembers did... but I had done this on my own. That is to say, nobody had recommended for me to do such a thing)... Anyway, I became more depressed shortly after I converted because of so many new questions I was faced with (and am still trying to sort out now)...

Anyway, as an atheist, I sorted out a lot of spiritual questions after some work and became quite content afterwards...

For me, there was no need to panic about death. Because as an atheist, I started with the idea that nobody knows what happens after death, and that I should not be concerned with something I didn't know and simply enjoy the life I have. I looked around me.... saw all the life brimming about... The trees, the birds... Everything. It was all very beautiful. And I appreciated it...

I had no real reason to convert to Christianity, as I said I was quite content... but... I felt as though my spiritual growth had stagnated... I could not think of anymore questions... I felt alone because everybody around me was Christian... I felt as if perhaps I hadn't given Christianity a fair chance...
I think I am being picked on by life, sometimes. But's that okay. Life and I are good buddies... I know life doesn't mean no harm. It just is the way it is. I can accept that.


stkitt
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   Posted 12/26/2008 9:24 PM (GMT -7)   

cookie,

I hope you find the answer you are looking for, keep an openmind.  Believing that gods do not (or cannot) exist is known as "strong atheism." I do not think that describes you.  You are looking for something to believe in.

You will find each other.

Respectfully

Kitt


 

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enWayen
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   Posted 12/27/2008 2:01 AM (GMT -7)   
Heej cookies!

Same here! Though I didn't grow up in a religious house. Are you sure are atheistic? I think you are rather agnostic.

Agnosticism (Greek: α- a-, without + γνώσις gnōsis, knowledge; after Gnosticism) is the philosophical view that the truth value of certain claims — particularly metaphysical claims regarding theology, afterlife or the existence of deities, ghosts, or even ultimate reality — is unknown or, depending on the form of agnosticism, inherently impossible to prove or disprove. It is often put forth as a middle ground between theism and atheism.

Science can't prove a God to be not real, not until we know everything (which will never happen). So I guess the scientific attitude towards religion is an agnostic one.

However, there actually is a religion that Einstein himself reckoned to be the religion of science. It is called Buddhism. Buddhism is one of the few, if not the only religion that doesn't have a God or supreme ruler. Instead, it uses rational (scientific) arguments for its method. And yea, as a scientist myself, they make sense. There is a very famous Buddhist book called the Tibetan Book of the Dead. I haven't read it, but as I do know something from Buddhism, it's main line could be "How can you fully live when you are afraid of dying?". By which they mean, if you live in a constant fear of death, than you won't appreciate life fully. Only when you lose your fear of death and dying you can see the true beauty of this earth in its full glory.

I hope this somewhat helps you cookie. If so, there is are a lot of things I could and gladly would like to share with you!

Take care!
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Confusedli
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   Posted 12/28/2008 11:22 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi cookie,

I am agnostic, I don't believe in God or organised man made religion, but I do believe there is something - maybe like more of a mother nature type entity, I don't know though. It does contribute to my depression at times I think and when I see people around me drawing comfort from their religion I feel jelous that they have some comfort, but at the same time greater comfort is drawn from the real world from freinds and family, from nature and the earth.
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Callie T
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   Posted 1/6/2009 9:17 AM (GMT -7)   
Oh, my goodness.  I love this post and want to share something very powerful with you guys.
 
I grew up with a religious background, but about ten years ago, I began to no longer believe in religion and swayed toward science.  I knew I, too, could be a much happier person if I had faith to lean on.  Since my depression began to worsen and I began to think about dying, I also became obsessed with knowing what truly happens to us after we die.  Are we reborn, do we really go to heaven, or are we simply nonexistent for all eternity?  And then it happened...
 
I would like to ask if any of you have ever had an out-of-body experience?  One night, I had what I believed might have been an an OOBE (for short), so I began to do a lot of research on the subject.  I also began practicing techniques that would allow me to induce an OOBE.  Whenever I am in the state of sleep paralysis, I can now make my spirit leave my body and travel around.  At first, I usually just flew around my apartment and eventually worked up the nerve to travel further. 
 
In the beginning, while I was having an OOBE on time, I traveled into my son's room to see what he was doing.  I watched as he sat on the computer watching videos from YouTube.  Later, after my spirit returned to my body and I awoke, I went into my son's room and asked him if he had been watching wrestling videos on YouTube.  He looked at me strangely and said no, that he had been watching UFC videos on YouTube.  I then explained to him about my ethereal visit and he believed me.  And when he told me he had been watching UFC videos, I knew I had not dreamed the experience and that this phenomenom really does occur.  You see, when I asked him about watching wrestling, he was being specific, thinking I meant WWE.  UFC stands for Ultimate Fighting Championship.  It's basically the same thing.  All I seen was two guys in a ring and simply called it wrestling because both are basically the same thing to me.  How could I have predicted what my son had been doing in the privacy of his own room?
 
And then there was another incident that further cemented my belief that OOBEs are truly real and not part of lucid dreaming or hallucinations while in the hypnagogue state.  I had been lying on my bed one Friday evening watching TV when I became really drowsy and nodded off to sleep.  While in sleep paralysis, I truly believed I was aware of my surroundings and exactly what was going on around me.  I was aware that my son and his friend had arrived home and that my son climbed the stairs and closed my bedroom door so as not to disturb me.  Afterwards, I was aware that he and his friend went into his room, turned on the light, and shut the door and turned on the computer.  As soon as my son closed my door, I had this floating sensation and felt my spirit self leave my physical self.  As I floated upward, I then decided I would fly into his room and watch as he and his friend sat on the computer.  But as I flew through my darkened room, out into the darken hallway, and then into his room, I was amazed that his room was pitch black.  Neither the bedroom light or the computer had been turned on and his room was empty.  I was disheartened by this and flew out of his room and back into the darken hallway.  I was going to fly down the stairs to the living room but it was so dark down there that I decided to go back to my room and return to my physical self.  And when I awoke, I was amazed by what I discovered.
 
As soon as I awoke, I raised from the bed and realized that my son had not come home after all.  My bedroom door was still open and my room and the hallway were pitch black.  When I rose from the bed and headed into his room, I discovered that his room was empty and that it was, indeed, pitch black.  I realized that while I was in the state of sleep paralysis, I had hallucinated that my son had come home, shut my door, etc.  People often hallucinate while in the sleep paralysis state.  But when my spirit had left my body, I did not hallucinate but rather seen things as they actually were.  If it had been a dream, I would have dreamt that my son and his friend were in his room on the computer.  Rather, I seen the room as it actually was.  I did not hallucinate while having an OOBE.  I saw his room exactly as it was because my spirit was able to travel in there and see the actual situation because it had not been a hallucination or a dream but the real thing.
 
I finally managed to travel outside my apartment one time and ended up at my post office two blocks away.  I have also traveled around my apartment building.  Once, I traveled out of my room and downstairs to find my cat and scare him.  I saw him gazing out the sliding glass door.  He sat there with the curtain back a little so he could peer out, allowing the sunshine to come pouring in.  It was so bright that it almost blinded me.  This was around 3 in the afternoon when the sun was at its brightest.  I  flew over to the right side of him and peered down at him and said his name aloud.  He looked up at me and took off running upstairs, obviously frightened.  When I awoke later, I found him lying on my son's bed upstairs.     
 
And just recently, I was finally able to have what is known as an astral projection.  When my spirit left my body and traveled upward, I finally saw the silver cord that some people mention seeing during an astral projection.  This cord keeps the spiritual self from separating from the physical self---except in the case of death.  That's when the cord detaches itself so our soul can leave our bodies.  Anyway, I flew up and came face to face with my ceiling and then passed through my ceiling as I continued flying upwards.  I was up in the sky and traveled up to the stars.  I then flew pass the stars and into an astral plane.  It was very dark and I became scared and made myself go back down to my body.  When your spirit flies back down out of the sky, it feels like you are free falling backwards out of the sky.  It seemed as if I had been free falling for quite some time, which meant that my spirit had flown really, really high into the sky and away from my body. 
 
Another time while sleeping, I found myself up in that astral plane surrounded by darkness.  I remember calling out to my deceased mother.  My mother then appeared out of the darkness and into a light.  She looked exactly how she looked the year she had died.  I can even remember the clothes she was wearing.  She smiled at me, and she had this calm, peaceful look on here face.  I became overwhelmed with emotion and my voice quivered as I said very loudly to her, "I love you and miss you so much."  The next thing I knew, I was off somewhere else watching these two couples interact with each other.  It was as if I had traveled to another plane, one that took me back in time.  The two couples were wearing clothing and hairstyles from the 70s.  Their surroundings looked like something from the 70s.  If I remember correctly, I believe they were playing a board game and possibly drinking.  That was just really weird.  After that, I just woke up.  When I did wake up, I just knew I had not dreamed about my mother, but that I actually got to visit her spirit.  It was really weird. 
 
And here's another thing that really blew my mind.  My ex-boyfriend and I have stayed friends even though we have been split up for about five years and he comes over sometimes and visits me and and my son.  Well, one night he said to me, "You're going to think I'm lying to you about this but..." and then he began to tell me that he, too, had been having OOBEs!!  It was such an amazing but freaky coincidence that he and I both began having OOBEs and I admitted to him that I had been too.  Now, my ex has never owned a computer (he's old school) but the experiences he was telling me that he was having with his OOBEs coincided with the experiences with OOBEs that I've read from others on different forums.  That's when I knew he was telling the truth.  He has never been on a computer in his life so he could not just be repeating what has been written on forums and passing them off as his own.  Also, his OOBEs or astral projections are much more in depth than anything that I've ever experienced.  He said he has actually traveled back in time and actually watched as he witnessed him and his brother at some rock concert that they had attended in 1975.  He has also seen and interacted with other spirits.  He even believes he may have brought a spirit back with him.
 
Neither me or my ex could figure out why he could leave his body so easily and travel all throughout the spiritual realms as well as crossing over through space and time.  And then it occurred to me:  he has had a couple of real serious car accidents that have resulted in near-death experiences.  The fact that his spirit had already been detached from his body from the accidents and had been returned was what allowed him to do this so freely.  
 
My ex also explained to me that once you die, you can either choose to remain in the spiritual realm or return to earth through rebirth.  I believe this and I'll tell you why: Are any of you familiar with the case of Edgar Cayce?  He was just a simple, illiterate man from Kentucky.  However, it was discovered that while in a trance, Cayce could diagnose and cure illnesses and also make predictions about the past and future.  It has been recorded and archived that Cayce made over 14,000 accurate predictions, including the 1929 stock market crash and World War II.  But as soon as Cayce awoke from the trance, he had no memory of anything he said.  People started coming to him and seeking him out for readings.  And he did so without ever charging anyone a single dime.  He said he felt that he should use his extraordinary gift to help people rather than for financial gain.
 
While in a trance, someone asked Cayce how he was able to foresee past and future events.  He replied that his subconcious mind was able to travel beyond the astral planes and tap in to the Akashic records.  These records are described to contain all knowledge of human experience and history of the cosmos.  Sort of like a cosmic library or universal computer.  He said that he could see all events, both past and future, that had taken place or will take place.  Also, these records can be accessed through astral projections!  Many believe that this is also where psychics and clairvoyants get their abilities.  Cayce also went on to say that each person after life will be confronted with their own personal Akashic records and will have to account for their earthly deeds in a karmic sense.  What a person has done in their previous life determines their next life.  He says that individuals go through a cycle of rebirths, the previous life determining the next life.
 
I know all this sounds crazy and hard to swallow.  As I have stated previously, I am a firm believer in science.  However, there are some things that science just cannot explain.  I'm sure most of us who believe in ghosts, spirits, and psychic abilities will have to agree that a spiritual world must truly exists.  I have experienced it firsthand.  And how can science explain how Edgar Cayce was capable of making 14,000 accurate predictions?  Coincidence?  Pure luck?  I think not---not over 14,000 times!                 
 
           
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