more thoughts on female depression

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   Posted 10/27/2004 9:16 AM (GMT -6)   
Longterm anxiety seems to begin with a lot of women in adolescence. I read an article a few months ago which stated that girls were actually more confident than boys until this time, then the hopes and aspirations they had up to that point tend to be displaced by a new found need to be attractive to the opposite sex.
In the western world a skinny female form is idealised. In Africa, say, a very large one can be. The common thread seems to be that women become much more susceptible to whichever idea of female attractiveness predominates in their own community.
Isn't is amazing that so many women effectively undergo a change in character at puberty? Slowburning fat accumulates around the hips and thighs and all in a sudden, girls seem to forsake their principles of self-determination.
Have been reading radical feminist authors from the 60's recently. They suggest the subordination of women begins with the onset of the female body. Any thoughts?

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   Posted 10/28/2004 11:47 AM (GMT -6)   
doh. noone replied to my thread.

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   Posted 10/28/2004 2:45 PM (GMT -6)   
I guess honestly I don't know what to say or how to respond to your post Jae? I don't really understand what you are trying to say. (maybe it's just me??) Are you saying that because of society and how we live affects women and how we feel about our bodies? Good and bad? And if bad, then we get anxiety...

I have a normal selfesteem. I don't believe in my case my looks, body or figure had anything to do with where I am now. I think my life experiences, my job, my mental state of dealing with crap just came to a halt and said ENOUGH! Stop and fix yourself! SO that is what I am currently doing. Before I got help the anxiety DID change me, made me feel less of a human, less productive and a happy working part of society. But I didn't feel like because of my body size played into this. I did internalize things that adds to make one feel not good about themselves. But as I said I am on the mend slowly....

Okay, how's that?? LOL.


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   Posted 10/28/2004 10:06 PM (GMT -6)   
Sorry I didn't reply earlier Jae, my brain wasn't working too well at that point.
Well personally I would say that the subordination of women often begins with the onset of the male body ! tongue LOL
  nono Let's face it, though some guys are supportive, we live in a male dominated world where women aren't paid as well as men are, given as many opportunities, given as much leeway for error, or recognised properly for their achievements. Expectations and rewards are very differently distributed between the sexes.
Having said that, from a neurologist's point of view, or the perspective of physiology, women's brains can almost be regarded as "Human, Mark 2". They are more plastic (that is, adapt more easily and frequently), more able to analyse abstract notions, more able to communicate, more emotionally responsive...and all this, very much as a result of the wonder neurohormone that is oestrogen. yeah If men's brains are clunky old pick-ups, women's are more like racing cars.
And therein lies the problem. From all the reading I've done, I'd be inclined to say that women's brains, with their far superior versatility and biochemical "responsiveness", have as well a greater vulnerability to all the ills of the flesh. (It's harder to dance on a tight rope without falling off, than it is to just walk it.)
This conclusion is particularly hard to avoid when you look at the massive imbalance of percentages as regards sex, where many mental illnesses are concerned. Generally, women are in the majority, often by a long way.
(Of course a cynic might say that this is because what seen as crazy in a woman is just "boys will be boys" for men...)
There's no doubt about it in my mind, the social and environmental cues that men can so often blithely ignore or fail to even notice, that can erode self-confidence and bring despair to a more sensitive person, are more often picked up on by women. And where men generally compete non-stop almost as a matter of course, for women it is usually much more stressful, co-operation being a preferred option. So where sexual competition is concerned, body shape and self-esteem are much more closely linked than in males, and women tend to be "relative-evaluators"; their attitudes reflect those of the people around them.
So what to a man is a throwaway comment to be ignored, "Oh you'll never manage !" can be to a woman, a confidence-shattering indictment.
But then what would I know ? I'm a man !  yeah
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