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april417
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   Posted 11/16/2009 1:24 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi all:
            Just wondering if anyone has good idea's to help you fall asleep.  It's been 6 days and only have had about 10 hours of sleep............ I have tried over counter sleeping pills, ambien, ambien cr, trazondone and seroqueol.
Any idea's would be much appreiceted.
 
Thanks
April
 
HOPE, FAITH AND LOVE
 
 
          Total Coletomy Feb. 07
            Total Hysterectomy Oct 08  
        
         Currently taking: Synthroid, Cymbalta 60mg, Lyrica & Prilosec OTC


Naps With Cats
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   Posted 11/16/2009 7:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Geez, that's got to be totally rough!!
 
I take Klonapin and Trazodone to sleep and throw in a big, fat Evening Primrose (I had to stop taking them during the day because I was sleeping all day).
 
Another helpful thing is "white noise" or one of those sound machines (you can get just the sound or a clock that has the sound buttons.  I highly recommend the ones where the buttons stick up because the flat buttons (which are newer and more expensive) and you hit the wrong buttons all the time (especially if using as a clock, too).  But it has about 8 different sounds.  I used to listen to "Spring Rain" until I became incontinent (lol), so now I listen to "Rainforest".  I actually leave it on all day and night.  Even though I've stopped doing it as i can't seem to breathe in the situation I'm in right now (I've been told by doctors I exhale more than I inhale - very stressed and now in a really truly bad situation), but breathing in through your nose a very deep breath, counting to 5 while breathing in, and letting the air go all the way to your lower back, pause (and say "pause" silently), then count out 8 while breathing out your mouth.  This really relaxes your muscles and stuff.  I read a book about mindful meditation.  (I'm no new-ager, believe me), but it was just factual about the importance of breathing.
 
I'm so sorry to hear you're not being able to sleep.  You know, my pop (God rest his beloved soul) always told me that if you can't sleep (he learned this in the Army, WWII), that if you just lay your body down and breathe and your body is relaxing (through the breathing), it's the same thing as sleep.  Whether this is true or not, he told me when I was young enough to believe it when I have bad nights of sleep (except when cats are crawling all over me making it IMPOSSIBLE for me to sleep).
 
I wish you ALL the needed sleep you are truly needing right now.  In the interim, lay down, relax and just breathe.  The counting while you're breathing takes away the "outside thoughts" that run through the mind.  If they come to bother you in your resting, acknowledge and let it pass and continue with your breathing.  You get better and better at this if you keep it up.
 
I'm not doing to well practicing it right now being in a tumultuous situation.
 
Sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.............
Sleeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep.............
 
Julie O'

Becky77
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   Posted 11/16/2009 8:19 PM (GMT -7)   
Julie

I'm glad you responded, and you seem to have some good things to try. I think a lot of us here suffer from insomnia, whether constant or intermittent, it is frustrating. I listen to the radio as I go to sleep (I always have, since I was a baby) and I've though about trying the sound machines....good to know that some find it helpful. Maybe it would be good while studying to create background noise that's not distracting like tv or radio.

I've never thought of laying down and letting my body relax and recharge...if I can't fall asleep I get frustrated and probably cause myself more stress-next time I'll just lay and try to let my body relax whether or not I fall asleep.

April-I hope you find a way to get more sleep soon! **sending some zzzzzz's your way**!!!
Becky

31 yr old female-dx with Crohn's in '97 after emergency resection and appendectomy, 2nd resection '05, Bilateral pulmonary emboli 10/09
Currently on Humira, Omeprazole, Effexor, Seroquel, Calcium, Vit D, sublingual B12, Coumadin


Naps With Cats
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   Posted 11/16/2009 8:25 PM (GMT -7)   
I hope the relaxing does help.  My Pop would be proud (from Heaven!)  :o)  That would be beautiful for him to receive acknowledgement that something he said helped someone. 
 
I just took my meds.  Being super sensitive to the energy of others and the landlady just came home - I can totally feel her vibe and her husband gets off the radio and sould be home without about 10-20 minuts.  I want to be asleep or with all lights off.
 
I am sooooooo uncomfortable and stressed here.  I hope my cat, Chief Joseph, lays across my ear and purrs really loud - he does that almost every night (one eye'd Himmy) - now THAT is a perfect sound device to take away every distraction!  :o)
 
Sleep well all!!
 
Julie O'

getting by
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   Posted 11/16/2009 10:09 PM (GMT -7)   
I love the description of breathing and relaxing that you talked about Julie O'. I meditate and it is all about focusing on the breathing and clearing your mind. I think that has to do with part of the reason I am happy. I have learned to keep focused and not thinking about the things that bother me and stuff. Happy thoughts, I guess. And no dwelling. That can be so distracting. So thanks Julie O' for your post and all of you guys. I love the way that this forum is going. Everybody helping eachother. Just makes me feel so good. You are all wonderful!!!

I hope that everybody has a wonderful day. Well it is night actually, 12:09 here.

Take care all...

Hugs, Karen
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Mr. FL
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   Posted 11/16/2009 10:46 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi,

I've been spending a little time over in Anxiety where they also talk about having trouble sleeping. Some of us find it helpful to listen to music. I use earbuds; others use a pillow speaker. If you use an iPod or other MP3 player, you can pick the music you like so you know it will be relaxing. But before the days of ipods, I used to just listen to a radio. If you're lucky, you live in an area with some good stations.

Frank

april417
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   Posted 11/17/2009 6:22 AM (GMT -7)   

Thanks soooooooooo much everyone for your input.  My problem is that I try to relaxed and clear my mind of all the problems and it lasts for about 10 seconds then everything that I am stressed or depressed about pops back in my head.  I do use music and so far it's not working, I am going to go  out and buy a sound machince as Julie suggested.  I use to use one years ago when I lived in my first apartment because the people who lived downstairs were so loud at night and they snoored so loud you can hear it through the floor.

Thank you again hope you all have a good day.

 


April
 
HOPE, FAITH AND LOVE
 
 
          Total Coletomy Feb. 07
            Total Hysterectomy Oct 08  
        
         Currently taking: Synthroid, Cymbalta 60mg, Lyrica & Prilosec OTC


Naps With Cats
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   Posted 11/17/2009 10:09 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi April,
 
Hope I'm getting to you in time.  If you go to Drugstore .com, they have lots of stuff there, but if you look up "Homedics Sound" or "Homedics Radio" you will see a bunch come up.  I personally recommend the cheapest one, silver, no iPod thingy (I don't have an iPod anyways), but on th silver cheap one, the buttons stick up and I swear this makes a huge difference.
 
I DO gotta tell you guys, if you have or can adopt a cat that purrs a LOT and he lays over your ear, no other thoughts CAN enter, I swear!  LOL  It's true!
 
And remember, April, if those thoughts come every 10 seconds, just acknowledge they came, then get yourself back to the breathing/counting thing.  In time, the thoughts won't come and you will have complete control.
 
(I haven't been practicing what I preach lately, but it worked for me over time when I was using it during a horrific lawsuit that lasted 2 years).
 
Breeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeathe................................ ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
(I have it on my phone on the start-up part).
 
:o)
 
Julie O'

serafena
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   Posted 11/17/2009 10:38 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi April,

I have always just used a fan for white noise while I sleep, and my daughter does now too. That may not be enough white noise for you, but it's a cheap place to start.

serafena
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Naps With Cats
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   Posted 11/17/2009 11:20 AM (GMT -7)   
Yeah, if you're low on funds, definitely.  The whole term "white noise" I believe came from the fan which is one of the sounds on the sound machine.  The cheapie one I'm referring to is somehwere between $12.99 and $14.99, has a green clock (if you get the clock one) that you can dim, a great place for the snooze button so you don't the wrong button.
 
But yeah, try the fan first if you have one handy!
 
If you need more than one noise (like I do), the Homedics thing is really good and the sound is good (the cheapie sounds the same as the expensiv-ee.  (I bought the expensive one and had problems with the buttons, so, since I gave away my cheapie, I had to buy another).
 
I say whatever works for each individual for sure!  smurf
 
Julie O'

april417
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   Posted 11/17/2009 5:40 PM (GMT -7)   

I've been sleeping with a fan for 4yrs now and I think I need more than that to help me relax.  I saw my doctor today and she wants me to try reg. ambien again since I did have success with that 2yrs ago.  I'm not sure tonight is going to be a good one since I got a root canal done this morning.  I just started to feel pain within the last hours.

Hopefully tonight wont be too bad.  Wish me luck guys

 


April
 
HOPE, FAITH AND LOVE
 
 
          Total Coletomy Feb. 07
            Total Hysterectomy Oct 08  
        
         Currently taking: Synthroid, Cymbalta 60mg, Lyrica & Prilosec OTC


Becky77
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   Posted 11/17/2009 6:09 PM (GMT -7)   
Root canal--ouchie! I hope the pain doesn't get too bad. Do you have something to take for pain if it gets bad?

Julie
I have to thank you again. I slept like a baby last night (well, with crohn's I usually wake up a couple times to use the bathroom, but otherwise...) and I woke up feeling wonderful today. I have been very down lately, and just one night of wonderful sleep does wonders! As I laid down in bed, I was anxious, but I told myself that just laying there was helping my body, and within minutes I was fast asleep. I used your breathing suggestions and it worked so well!

April- I hope you find some solutions to your sleeping problems soon, and I'll continue to send zzzzz's your way!
Becky

31 yr old female-dx with Crohn's in '97 after emergency resection and appendectomy, 2nd resection '05, Bilateral pulmonary emboli 10/09
Currently on Humira, Omeprazole, Effexor, Seroquel, Calcium, Vit D, sublingual B12, Coumadin


Naps With Cats
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   Posted 11/17/2009 6:40 PM (GMT -7)   
Bar,
 
SO happy to hear that you got a well-deserved, and good night's rest!!  Awesome!!
 
I have Amygdala issues - I'm thinking it's disconnected completely from my hypothalmus.
 
April, if they didn't give you after-care pain meds for a root canal (I've had 4), then I would
call the dentist's emergency number and get a prescription filled, go to an all night pharmacy
and get out of that pain.  Man, nothing like teeth and gum pain!!  It seems to hurt more 'cause
it's so close to your brain, the place where you think so it's like it's right there in your brain.
(That didn't really make sense, but that's how I always think about tooth pain, or after-root-canal
pain).
 
April, definitely sayin' some prayers for you tonight - that you get a slumbering kind
of sleep tonight - the kind of deep sleep where even dreams can't reach; you're just
resting your entire being, mind, body, brain and soul.
 

smurf smurf smurf smurf smurf ,

 

Julie O'


Becky77
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   Posted 11/17/2009 6:54 PM (GMT -7)   
Julie- I meant to ask you also...how do you breathe with a cat on your head? Mine sleeps about knee level between my legs (on top of my covers), and sometimes I feel trapped under my covers...then again, I am SO claustrophobic so it explains that. I don't think I could sleep if Bella was on my head, and geez, she purrs so loud that next to my head I really don't think I could fall asleep. If she's down the bed further, I do agree that purring is so soothing!
Becky

31 yr old female-dx with Crohn's in '97 after emergency resection and appendectomy, 2nd resection '05, Bilateral pulmonary emboli 10/09
Currently on Humira, Omeprazole, Effexor, Seroquel, Calcium, Vit D, sublingual B12, Coumadin


Naps With Cats
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   Posted 11/17/2009 7:13 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Becky,
 
I also have anoter cat (Jules-Verne) who sleeps in the crook of my legs and another, Marilia at the side of me and Graciela who sleeps on the other side of Jules-Verne and my Radial Hypoplasa Cat, Tiny Dancer sleeps at the foot of my bed - talk about claustrophobic!  lol  I also have nighttime incontinence and a bad back, so it's really hard to get out of bed.
 
about Chief Joseph sleeping on my ear; ahhhhhhhhhh I just love the loud purr - if a firetruck were driving by I wouldn't here it.  He also nuzzles my nose and moves around to cuddle in different positions, often with his leg and paw hanging over my face.  I find it so very relaxing (as long as his long hair isn't going in and out of my nose with each breath!!!)  I definiely can't hear my sound machine when he's on my face and I DEFINITELY can't hear my landlords when they come home if Chief Joseph is laying over my ear.  Their energy is totally exacerbating my PTSD and bringing up suicidal thoughts again, but I can't leave my cats, but they are threatening eviction -I have 10 cats, 5 are special needs (I'm Red-Cross Certified in Dog/Cat first aid) and volunteered/fostered/adopt-a-pet-ed (until I realized how many cats I had!  LOL)
 
Anyways, I find the loud purr just what I, personally, need, sometimes there's a little "twirp" sound there.  I need it that loud so no other sounds get in.
Diagnoses:  PTSD (pretty major); Major Depression; Anxiety; Degenerative Arthritis (C-3 and Lower Lumbar) resulting in chronic pain; nerve damage; borderline diabetic (just found out)
 
Meds:  Lexapro 20mg/day, Klonapin 4mg/day, Trazodone 100mg/night
(Doesn't seem to be helping during my current situation)


Naps With Cats
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   Posted 11/17/2009 7:15 PM (GMT -7)   
Hey April,
 
Geez, I just realized this is your thread - how is your pain level now? 
I'll be thinking of you an send some of my cat, Chief Joseph's purrs
your way that will take everything out of your mind!! :-)
 
Julie O'
Diagnoses:  PTSD (pretty major); Major Depression; Anxiety; Degenerative Arthritis (C-3 and Lower Lumbar) resulting in chronic pain; nerve damage; borderline diabetic (just found out)
 
Meds:  Lexapro 20mg/day, Klonapin 4mg/day, Trazodone 100mg/night
(Doesn't seem to be helping during my current situation)


Becky77
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   Posted 11/17/2009 8:05 PM (GMT -7)   
Hopefully by now April is in Ambienland, sleeping peacefully!
Becky

31 yr old female-dx with Crohn's in '97 after emergency resection and appendectomy, 2nd resection '05, Bilateral pulmonary emboli 10/09
Currently on Humira, Omeprazole, Effexor, Seroquel, Calcium, Vit D, sublingual B12, Coumadin


april417
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   Posted 11/17/2009 8:10 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks everyone.......
 
Julie:  my pain level is about a 7-8 I have perocet to take, in fact I just took one.  I have a very high tolerance to pain meds.
 
I'm going to try to get some sleep wish me luck..................
 
Sweet Dreams Everyone
April
 
HOPE, FAITH AND LOVE
 
 
          Total Coletomy Feb. 07
            Total Hysterectomy Oct 08  
        
         Currently taking: Synthroid, Cymbalta 60mg, Lyrica & Prilosec OTC


Naps With Cats
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   Posted 11/17/2009 8:20 PM (GMT -7)   
Lullabye . . . and good-night . . . la la laaaaaaaaaaaaaa laaaaaaaaaa la laaaaaaa la
 
redface  zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
Diagnoses:  PTSD (pretty major); Major Depression; Anxiety; Degenerative Arthritis (C-3 and Lower Lumbar) resulting in chronic pain; nerve damage; borderline diabetic (just found out)
 
Meds:  Lexapro 20mg/day, Klonapin 4mg/day, Trazodone 100mg/night
(Doesn't seem to be helping during my current situation)


getting by
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   Posted 11/17/2009 11:08 PM (GMT -7)   
Sweet Dreams April,

Hugs, Karen

I am going to bed. It is after one here.
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april417
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   Posted 11/18/2009 6:56 AM (GMT -7)   

Well I did not have too bad of a night.  Took my ambien, put music on did some breathing exercises.......it took awhile to fall asleep but I finally feel asleep.  It didn't last though, woke up about 6x's but I was able to fall back to sleep.  So I guess that progress........

Hope you all sleep well last night and had some great dreamssssssssssss

Thank you again for all your advice


April
 
HOPE, FAITH AND LOVE
 
 
          Total Coletomy Feb. 07
            Total Hysterectomy Oct 08  
        
         Currently taking: Synthroid, Cymbalta 60mg, Lyrica & Prilosec OTC


Naps With Cats
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   Posted 11/18/2009 9:22 AM (GMT -7)   
April!
 
YAY!!!!!  Congratulations!!  Any progress is great progress!!!
 
Maybe now with practice of breathing it will work faster and faster over the next
little while!
 
Thanks for letting us know - I'm so glad you go SOME sleep!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
Julie O'  :-D
Diagnoses:  PTSD (pretty major); Major Depression; Anxiety; Degenerative Arthritis (C-3 and Lower Lumbar) resulting in chronic pain; nerve damage; borderline diabetic (just found out)
 
Meds:  Lexapro 20mg/day, Klonapin 4mg/day, Trazodone 100mg/night
(Doesn't seem to be helping during my current situation)


Hibee
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   Posted 11/18/2009 9:29 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi April

I have bad insomnia and have just started seroqueol so hopefully that will help, my problem is staying asleep. You have had some great advice from other members, I try and stick to a strict bed time routine to try and get myself ready for sleep. Hope things are working for you and your are getting some much needed sleep.

Take Care

Ben

Naps With Cats
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   Posted 11/18/2009 9:41 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Ben!
 
I've heard about that, too - sticking to a regular sleep-time schedule.
Great addition to this thread!!  Thanks!  (I need to remember that,
too!!)
 
Julie O'
Diagnoses:  PTSD (pretty major); Major Depression; Anxiety; Degenerative Arthritis (C-3 and Lower Lumbar) resulting in chronic pain; nerve damage; borderline diabetic (just found out)
 
Meds:  Lexapro 20mg/day, Klonapin 4mg/day, Trazodone 100mg/night
(Doesn't seem to be helping during my current situation)


Hibee
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   Posted 11/18/2009 10:36 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi

Yes, I find it does help to get to sleep. I goto bed at the same time every night and only get into bed when I feel im going to sleep and when I wake up during the night I get up and listen to my ipod until tired again and the get back into bed, My therapist told me you should only goto bed when you are ready to sleep otherwise your body/brain gets used to being awake in bed so you need to break that cycle. Insomnia is a nightmare as it really affects my mood/anxiety if I have had no sleep.

Ben
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