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Mike619er
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   Posted 12/14/2009 2:33 PM (GMT -7)   

Made the same post in Anxiety Forum too, posting on both cause I've been talking to different people in both forums

Ok just wanted to share a few things with you guys since you've been helping me out a lot recently.  I've been experiencing some things that are a little different from my first onset of severe anxiety that hit me about 2 months ago.  Here's what's been going on as of late.

 
The tension "pressure" headache has calmed down, but seem to have this weird tingling sensation in the same area instead.  (top of head, back of head, neck)
 
Haven't had a full on body trembling episode in about a month, but my hands and my feet still shake pretty often.
 
The forgetfullness is getting better, atleast at work anyway.  Am able to remember and atleast do my job.
 
 
Things that haven't improved
 
Body tingling
Chills/Hot flashes (weird cuz Im a guy)
Ear spasms
Stiff/strained neck
heart pounding (not racing, I feel it pounding when I have a bad anxiety attack.  Wouldn't say it beats faster, I just feel it pounding loudly.  I know that sounds weird)
Extreme self-consciousness (Which I've had all my life but seems to have worsened lately)
Itching
Sleep (waking every hour even on ambien)
 
 
Anyways, aside from the things that I have yet to improve on....are the first couple of things good signs?  Am really unsure if the tingling is better or worse then the pressure.  Especially feel it strongly tingling when I sneeze, and for a good 15-30 seconds afterwards too.  Really strange stuff, and also I've been getting really dizzy if I stand up after sitting for too long lately.  Thinking that could be a medication side effect though, didn't have that problem before the meds.

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   Posted 12/14/2009 5:21 PM (GMT -7)   
How is your blood pressure?  Do you have it checked regularly?  It almost sounds like you might have high blood pressure.  I would keep an eye on it if I were you.  Do you go to the doc regularly?  Have you discussed any of this with him/her?
 
It sounds like you really do have some improvements going on.  That is good.  We have to take things one day at a time and hope for the best I think.  Each day usually gets a little easier.  Though this is the holidays and it can become overwhelming at times.  This year I got all my shopping and wrapping done ahead of time.  I am glad.  Have one Christmas party to go to.   For work.  I am not much of a socializer but they want me there.  I offered to work that night.  But didn't get away with it, yet...  I am going to make baked beans for the party.  I have to start them early that morning.  Wish me luck... lol...
 
I hope that you continue to feel better.  I know that you have a lot of things to be concerned with, but it seems that you have them pretty much under control.
 
Best wishes for a wonderful evening.
 
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   Posted 12/14/2009 5:35 PM (GMT -7)   
I think most of those issues can be caused by sleep deprivation. So many physical issues are regulated & healed while we sleep. It really is a vital function.

Maybe ask your doctor.

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   Posted 12/14/2009 6:10 PM (GMT -7)   
yeah, esp the dizziness, you maybe getting bilius. light headed, dizzy/faintness/weakness. me sleep deprived 2. i miss a lot when this happens, esp my spelling!! when we sleep our bodies are being repaired. jamie, good 2 hear about some improvements. keep positive, cheers.
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   Posted 12/14/2009 7:05 PM (GMT -7)   
I feel like I'm getting a better grasp on whatever it is that is going on at times, have my occasional bad moments but they seem to be less frequent lately.
 
I always prided myself on being a pretty smart guy, and always needed answers to everything.  Especially when it came to my health.  Thats why this is so frustrating for me, because it makes no sense.  If all of these symptoms are depression and anxiety, and my physical symptoms are all symptoms of sleep deprivation, well then why is it I can't sleep on this medication?  Really makes zero sense to me at all, all I know is I've definetly been a lil more spaced out that usual.  Never was the one with the quickest comebacks or one liners, but atleast I knew what was going on half the time.
 
But as I said, headaches better lol  Now it just tingles

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   Posted 12/14/2009 8:35 PM (GMT -7)   
Try the meditation and see if that helps you free your mind. Talk to the doc about a different sleep aid. Or a controlled version of the ambien.

I hope that you find something that works for you soon.

Hugs, Karen
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   Posted 12/15/2009 12:31 AM (GMT -7)   
Mike,

I really think the sleep deprivation is just getting a lot worse. Sleep deprivation plus Ambien is not a good combination either. You need to see a doctor. Putting it off any longer is really not safe. Please make sure you mention the "extreme self-consciousness". That is often a precursor to sleep-deprived psychosis. The window of time to successfully treat a patient with sleep-deprived psychosis is not terribly long -- days. Please don't let it reach that level.

If you can't get your doctor to return your calls, please go to a local clinic. If you don't have a local clinic & haven't gotten a full 8 hours of sleep straight by Wednesday, please go to the ER (make sure someone else drives you). There are so many treatment options & anything that works should take 2 days or less. Hypotics (sleeping meds) are not like anti-depressants. They don't have to build up in your system. In fact, they become less effective over time. So Ambien clearly is not a good choice for you.

In case this is a financial issue, they do have coupons on the internet to help you get a week's sample of Lunesta free with a doctor's script and four days worth of Ambien CR free with a script. So you can try out the different sleeping medications without having to spend money. Then, you can figure out which one works for you. Most doctor's offices also have samples of any of the newer sleeping meds so that may be yet another option.

take care,
frances

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   Posted 12/15/2009 11:03 AM (GMT -7)   
I'm trying to be optomistic and trying to thinkn that I don't have sleep deprivation psychosis.  It's been almost 3 months now of not really getting the proper sleep, although last night I was able to get about 5 hours straight at one point which was nice and I feel was much needed.  Going to the doctor today at 530 and I'll bring this all up to him as well.  Thanks all for the help and advice.

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   Posted 12/15/2009 11:40 AM (GMT -7)   
Hey Mike,
 
I am glad that you are seeing the doc today.  I am surprised that you even got sleep last night being that you had an appointment today.  I had one today and forgot all about it, but the weather here was bad, so I called them and postponed it.  It is an hours drive one way and a lot of hills and curves in the road.  So it is hard traveling when the weather is bad.   It is snowing out a lot and getting windy.  Oh well, I will hibernate inside. lol...
 
Yes, please tell the doc everything and about the sleep issues.  I am sure that they will adjust your medication or get you something else to take. 
 
Let us know how everything goes.
 
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Mike619er
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   Posted 12/15/2009 6:18 PM (GMT -7)   
Ok so I just got back from my pdoc and things went pretty well for the most part.  I walked in there a pretty nervous wreck complaining about a lot of things and he talked some sense into me about some things.  First off he made me realize that I can actually take tylenol to try and relieve this headache that I seemed to get back today.  Reassured me yet again that I'm not going crazy and that I'm just suffering from anxiety and a little spacey and out of it feelings.
 
What really made me feel a lot better is that he clarified what I was misinterpreting as hallucinations.
 
I thought while I was lying down to go to sleep and I would close my eyes, that after 10-15 minutes I would start to think of weird things and see things.  Examples - An old man laughing, Cartoonishlike figures, thats all I can remember off the top of my head.
 
He reassured me that that does not qualify as hallucinations.  Those are what he called hypogenic (something, can you tell how good my memory is? lol).  He said it's a state of mind in which you're not asleep, but not sleeping.  Your mind is resting and not thinking clearly, and the fact that I am unable to sleep makes me not fall asleep and makes me open my eyes in a panic thinking that I seen something that I shouldn't have.  Although, in reality, it is something that he says is perfectly normal.  He actually compared it to when you wake up in the mornings sometimes and think you see a figure in your room, or something pass your window, and then when the groggyness passes you realize that there really is nothing there.
 
He also told me that the dizziness I've been experiencing from standing up after sitting too long can also just be the medication side effect, along with my newly positive racing thoughts.  Been having ideas of things I want to do lately but my mind just races so quickly been having trouble really commiting or focusing on just one.
 
So there are some positives to pull out of all of this, and I'm starting to atleast acknowledge and see them as positives so that is in itself, a positive.  Not even going to list the negatives, would just give me a reminder to acknowledge and see them which is something I don't feel I need right now.

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   Posted 12/15/2009 7:17 PM (GMT -7)   
I get the wierd sensations right before I fall alseep.  That is how I know that I am falling asleep.  I guess I can only explain it like I am dreaming and am still awake.  So I guess I am kind of asleep and awake at the same time.  I hear what sounds like voices, sometimes I can understand them and sometimes I can't.  Sometimes I will wake back up and sometimes I fall right to sleep.  So maybe this has been scarey to you and you wake yourself up out of a sleep. 
 
Did the doc change your sleep med?  Or did he leave it the same? 
 
I am glad that you are looking at the positives and disregarding the negatives until a later time.  That means that you are choosing to focus on the positive and that is good.  Keep up the good work.
 
Hugs, Karen
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   Posted 12/16/2009 12:57 AM (GMT -7)   
the dizziness with new meds is called postrual drop. bp goes up n down. esp from prone to raising. i too get the weird dream like stuff. esp when sleep deprived. all the best, jamie. my doc cancelled, well i found out when i rocked up yesterday, thank goodness my chemist gave me a covering box of seroquel until i see him on the 22nd. dentist tomorrow. jamie
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   Posted 12/16/2009 8:13 AM (GMT -7)   
Dentist good. Though I know that it is hard at the same time. Soon you will be done Jamie... Hope that the infection is gone.

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   Posted 12/16/2009 10:48 AM (GMT -7)   

Karen you're right on about the just before i fall asleep problems, I've never experienced the voices or visions before I guess I just used to be so relaxed that I would just fall asleep.  Hasn't been that way lately.  And yea when it happened to me it would send me right into a panic attack.  Today was a pretty good day for the most part, couldn't help but feel like I was a little too wired or happy at work but better off that way.  I did just up my ativan to 4 times a day so currently feeling a lil sluggish but all in all, no shaking, and minimal DR.  Things lookin up so far, hopin the rest of the day continues like this.

 

Jamie and Karen, you both seem to have gone through, or maybe you're both going through this for the first time like I am as well...  But if you've been dealing with this for awhile have you ever been able to hop off the meds and be fine for awhile?  Or atleast just take the antidepressents and get some sleep?  I'm not a big fan of being on all this medication, but I have to do what I need to for now.  I'd like to be able to get back to some type of normal feelings with minimal medication at some point.  Also hope everything goes good for you guys today as well

 

Currently on 120 mg cymbalta

.5 ativan  4 x a day

ambien for sleep


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   Posted 12/16/2009 11:46 AM (GMT -7)   
One time when I was taking effexor, I was feeling good and thought that I didn't need it anymore.  MISTAKE!!!  It was the effexor making me feel good.  This was years ago, but I will never forget it, very psychotic, crying, screaming and self abuse.  So remember it is probably the meds that are making you feel better.  I am now on pristiq.  I was on a high dose of effexor for years.  They added abilify in the mix and I am doing pretty good.  Have been for a long time.  So far, I am four days off of effexor.  So hopefully I will be able to stay on the pristiq.  Hopeing for weight loss and seeing it. 
 
I have been taking anti depressants for years.  But have a chemical embalance and need them.  It has been a long time since I have been med free.  Have been struggling with depression for over 30 years.  Probably more than that if I think about my younger years.  But was drinking a lot then and didn't see a therapist.  Started that in my 20's.  I am 51 now. 
 
I hope that you continue to feel better.  Keep posting and let us know how you are doing.
 
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   Posted 12/16/2009 3:10 PM (GMT -7)   
How well do you as far as sleep goes without the meds?  Are you able to relax and sleep while on the effexor lately?  Still struggling just to lie down and relax.

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   Posted 12/16/2009 4:13 PM (GMT -7)   
I have to take meds to keep me awake Mike, I would sleep 24/7 if I didn't.  That is why I don't have trouble sleeping, I just don't get a refreshed sleep without the ambien. 
 
So far so good while off of the effexor.  I was told that if I have problems to take two pristiq and call the doctor and he would up my dose to 100mg.  I only take 50 right now.  But they are anticipating that I will have to take more, but so far I am doing okay, though this is only day four without it.  So I have to really pay attention to how I am feeling. 
 
Where most people take ambien to sleep, I take it to get a refreshed sleep.  Or else I am tired all day.  I take adderall to stay awake during the day, or else I would sleep all day too.  But I have fibromyalgia and chronic fatigue.  So that is where I am different. 
 
I dream a lot, I guess that is why I welcome that feeling just before you fall asleep.  It is like I have two lives, and awake one and a dream one.  Or sleep one.  I have dreams that continue into the next night's sleep.  But I have always been that way, so that is normal for me, I have always had very vivid dreams.  Even some preminition dreams actually.  So my sleep, I guess is okay.  Unless I want to sleep all of the time.  That is not good.
 
Best wishes for a wonderful night's rest.
 
Hugs, Karen
 
PS my insurance company often complains when I take ambien every month.  So I go off of it for a month now and then, I take melatonin when I don't have it.  That helps some. 
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   Posted 12/16/2009 4:23 PM (GMT -7)   
I used to be the same exact way Karen.  I used to sleep a lot, used to take really long naps during the day before I began going through this anxiety that I've been diagnosed with lately.  Constantly feeling tired though, but wired at at the same time if that makes any sense.  Tired as in not really wanting to do much besides lay around, wired as in can't really seem to just relax and fall asleep.  Seeing as though I used to sleep a lot like you currently do, did you ever go through a period of time, a month or two, where you were having a lot of trouble sleeping?  Maybe this is just a passing thing for me I hope.

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   Posted 12/16/2009 7:37 PM (GMT -7)   
Only when I had high anxiety.  But for the most part of my life I have slept well.  But not everybody is the same.  Is there certain triggers in your life that are causing the anxiety do you think?  I can remember waking up early before work and dreading the time that the alarm would go off, but I would still usually fall back to sleep.  I really didn't want to because then the time to get up would seem to come quicker.  I just wanted to sleep.  But I guess that I always have, which is more of a sign of depression.  I think that not being able to sleep has a lot to do with anxiety.  And just the fact that you can't sleep, makes you that much more anxious. 
 
Have you ever tried relaxation tapes?  That helps a lot of people, I need noise when I sleep.  I like the sound of a fan or a motor of some sort.  Kind of like white noise.  You can get sound spas.  They help some people.  Have you ever tried melatonin?  People need different things, I have known  a lot of people that don't sleep well, and usually it is because they are worried about something.  You need to clear the mind.  Give yourself permission to not think of anything.  I guess I don't have high anxiety anymore.  I just don't worry about things.  I let life happen.  And take it one day at a time. 
 
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   Posted 12/17/2009 12:03 PM (GMT -7)   
Lately the things that have been on my mind lately have involved questioning myself.  Nothing really from anything outside from what others do, or from events, its more of examining myself.  Been working with my doctor to try and stop doing that and to just let go a bit.  Was at a point once where I'd examine and question why I moved my leg a certain way while I was watching TV.  Um, because I was uncomfortable!  Or wait, because I'm anxious!?  It was really bad at one point but I'm starting slowly to try and ignore the thoughts and focus on other things.  Much healthier to focus on sports, friends, family then to focus on why Im thinking a certain why or why I moved a certain way.  So strange how the extreme self consciousness hit me, I've always been a lil bit but never to the extreme that its been lately.  Been getting better like I said though, the sleep, rest, relaxation still haven't really came back to me yet.  Meds are still helping me with that while I battle through a little derealization in the meantime.  Going out to a hockey game with some friends tonight, going to make sure I take an Ativan before that for sure though just in case I have a bad moment or something.

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   Posted 12/17/2009 9:27 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Mike,
 
I am so happy that you are going out and going to a game.  We watch hockey, but I have a hard time keeping up with the puck.  I try, but I guess my eyes and brain aren't fast enough.  I really like watching baseball but that is over, looking forward to spring training.  I think that is what you call it when the get started again.
 
Yes, it is so easy to get fixated on ourselves.  I have a habit of shaking my right leg when I first get up in the morning watching tv and at night before bed.  It is some type of restless leg, but I get up and move around so it stops.  Worrying about every little thing that you do can drive you crazy.  So it is best not to dwell on it.  We all have these little things that we do when nervous or anxious.  You will come to realize that eventually. 
 
I do things that I don't even realize that I am doing.  That is just me though.  lol...  I am sure a lot of people do that too.
 
Have a good night, I have not been home from work long.  It was kind of a wierd day.  Kind of long at times, but not too bad.  I don't do well when it is slow and I have to find things to do.  I like it busy where I go into automatic.  lol...
 
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   Posted 12/18/2009 9:36 AM (GMT -7)   

Hey Karen,

Yea I totally feel you when you rather it be busier at work then slow.  When its slow you just sit around and have to find things to talk about, well atleast at my job anyway.  I work in a meat production plant so when times are slow and we're not that busy we kind of just have to kill time sometimes until another order comes in or whatever.  Its good at times but other times its a lil stressful.  But this is life, stressful.

As far as last night went, it couldn't have gone any better.  Went out to the hockey game with some friends and didn't drink, they all drank pretty heavily though but I still had a good time just going out and talking with them and laughing at their drunken antics.  Wound up having to leave because one of them got kicked out of the game but it was a pretty histerical night all in all.  Was able to spend 7 hours out of my house of which I thought had become my only safe haven lately.  Goes to show that I'm able to do things like that all the time, I need to stop this Im not in control nonsense and not acting like myself thinking too.  None of my friends even mentioned I was acting differently, and driving to and from the game I knew exactly where I was going without even thinking of it.  Need to go out to a game again pretty soon, even though I don't like hockey.  It still was a good night out and I got the best nights sleep last night I've had in months, might have been just what the doctor ordered.

How are you hanging in there lately?  I definetly feel much better lately, my headache is like 90% gone, time to start thinkin about others for a change.  Seems to help me out a lot more then worrying about the guy in the mirror.

 

Mike


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   Posted 12/18/2009 10:39 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Mike,
 
I am so happy that you had a good time at the game.  That is fantastic.  And to think you are going again, that is great.  It is good to be around other people at times.  That is why I like my job.  It is at a gas station/convenience store.  I get to see people all day, but dont' have to converse much if I don't want to.  I think it is healthy for me to do this.  But the weather getting cold is hard on my fibromyalgia.  So I don't know how long I will last.  But the boss said that I would get a leave of absence so that I can come back in the spring if I can't make it.  I thought that was cool.  Job security I guess. 
 
It is sunny here today, a little cold, but not damp or anything.  I was pretty sore after working last night, but feel better now.  Had a good breakfast, now my soap opera is on, so I will go and check that out.
 
Have a great day.  Very happy for you!!!
 
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