Is depression a mind set?? Friendly debate

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Mr.lost01
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   Posted 8/9/2010 5:07 PM (GMT -7)   
One of my dear friends who worked with social services as a volunteer picked up on a lot of information. He helped me in times of good,bad,and worse. Anyways he said depression is a mind set and he always tells me not to think about it. So do you think that you can just reset everything. And in some cases such as abuse wouldn't that be a bad thing? I personally think that depression is not something one can just up and run away from. I think Its more to due with handling the reality. who's right who's wrong? Friendly debate anyone

myjoy
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   Posted 8/9/2010 5:28 PM (GMT -7)   
Ummmm, your friend does not understand depression.
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Mr.lost01
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   Posted 8/9/2010 8:28 PM (GMT -7)   
want to explain your self so i don't look like any more of a fool lol. Excuse my lack of knowledge I have not studied depression and i think maybe i got twisted. All i know is that I have depression.

THE HAPPY TURTLE
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   Posted 8/10/2010 2:20 AM (GMT -7)   
depression.
 
some key facts.
 
1. people can have episode(s) of depression and recover well.
 
2. depression does not discriminate.
 
3. depression can be situational.
 
4. depression can be caused via many things. ie grief, loss, financial, peer, bullying, abuse etc.
 
5. it may be a chemical imbalance.
 
6. there are many types of depression as well.
 
7. there are many effective tools to help manage depression.
 
ie, CBT, Counselling, medication, groups, meditation and specialist referal.
 
also alike my diabetes it is a medical condition.
 
hoping this helps, hoping you feel better soon.
 
the mad professor,
 
-jamie.
 
YESTERDAY IS A BUTTERLY WITHOUT WINGS. (ME)
 
DX, MDD, SEVERE BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER.
 
REMEMBER TO LOVE YOU. BE YOU AND BE TRUE.

myjoy
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   Posted 8/10/2010 6:38 AM (GMT -7)   
Jamie got it right. :)
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annie.d12345
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   Posted 8/10/2010 8:05 AM (GMT -7)   
This is kind of common,people who have not been in depression,always mock it or ignore it or dismiss it with reasons,which end up hurting people who are actually depressed.
None enjoys being here. I have studied psychology,and hence knew it when I fell in depression,and there was nothing I could really do about it.

I agree with Jamie.
“Faith isn't faith until it's all you're holding on to”

Annie

neverbetter
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   Posted 8/12/2010 7:37 PM (GMT -7)   
Depression is biological, they say.  But I think even more important than the biological part is the fact that we aren't being spiritually filled enough.  Because most of us live in a selfish society, with undernourishment, and we really are just trying to live day-to-day between our busy schedules.  So we don't have ANY time to consider others' feelings. 
 
I actually agree that not thinking about your depression helps.  Obviously, once an episode comes on, it's hard NOT to think about it, but instead of keeping it to ourselves, we should be out in the community, helping the poor and people that are less fortunate than us.  Just a simple "thank-you" at the store, or at school, or anywhere, can be fulfilling. 
 
And no, I'm not saying depressed people are selfish.  Believe me, I've been there.  But I am saying that everyone in our society is selfish, because we're born into it, and we don't know anything different.   But we can change that, one person at a time.  On hard days, it may feel like you can't even get the energy to get out of bed, but I have a feeling that if we all really, really tried, we could start taking our first steps towards helping our depression NATURALLY.
 
Also, no one can run away from their depression.  But we have to accept that depression IS PART OF WHO WE ARE, and if people judge us because of it, too bad, they are just undereducated and cannot see past their own lives.  And spiritual fulfillment can definitely help, if not cure, our depression; it can do it without wiping our minds clean, taking extreme forms of medication, and even without other people. 

Tirzah
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   Posted 8/12/2010 10:00 PM (GMT -7)   
I think it's hard to generalize about depression. Jamie did really explain it very well.

Some people are just depressed (not suffering from Major Depressive Disorder). Those people can reason their way out of feeling depressed. Most people fit into that category at some point. Remember that as common as major depression is, 75% of people in the world do not suffer from it. They have lows, but not the kind that people with a serious depressive illness have. I think that's why it's so hard for them to understand what we're experiencing.

MDD is an actual illness. Sometimes it is purely biological (genetic); sometimes it is purely situational. Most of the time it is a combination of both. Early treatment does make a difference, though. There are studies showing that when given proper treatment at the very start, people can be cured of depression. Not all of them are, but it's a good shot. The longer someone had depression the harder it gets to cure it. But it can be managed.

By managed I mean that if we take our meds or go to counseling or eat right/exercise/say positive things/participate in fulfilling & meaningful activities then we are able to function as if we didn't have depression, even though chemically our brains may still differ from those who've never had a depressive illness.

As far as your friend suggesting not to think about it, that does help some people. Like NB, I've found that it helps me to try to focus on saying positive things. There is a lot of research (neurolinguistics) that shows that the things we say impact our thoughts & feelings. Saying more positive things causes us over time to start thinking more positively and eventually we start to feel more positive; as a result, the chemistry in our brains becomes slightly altered. It may or may not be a cure, but it certainly doesn't hurt.
On the other hand, just not saying anything at all & withdrawing from all your friends in an effort to just not talk about your depression is not likely to help. It has to be coupled with speech. But I will say that most of my friends & it seems like many of the friends of people here on HW don't stick around long if we talk a lot about being down & depressed. I don't know why that it. It is certainly very hurtful, but it does happen. So trying to be positive has the added benefit of allowing us to keep our friendships.

I hope that helps.

take care,
frances

THE HAPPY TURTLE
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   Posted 8/12/2010 11:01 PM (GMT -7)   
cheers frances. well spoken. esp on mdd. thx 4 your exceptional insight. with compassion, jamie

aka, the mad professor.
YESTERDAY IS A BUTTERLY WITHOUT WINGS. (ME)
 
DX, MDD, SEVERE BORDERLINE PERSONALITY DISORDER.
 
REMEMBER TO LOVE YOU. BE YOU AND BE TRUE.

tiredoftrying
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   Posted 8/21/2010 6:30 AM (GMT -7)   
Honestly, this person doesn't sound like much of a friend. Depression is real, different things work for different people, but I feel that "not thinking about it" is ridiculous advice, and not the least bit supportive. Not that different from saying "sounds like a personal problem", and I think that this is not a person that wants to help, and that's ok. The people that come into our lives are not always there to provide us with something we want or need. If you have other ties with this person, then maybe that is all there should be, you know, someone to go to the movies with, or shop, or enjoy sports, whatever, but not the person to give support in this area. And again, there is nothing wrong with that.

In my experience, it is best to get the bulk of support and help from pros, doctors, counselors, therapists, and though these sites are not "pro", they are good too, but not a substitute for real life, REAL support and treatment.

As someone who has had one (or three dozen) too many "friends" who wanted to carry on about what is wrong with them and their life, for hours and hours and hours, I can understand your friends statement, but think it might be "code" for "I am not the person for you to come to about this".

tiredoftrying
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   Posted 8/21/2010 7:55 AM (GMT -7)   
I think I need to clarify what I wrote. I am a big believer in cognitive therapy, believe the being aware of what you think and how it effects you etc is very important, which is very different from not thinking about depression, but maybe that was the direction your friend was going, expressing that they thought that it was not healthy to continually focus on your depression, to get interested in other things, move on, whatever.
Good luck!
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