SAM-e pooping out..unsure of what to do..

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Rianna
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   Posted 8/13/2005 11:20 AM (GMT -7)   
I have been on SAM-e (supplement for depression) for three years and have been depression free.  After 40 years of having depression, not having depression was a Godsend.  about two weeks ago, I came down with a virus - and with that came awful anxiety, which I am getting over now.  However, the depression also came back, so I guess the SAM-e is pooping out.  I was feeling so good, that I was hoping it would last forever, but I guess nothing for depression whether it is a supplement or chemical can last forever.
 
The Doctor tried to put me on chemical antidepressants and I refused because Lexapro gave me permanent Tinnitus (24/7 ringing in the ears) and the others (Zoloft, Prozac) also gave me ringing in the ears and anxiety attacks.  She suggested I increase the SAM-e and also take St, Johns Wort with it.  However, I was also put on Liptor to lower my cholesterol and it said not to take it with St. Johns Wort..so now I don't know where to turn to help get rid of this depression.  Has this ever happened to anyone where there meds or supplements pooped out?  I really have no idea what to do now.  I guess I can try to increase SAM-e and see if that helps..thanks for listening.

Bryce
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   Posted 8/13/2005 7:49 PM (GMT -7)   

I would suggest you look into cognitive behavioral therapy, CBT. I am amazed at how successful the drug industry has been in creating the illusion or delusion that only drugs or chemicals can help a person with depression or anxiety. I thought the same thing for over 30 years because that's all I had experienced which had worked for me. Thats' what my psychiatrist had put me on initially over 35 years ago, so that must be all there is to help, I reasoned. In 2000, at the age of 50, I changed doctors in order to try different meds to see if I could find something to help me become functional again. I had lost my job due to my illness in 1997 and wasn't working at this time. Life just always seemed to be harder than it should be for me and I had struggled with depression most of my adult life. After a year and a half of trying 7 different meds I was emotionally exhausted and needed a rest. I had found one med which worked about as good as the ones I had been on for a number of years, but none really was anymore effective than the old ones, so I went back on the familiar old ones. None of the meds got me anywhere near fully functional and feeling good. I was very desperate for an answer.

In late 2000 I had come across a CBT home study course and had begun to work with it. This was new to me. I had always known that my thinking had something to do with my problem, but didn't realize how much and didn't know how to change it. Over the next three years I gradually began to improve thanks to learning about myself and how I thought with the help of the CBT course. I learned how to change how and what I thought. Exercise also became a critical component to my recovery. I began jogging/walking 3 miles a day 3 to 4 days a week. I finally reached the point where I wanted to try to re-enter the work force after 7 years of not working. MY sleep cycle had been messed up big time and I didn't know how to solve that problem. In January 2004, I went to work the first day, not having slept the night before. But over the next couple of weeks my sleep cycle gradually kicked in. I did stay up all night a couple of more times before it started working for me however. The job was seasonal so after a couple of months I was out of a job again and didn't find another until returning to the same work in late December 2004. At the same time I picked up a job through a temp agency and began working part time for both businesses. I had to work through the sleep problem again the same way, by staying up all night again or most of the night due to not being able to go to sleep, but my cycle kicked in again as it had before. This was the perfect time for me to become fully employed. I was feeling great and working 55 hours or more a week was good for my self esteem. I'm still working full time.

All of this happening was simply by trying. I didn't know if I could do it or not. I simply tried each day to do what I needed to do. I'm not completely free of problems. My old thinking habits try and resurrect themselves at times and I have to go through the same process I did initially to get past them. But, CBT has worked better than meds for me and I guess I am as surprised as anyone. I'm still on a low does of anti-depressants. But, 22 months ago I was able to go completely off of anti-anxiety meds I had taken for 27 years and in the same time frame my anti-depressants have been reduced 70%. I owe my recovery to CBT and to exercise along with the help of meds.

What I have learned is that our thinking creates emotions. Healthy thinking creates healthy emotions and unhealthy thinking can make us emotionally sick. I also believe that thinking can create and change brain chemistry. I haven't read a lot to support this, but Dr. David Burns believes this also. He's authored several books on CBT which have become widely used by therapists to help their patients. They are available for very little cost at your local bookstore.

 


Post Edited (Bryce) : 8/13/2005 8:53:58 PM (GMT-6)


Rianna
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   Posted 8/16/2005 12:58 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Bryce,

I want to thank you for taking the time in getting back to me, and sharing your story. I am happy to hear you have beat this!  I am 43, and have gone through many years of extensive counseling:  Humanistic, Behaviorial, 30-40 self help books, Talk therapy, and CBT which I am all for as I have touted this kind of therapy to several acquaintances and friends. My Mother also had depression and I feel I inherited it from her.

Like you I am all for CBT.  It helped me greatly - for example, I used to think of myself and describe myself as "a loser", "worthless" "unable to keep a job" "unable to keep a relationship" etc..etc.  Dr. David Burns CBT workbook that a counseler suggested helped me a great deal, and I no longer refer to myself in those terms.  However, no matter how much therapy, self help books, etc - unfortunately, it has not removed the depression.  This is..unfortunately..where the meds come in.  I don't like them either, and I am saddened that the SAM-e I have been on for so long, is no longer working.  However, I need to be on something, because it is the only thing that takes the horrible pain and despair of depression away, so that I can function.  Thanks again for writing.  I am very grateful.

 


CheerDad
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   Posted 8/17/2005 2:51 PM (GMT -7)   
I really don't know or have much to add other than to let you know I was thinking of you! Hope you are getting some relief. As far as chemical anti-depressants, maybe try one that isn't in the SSRI family. Just a thought.
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Bryce
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   Posted 9/16/2005 2:53 PM (GMT -7)   
I am late in posting, Rianna, sorry. The healingwell message that told me I had a reply went to my old email add. There are some biological depressions, I think, so that may be what you have. This whole thing is really hard to get a handle on. But CBT plus exercise has worked better for me this time around than any meds. I used a tape program and I much prefer it vs. reading Dr. Burns' books, although I think they are excellent and I read them myself. I can "soak" in the chat while I lay down, listen to a relaxation tape which helps a lot for sleep, and after a few days of this it's like the stuff stays in my mind for an extended period of time and helps me or strengthens me to do what I need to to stay in the present and stay emotionally healthy. For me it's "renewing" my mind with what works and what is healthy for me.
 
I am sad to say that at present I have regressed. Over the last 4 months I have missed on average 2 days a month of work. I am hoping the main reason for this is due to the fact that I gave away my tape program about 5 months ago to someone I was working with, thinking that they were in much worse shape than I. But, the individual didn't seem to understand the value of what I had given her. The way I see myself is that I have been thinking negatively and depressively for decades and it's going to take a while for me to change to the point that I don't need a program anymore to keep me level. In fact, I may also have some biological depression which may not be able to overcome simply by using CBT. But my main problem is thinking negatively and using CBT skills helps me stay away from that. It doesn't happen much anymore, but if someone takes an interest in me, is compassionate with me, it's easy to feel better almost immediately and sometimes even snap out of a down mode. That tells me it's primarily thinking. If it were biological, such treatment would have no effect the way that I reason it. I just bought the CBT program I had been using for over 3 years again today on Ebay, the one I gave away. I got it for 1/4 the price I paid for it initially, yay!!  So, I am looking forward to working with it again soon and hopefully keep my job and cut out the missing work. Sometimes this is hard work and sometimes I feel like I am starting over at square one, but as long as it works I'll keep at it.
 
I hope you are able to find something to help you feel better. No one treatment is a panacea for everyone, that's for sure. Take good care of yourself and I hope you have a good, peaceful weekend.
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