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Lynnwood
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   Posted 7/11/2017 8:41 AM (GMT -6)   
So, I'm one of those for whom no medication has ever really eased my depression, instead I manage it with keeping busy & focused on other things, exercise, reading, random activities...

I'm about 30 pounds overweight, mostly due to prednisone I *used* to take for another illness I have. I have been trying to tackle this situation for the last 3 months, and have only manged to loose about 10 lbs.

I have found that when I curtail my Dr Pepper and white carb eating, my depression gets worse. Now after 3 weeks of very limited sugar & processed carb intake, I'm fast falling into a dark, dark hole.

I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced something similar, and if so, what have you done to handle the situation? I don't want the extra weight, but I don't want to be depressed, either.

Thanks.

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   Posted 7/11/2017 9:35 AM (GMT -6)   
Wow, that is kind of different, though some carbs are fuel for the body. Maybe you just enjoy the Dr. Pepper. And lack of it leaves you unfulfilled.

Sugar is addicting. Have you read the book called "Sugar Blues"? I can't remember the author. How long has it been since you cut back on these carbs? Maybe there is a withdraw period??? Just wondering...

I hope you find what works for you. Let me know when you do, I could stand to lose too. I get to a certain weight and can't get lower. Very frustrating.

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pitmom
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   Posted 7/11/2017 10:12 AM (GMT -6)   
Are you removing or replacing? Do you feel denied of something you enjoyed? Have you found a sufficient substitute?

The 'chemical' is only part of the 'withdrawl'.

When I quit drinking there were plenty of alternative beverages available but none with the association that the booze had. I decided to set 'Ginger Ale' aside as my 'celebratory' drink. Which leads me to wonder what part Dr. Pepper played in your day to day life? Was it the equivalent of 'morning coffee'? 'afternoon tea'? Is there another beverage you could set as your 'new normal'?

There are sweeteners that don't raise the blood sugar, lower on the glycemic index, that can be used to replace sugar yet are 'natural'. I use agave nectar in my iced coffee now. I've cut back to one packet of raw sugar in my morning coffee and hope to cut that out eventually.

I've cut back on pop corn and pasta and am looking for more complex carbs to replace them. I can't stand the whole wheat pastas so I'm trying to up my 'other' fiber intake and have a smaller portion of regular 'white' pasta.

It's all about balance. I now have my dark chocolate treat in the evening which has mood elevating properties. I think I sleep a bit better, going to bed with a brighter outlook.

The 'dark hole' will use any excuse it can find to suck us back down. Hope some of this experience of mine might prove helpful.
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Lynnwood
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   Posted 7/12/2017 11:20 AM (GMT -6)   
I don't think there are any habits or rituals involved. I am fine for 3, almost 4 weeks, with low sugar/carb consumption, then my depression starts pulling me down. I try all my usual things, nothing seems to help.

Then I have some sugar/carbs for 2-3 meals and the darkness subsides and the world has light and meaning again.

Big problem is that those 2-3 meals break my resolve and it's hard to drop the sugar/carbs again. Can't have anything like a "dark chocolate treat" in the house - I'd eat the whole months worth of treats in 30 minutes. lol

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   Posted 7/12/2017 11:26 AM (GMT -6)   
Do read the book "sugar blues"... I think it will make a lot of sense to you...

Hugs, Karen...
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BnotAfraid
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   Posted 7/12/2017 12:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Hi Lynnwood.

I had to change my diet for thyroid, migraine and fibroids.

I have posted the following links I started with.

DIET:

www.whfoods.com/foodstoc.php
Whole food diet site. Good Nutrition has been seen to help reduce depression is some people.

www.themigrainediet.com/
Migraine diet site to help control blood sugars, pain and gain healthy balance.

There are BAD carbs and GOOD carbs, research that and add your good carbs, such as carrots, beans, healthy grains such as quinoa [cooks easier that rice!]

Limit coffee to one cup a day, I drink half caffeine. I get my from Intelligent Blends on the Net because we have a Kuerig and I.B. pods are recyclable. I can't mention the price here.

NO SODA, diet soda is the worse, the fake sweetener, makes you crave more, in anything!

Bai juice, Vitamine Water. I drink 32oz or more of water a day to stay hydrated. Our meds and depression suck out moisture. Staying hydrated, lessons: pain, depression, headpain, arthritis, keeps us regular, wash out the kidneys and liver. Important on meds.

Last thing, NO artificial ingredients and/or flavors, no PROCESSED food. Such as "processed cheese product". This is NOT cheese. NO food coloring Yellow, Red, Blue. They are know to cause ADHA, insomnia, and may be linked to anxiety.

If you ad fish to you diet, be careful of the "bottom feeder" and where you purchase them. I buy frozen filets most times, because we do not have a fish market and the food store fish always looks old, the flesh breaking down.

I hope this helps you, weaning off things are very hard. So thing time of year, eat cherries instead of more sugar. Put fresh fruit in the water you drink with ice. Have some fun, experiment.

Roast veggies in the oven or on grill for sandwiches on low carb bread, Rye bread has no carbs.
I roast, Fennell, mushrooms, baby carrots, onions, grape tomatoes, broccoli, Brussel sprouts.

Enough for know, I could go on for ever. Email if you have any questions. Hubby is a chef.
Peace and hugs
Trina
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Post Edited (BnotAfraid) : 7/12/2017 12:30:51 PM (GMT-6)


Lynnwood
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   Posted 7/12/2017 12:21 PM (GMT -6)   
Thanks everyone -- not really looking for dieting tips. Eating veggies, fruit, fresh (clean) proteins, drinking water. None of that is the issue.

Was wondering if anyone had ever treated depression with sugar.

F27
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   Posted 7/12/2017 3:24 PM (GMT -6)   
It's all about the dopamine. I self-medicate with sugar all the time. Sugar is a DIY antidepressant for me and, along with bourbon, is something I actually crave when I'm down.

That said, my foray into medi-weed has pretty much removed my bourbon cravings.

There's a reason I spend >$100/month at Starbucks, and it ain't the coffee.

Fat and happy? Skinny and sad? I stand by my choice.

smile

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   Posted 7/12/2017 11:55 PM (GMT -6)   
I am glad you are craving less bourbon F27 as alcohol is a depressant. I hope that the medi-weed is helping. Do you get the munchies when you vape?

Hugs, Karen...
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NiceCupOfTea
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   Posted 7/13/2017 1:47 PM (GMT -6)   
Sugar has been demonised to an absurd, even unhealthy, extent. I eat sugar every single day, not to make myself feel better or because I am addicted but because I genuinely like the taste of it. I don't binge - got a load of chocolate in my fridge which has been there for ages. I reckon by just allowing myself to eat sugar every day and treating it as a normal food, I don't set up any problems for myself. However if I cut out sugar and then suddenly tasted it after a few weeks, I probably would go nuts on it. Similar to how if I don't eat meat for a while, and then I have the world's tastiest chicken wing, or whatever, I go a bit nuts on those as well.

Post Edited (NiceCupOfTea) : 7/13/2017 4:13:57 PM (GMT-6)


F27
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   Posted 7/13/2017 3:32 PM (GMT -6)   
@GettingBy: So far, so good. Interestingly enough I'm not getting the benefits I want (DAMM YOU INSOMNIA!) but my gut is very happy, and I'm losing weight. The stuff takes away my apetite, so no munchies with vaping for this guy. It's also great for my headaches and takes away the aches and pains of my desk-job body. Also a significant mood booster, so yeah, all good.

CBD only oil isn't doing much for me.

@NCOT: Depending on how conspiracy minded you are there's a lot of credibility to the assertion that it was "Big Corn" that was responsible for the sugar backlash. Gawd, I remember eating sugar sandwiches when I was a kid, and I was rail skinny. Ugh, now I want some Pocky. And some Mountain Dew. And some chicken wings.

Mountain Dew Teeth

NiceCupOfTea
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   Posted 7/13/2017 4:11 PM (GMT -6)   
I don't believe anything the internet has to say about sugar. In fact I don't believe anything the internet has to say about anything. There are millions of people out there, all pushing their agenda one way or another, and Google doesn't distinguish between the crazies and the sensible people. Diet has particularly been hijacked by opportunists seeking to 'sell' a particular lifestyle.

Humans can cope with sugar in their diet. Our bodies are surprisingly versatile.

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   Posted 7/14/2017 2:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Thanks F27 for the reply. I am not into cbd only either. I like a little thc in the mix. The cbd is suppose to help with pain which is good, but I like the psychological effects too. Glad to see you are getting some relief.

Have a good day.

Hi NCOT... Good to see you posting here.

Hugs, Karen...
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