Am I addicted/withdrawing to/from sugar?

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Tape
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   Posted 7/17/2017 7:51 PM (GMT -6)   
Hello, I'm a 55yr old male and I am a chronic pain patient and have been since 2002, about 2007 I started drinking coke exclusively without any water unless I cut grass etc. about 3-4 months ago I decided to QUIT coke and started drinking water, 20oz bottle water, 75% water and 25% lemonade.

I started having anxiety like symptoms, I would be completely restless, cannot sit still or even relax at all. I have tried everything/anything to get this feeling out of me. It's starts in my gut and just pushes me out of the bed. I would wake up with an awful panic feeling to get out of the bed and when my feet hits the floor I pause and try to figure out what is going on.

I just recently bought a blood/sugar ReliOn gauge to check my blood sugar levels. When my BSL is at 130 or so I get the "feeling" so today I told myself to drink some coke. When I was almost done drinking a 16oz bottle of coke I started feeling better and could begin feeling a sense of relaxation. I wasn't having the "anxiety" feelings.

Did I cut out the sugars and caffeine out to quickly, should I taper it down?

I just want to know that if cutting out the sugars cold turkey is the reason for the awful feelings I was getting.

I asked my primary doctor if you can get sugar withdrawals and he said there is no such thing, you cannot get sugar withdrawals from cutting out sugar.

BnotAfraid
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   Posted 7/17/2017 8:05 PM (GMT -6)   
Well, I can tell you soda, coke and Pepsi especially are about the worst things you can put in your body!!!

I believe over loading on sugar can cause a withdraw, just as with anything.

Not only did you cut out the sugars, chemicals and artificial ingredients, that drive urges for more, you cut our a major source of caffeine.

This a a fantastic thing you did, kudos!

Here is the thing though. Your body has to adjust now. Eat healthier. NO junk food, more Whole Foods, salads, grains, fruits, veggies, be adventurous into a more vegan-ness life style.

I drink 32oz of water or more a day. this is the recommended amount by nutritionists. It cleans the kidney, liver and bladder out. Important if you re on daily meds.

Hydration, with out caffeine with give you much more energy, you will feel younger. It truly is amazing.

I hope this helps.
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kellyinCali
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   Posted 7/17/2017 9:15 PM (GMT -6)   
I am not in the medical profession but I now know that most sodas are not even made with "REAL" sugar anymore. How do I know that? A trend started like "Coke with real sugar." Huh? I never knew it didn't have real sugar.

Put a penny (copper) into a cup of coke and watch it.

More KUDO's to you! Hope you feel better soon!

getting by
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   Posted 7/18/2017 4:42 AM (GMT -6)   
Get the book "sugar blues". They should have it on Amazon. It explains sugar addiction.

I hope you feel better soon.

Hugs, Karen...
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Tape
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   Posted 7/18/2017 1:38 PM (GMT -6)   
Thank you guys for being here, I feel so bad, if I drink a coke I will feel better but it seems thats going against what I'm trying to accomplish "quit the sugars"

Is this a normal symptom when quitting sugars from drinking 5-6 cokes a day?


How long will the bad feelings last?

getting by
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   Posted 7/18/2017 2:23 PM (GMT -6)   
You aren't only going through sugar withdraw, you are going through caffeine withdraw too. If you were drinking all that coke and stopped.

What about tapering slowly? Would that be better?

You really should read that book, you would probably understand what you are going through better.

I hope you feel better soon.

Hugs, Karen...
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NiceCupOfTea
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   Posted 7/18/2017 3:14 PM (GMT -6)   
Is diabetes a possibility? I get that restless feeling sometimes but sugar doesn't make it go away for me.
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Tape
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   Posted 7/18/2017 3:34 PM (GMT -6)   
NiceCupOfTea said...
Is diabetes a possibility? I get that restless feeling sometimes but sugar doesn't make it go away for me.
I was checked a couple weeks ago, my BS was high but not enough to be on meds per my primary Doc. At that time I already quit the cokes.

Tape
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   Posted 7/18/2017 3:42 PM (GMT -6)   
getting by said...
You aren't only going through sugar withdraw, you are going through caffeine withdraw too. If you were drinking all that coke and stopped.

What about tapering slowly? Would that be better?

You really should read that book, you would probably understand what you are going through better.

I hope you feel better soon.

Hugs, Karen...
Hi Karen, thanks for posting. These feelings are really scary. I am trying to taper at the moment. When I was getting restless I checked my BS and it was 129 so I drank a coke and started to feel good/normal and checked my BS and it was 199, this was like within an hours time. Then within an hour I start with the restless feelings again. I keep wondering if I'll ever be normal again. God it such a difficult ride.

Will this continue for months??

Tape
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   Posted 7/18/2017 3:44 PM (GMT -6)   
NiceCupOfTea said...
Is diabetes a possibility? I get that restless feeling sometimes but sugar doesn't make it go away for me.
when you get the restless feelings have you ever checked your BS?

getting by
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   Posted 7/18/2017 4:01 PM (GMT -6)   
Here is a link I found Tape, that might be helpful...


www.wikihow.com/Get-Through-Sugar-Withdrawal
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Tape
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   Posted 7/18/2017 4:24 PM (GMT -6)   
getting by said...
Here is a link I found Tape, that might be helpful...


www.wikihow.com/Get-Through-Sugar-Withdrawal
Thank you, I have already read it.

kellyinCali
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   Posted 7/18/2017 9:08 PM (GMT -6)   
Tape, You ARE going through withdrawal from sugar, caffeine and other chemicals that your body became used to and even dependent on. I think tapering is best. The book sounds like a worthwhile read and your doctor should be advising you as well. Take care.

Tape
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   Posted 7/18/2017 10:41 PM (GMT -6)   
kellyinCali said...
Tape, You ARE going through withdrawal from sugar, caffeine and other chemicals that your body became used to and even dependent on. I think tapering is best. The book sounds like a worthwhile read and your doctor should be advising you as well. Take care.
Hi kelly and thank you for your reply. My Doc doesn't believe in sugar withdrawal. I asked him about it and he told me "You cannot get withdrawal from sugar"

I almost ordered it but was thinking if it's things I have already learned from the past month researching about it. Last thing I need is another book in this house smile shakehead

Tape
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   Posted 7/18/2017 10:44 PM (GMT -6)   
But, if it's really worth it I'll go ahead and get it.

kellyinCali
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   Posted 7/19/2017 12:31 AM (GMT -6)   
I understand. Based on what you are describing in your posts, your body is trying to tell you that YES, it is addicted to sugar/caffeine and whatever else is in those soft drinks. It makes sense that you should "taper" IMHO. I suffer with migraines. If I were to all of sudden stop drinking a cup of coffee in the morning, my body would let me suffer in the worst possible way. Even though something is not a "drug" doesn't mean our body doesn't become dependent on it. It is usually recommended to "taper" drugs. Substances like sugar/caffeine in large amounts should be tapered as well in my opinion. Of course, let it be a fast tapering as sugar and caffeine do not stay in your system for weeks like drugs do. Best of luck to you.

Tape
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   Posted 7/19/2017 6:46 PM (GMT -6)   
kellyinCali said...
let it be a fast tapering as sugar and caffeine do not stay in your system for weeks like drugs do.



Hi kelly, you said "let it be a fast tapering"

What do you mean by this? Can you explain please. I am sorry to hear about you having migraines, if you do not get a caffeine fix in the morning will you have anxiety like feelings along with the headaches? The feelings I get are like a panic for a few seconds then a hard hit of restlessness where I cannot sit and relax until I down a 16oz coke and then I start to get a relaxing feeling that doesn't make me restless at all. I am drinking 4 16ozs cokes a day now and it is helping me get through the days better than when I didn't know what was going on.

Tape
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   Posted 7/20/2017 8:06 AM (GMT -6)   
Everyone, I am sorry if I am repeating my question but it's a scary feeling for me. I just want to be certain of my problem and the cause of it. I have had this for over 3 months and it would seem that if it was for sure caffeine and sugar withdrawals it would have passed by now.

Does caffeine and sugar withdrawals last that long to pass? Does it take longer for the body to recover then 3-4 or even 5 months?

How can I be absolutely sure it's caffeine and sugar withdrawals and not something else because of the length of time this is taking. I would not think that caffeine and sugar withdrawals would last for months but I have never experienced this.

Again, I am sorry for repeating my questions.

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   Posted 7/20/2017 8:31 AM (GMT -6)   
You are still drinking the coke, so you are going to have symptoms. The trick is to not drink the coke... And it still takes time for the symptoms to go away. Are you still cutting back each week or so?

If it becomes bothersome as it sounds like it is, talk to another doc if your doc isn't giving you satisfaction.

I hope that you feel better soon.

Hugs, Karen...
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Lynnwood
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   Posted 7/20/2017 8:34 AM (GMT -6)   
If you are back to drinking 4 16-oz cokes in a day, you will have to start over at the beginning of the withdrawal process. It doesn't matter that you started the whole thing 4 months ago -- two or three days back to the 4x 16-oz will put you right back at the beginning.

You want to know if it's sugar or caffeine? Try switching to caffeine-free or sugar-free cokes. Or another alternative is to purchase some caffeine pills, or use caffeinated tea.

For me, I first reduced the amount I was drinking. (I couldn't do sugar-free options because of allergies to artificial sweeteners.) Ramp down over the course of a week... then I used caffeine pills for 2-3 weeks before stopping totally. I do still use the caffeine pills for headaches, but very rarely. My program looks like this:

Previous week: 4x 16-oz coke/day
week 1: 3x 16-oz/day, add water
week 2: 2x 16-oz/day, add water
week 3: 1x 16-ox/day, add water
week 4: 1x 8-oz/day, add water
weeks 5-6: equivalent in caffeine pills, add water

You need to add the water, some of these feelings can be because of dehydration.

Lanie G
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   Posted 7/20/2017 9:01 AM (GMT -6)   
Tape, I saw this thread and thought I'd put my two cents in. This is what you wrote: I just recently bought a blood/sugar ReliOn gauge to check my blood sugar levels. When my BSL is at 130 or so I get the "feeling" so today I told myself to drink some coke. When I was almost done drinking a 16oz bottle of coke I started feeling better and could begin feeling a sense of relaxation. I wasn't having the "anxiety" feelings.

Seems to me it's not caffeine-related but blood sugar. You asked your doctor about sugar withdrawal but have you had blood tests for your blood sugar? During annual exams, fasting blood tests are usually done. Do you know what your results were? If you don't know of any of these results, please ask to have a CBC done. Your doctor should have suggested this.

If your were having odd feelings at 130 and if you felt better after drinking some Coke (regular, with sugar), then your blood sugar has been too high. Having odd feelings at 130 might mean your body is used to higher blood sugar and this is a red flag to me and why I believe it's high blood sugar, not caffeine.

It takes a little time for the body to adjust to lower/normal blood sugar levels after being used to higher levels but my point is I think it's your blood sugar.

I am editing to add that after re-reading all your posts about blood sugar (I missed them the first round.), your blood sugar is way too high, not just 'maybe'. If your doctor thinks it's not high enough to treat, please find another doctor.
Lanie

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Check out the following site for more info on blood sugar:
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Post Edited (Lanie G) : 7/20/2017 1:23:14 PM (GMT-6)


Tape
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   Posted 7/21/2017 12:09 PM (GMT -6)   
getting by said...
You are still drinking the coke, so you are going to have symptoms. The trick is to not drink the coke... And it still takes time for the symptoms to go away. Are you still cutting back each week or so?

If it becomes bothersome as it sounds like it is, talk to another doc if your doc isn't giving you satisfaction.

I hope that you feel better soon.

Hugs, Karen...
Hi Karen, yes I am but only 2-3 a day and I only drink about 2/3 of them and then they are too warm and I discard them.
I have had the symptoms for several months and I am feeling the anxiety like feelings are smoothing out some. I do not feel so anxious for the past two days. I hope this isn't a phase and a coming to the end of all this.

Thank you for all your replies smile

Tape
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   Posted 7/21/2017 12:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Lanie G said...
Tape, I saw this thread and thought I'd put my two cents in. This is what you wrote: I just recently bought a blood/sugar ReliOn gauge to check my blood sugar levels. When my BSL is at 130 or so I get the "feeling" so today I told myself to drink some coke. When I was almost done drinking a 16oz bottle of coke I started feeling better and could begin feeling a sense of relaxation. I wasn't having the "anxiety" feelings.

Seems to me it's not caffeine-related but blood sugar. You asked your doctor about sugar withdrawal but have you had blood tests for your blood sugar? During annual exams, fasting blood tests are usually done. Do you know what your results were? If you don't know of any of these results, please ask to have a CBC done. Your doctor should have suggested this.

If your were having odd feelings at 130 and if you felt better after drinking some Coke (regular, with sugar), then your blood sugar has been too high. Having odd feelings at 130 might mean your body is used to higher blood sugar and this is a red flag to me and why I believe it's high blood sugar, not caffeine.

It takes a little time for the body to adjust to lower/normal blood sugar levels after being used to higher levels but my point is I think it's your blood sugar.

I am editing to add that after re-reading all your posts about blood sugar (I missed them the first round.), your blood sugar is way too high, not just 'maybe'. If your doctor thinks it's not high enough to treat, please find another doctor.


Hi Lanie, Yes, I believe it's the BS as well. I get minor headaches that I think is caffeine related but I can handle that. It's the restless feelings that is hard for me to deal with.

My Doc did do blood work when I was up against the wall and trying to figure this all out. He ordered a full screening and everything was fine but the BS. I told him that I want to try to lower it myself instead of using meds.

The only reason for me to drinking cokes again is when my BS is lower I get the anxious feelings and for me to drink about 1/2 to 3/4 of the 16.9oz coke gets me to a relaxing feeling.

So far today I have a 16oz coffee with 15grams of sugar and on my second coke, I have already drank a 20oz bottle of water.

Lanie thank you for your time, I really appreciate it.

Lanie G
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   Posted 7/21/2017 4:24 PM (GMT -6)   
Hey Tape, I'm concerned about you! How about jumping over to the Diabetes Forum and posting about your blood tests in the past and how you've been feeling lately? There are different resources to look at and I'd like to help you more.
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Check out the following site for more info on blood sugar:
www.phlaunt.com/diabetes/

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   Posted 7/22/2017 6:02 AM (GMT -6)   
Lanie G said...
Hey Tape, I'm concerned about you! How about jumping over to the Diabetes Forum and posting about your blood tests in the past and how you've been feeling lately? There are different resources to look at and I'd like to help you more.
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do you want me to start a thread?
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