Post Edited (ShynSassy) : 7/11/2007 1:53:54 PM (GMT-6)
ElishaCo~Mod: DepressionModerator: Heart & Cardiovascular Diseasehttp://www.healingwell.com/donate
i, too, must disagree with you. in my life i have experienced too many people who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions, saying "the devil/spirit/my family/the bartender/etc. made me do it." i want to screem!!!!
yes, those of us on this forum have had a bad break, or tweo, or three, or four. so what? what's next? we didn't die from our experiences (yet). Yes, we are truely the strong ones in life's little drama. we have survived.
yes, i have chemical imballances in my brain, chronic debilitating back pain, copd, and and early signs of old age. so what?
it's my belief that it's not what happens to you in this life, it's how you react to it that matters. you determine how you react. sometimes (often) that's the only thing you can control. but you ARE in control.
i've forgotten the author, but this is one of my favorite poems, underscoring my point:
out of the night that covers me
black as the pit from pole to pole
i thank whatever gods may be
for my unquerable soul.
through the fell clutch of circumstance
i have not winced or cried aloud
through the bludgions of chance
my head is bloody but unbowed
it matters not how straight the gate
nor charged with punishments the scroll
i am the master of my fate
i am the captain of my soul.
I am editing your post due to forum rule 3 & 10...
Post Edited By Moderator (els) : 7/15/2007 6:34:13 PM (GMT-6)
It seems obvious to me that you have had a problem with "depressed" people previously in your life and this has coloured your judgement about genuine people. I welcome and respect your opinion and I understand that you (like many others, including myself at times) have difficulty in telling who is genuine and who is "pulling the wool". However, I would try not to be quite so aggressive in the manner in which you voice these opinions. (And by aggressive, I dont mean the violent kind. I suppose forthright is a better word). Many people on here are current sufferers, some have suffered and provide support and some have experience and use this to provide support and, even though Im sure your intention is good, it would be very easy to take offence to the language you use at times.
With reference to Hypocondria, it is a condition like any other and whilst non-sufferers can see that the behaviour they engage in is unhealthy and not helpful to themselves, suffers often cannot see this since they believe what they are saying is true. If someone said to you "The sky is purple", you would argue that the sky is blue. (under normal circumsatnces of course!) If you compare this back to your own analogy: "they're quick to dismiss anyone else who doesn't believe in what they do. And that is just extremism, no different than religious or political or racial extremism." that then makes you the extremist. Because you are the one dismissing the fact that the sky is blue.
The bottom line is that HW is a site dedicated to supporting people with various illnesses/conditions and helping them to learn more about their illness/conditions. We share our experiences in the hope that it will help others and I hope that you, too, can be part of this healing process.
Puffy2, Darren has been very kind in his reply to you here. I understand you mean no intentional disrespect in your posts here but I think you do need to know that they are offencive. Your just stating your opinion regarding depression/anxiety and what your experiences have been (with others or yourself) however, do realize that your perspective is not appropriate to post here on this forum. As Darren said this forum is for info and support.
You stated: "Anyways, I also believe that many people are simply hypochondriacs, and love coming on these boards. Well, that's not leading a normal life, I'm sorry it really isn't. I just think we all have to get used to really living with depression, and still leading a "normal" life and not coming on here all day long." I just have to say that I spent a good 10 minutes reading your posts on this one thread...if you don't think posting here is productive for people (as they will continue to ponder their illnesses, no matter if they are depressed or "hypochondriacs" as you catorigize it) then I have to wonder why you take so much time to post on this site? Do you think your comments are going to make someone just "snap out" of it or that they are helping?
Words can be a very effective weapon and those of us who seek mutual support on this forum take great care with those words we choose to post here. We are not going to debate about depression, who has it, why, how they manage it or what we personally think/feel regarding it. This just simply isn't productive to HW or anyone who suffers with this disorder. So, if you are unable to contribute to this forum in a positive manner then please don't post.
I am sorry for the edit to your post here hardcorespace...I am just removing this members posts from the board for now. Thank you for your understanding - Elisha
Post Edited By Moderator (els) : 7/15/2007 6:36:52 PM (GMT-6)
What can I say to you that has not already been said?
1. IMHO you are biased and I feel you have made some very hurtful comments in your lengthy posts.
2. I am an advocate for mental health and it is difficult to know if you are?
The forums are intended for offering mutual personal support. Debating controversial subjects or opinions should be taken elsewhere.
I am sorry if this sounds judgemental as it is not intended to but I just don't know exactly what your purpose is with the lengthy posts.
Post Edited By Moderator (els) : 7/15/2007 6:45:13 PM (GMT-6)
Thank you Puffy