Why blame neurology/yourself for depression? Blame life/circumstance!

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Puffy2
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   Posted 7/11/2007 12:40 PM (GMT -7)   
Why is everyone focused on neurology/themselves on their problems, when many times, as much as this DOES cause depression/anxiety, it also is realistically caused by life itself.

Let's face it, life isn't fair, it's full of hardships, bills are expected, job problems/losses, significant other/family problems, diseases, many many things. Sexuality as well.
 
WHy don't people adress real life problems, and maybe make their own depressing/miserable lives better, and regain their zest for life, rather than saying, oh life is PERFECT, life is WONDERFUL, everything is great, it's ME that's the problem.
 
Becuase half the time, I seriously doubt its YOU or it's us thats the problem.
 
I do think it's life in general.

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   Posted 7/11/2007 12:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Hi Puffy
Welcome to the board, I am very glad that you found us.
That is quite the outlook,I understand alot of your thoughts on this..is that something that just came to you?


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   Posted 7/11/2007 1:02 PM (GMT -7)   
Hello Puffy

your post made me laugh (well maybe snort would be more accurate!) because I sometimes say "well if you just get rid of all the wars, child abuse, animal abuse, rudeness etc etc" I'd be fine.

I do have issues of course, but the way the world is sure doesn't help sometimes!
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   Posted 7/11/2007 1:43 PM (GMT -7)   
I don't really think it's fair to say that though. That's like telling someone to just "suck it up and get over it" and that they're only depressed because they're not trying, and sometimes that just isn't the case. A lot of us know what we COULD do to make it better or what the problem is but we just CAN'T change it. It's a lot easier said than done when you're not the one with the problem...

Sorry if that came off as rude, I didn't mean it to.
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Puffy2
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   Posted 7/11/2007 1:43 PM (GMT -7)   
haha. lol. Thanks guys at least you're positive about it. My post was trying to take a really simplistic approach to it, and bring up the obvious. Many people surprisingly overlook all of that, and it's disturbing.
It's common knowledge, it's in the back of their heads but yes, as I was sitting there on my computer reading all these depression posts, it just came to me that these people are completely overlooking the obvious, and internalizing their depression. They're blaming it on themselves, their perceptions and their inabilities to conquer life, when in all reality, it really isn't them. lol. Yes, it would help if they were stronger, more resilient, and had better coping mechanisms, or a better brain chemistry, and the right drugs would alter that, but I MUST state the obvious!! It'S NOT YOUR FAULT, it's liiiiiiiiiiiiiiife. lol.

Now I'm going to laugh, rather snort. lol.

:Hugs:

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   Posted 7/14/2007 4:55 AM (GMT -7)   
Hi Puffy,
 
You make a good point in as much as there is more to depression than simply neurology or self-blame. Circumstances can also be responsible (Such as divorce, berevement etc...) but you also have to remember that some people who suffer from depression dont always look at the world the same way as others. Sometimes there can be warped perceptions. Thats just my 2 penny worth.
 
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   Posted 7/14/2007 11:57 AM (GMT -7)   
Puffy2 said...as I was sitting there on my computer reading all these depression posts, it just came to me that these people are completely overlooking the obvious, and internalizing their depression. They're blaming it on themselves, their perceptions and their inabilities to conquer life, when in all reality, it really isn't them. lol. Yes, it would help if they were stronger, more resilient, and had better coping mechanisms, or a better brain chemistry, and the right drugs would alter that, but I MUST state the obvious!!
Welcome Puffy.  As I was reading your posts on this thread I have to wonder if you have depression or are you just stating your opinion on this topic? 
I do have a different view than what you have posted here.  We are not internalizing our depression...if we were then we would not be on this wonderful site seeking support and information on it.  Or seeking treatment for it with counseling, medications and doctors.  Granted, there are many people who blame their depression on themselves and don't know or realize that depression is a physical disorder due to lack of serotonin in the brain.  Some of us have had a rough life or just a nasty start to it (I can attest to that) but I totally disagree that "life and our inabilities to conquer it" is the problem.  See, I was abused in many ways, for many years as a child.  Despite what has happened to me and what environment I grew up in I was able to go to college and have a successful job.  Despite the abuse, I most likely would of had depression anyway since my mother has it as does my father...so genetics play a huge part in it also.  That is a fact.
In my opinion, those of us who have depression are the strongest people, most resilient and have better coping mechanisms than anyone else.  If we didn't than we wouldn't be here fighting everyday.

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Zomese
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   Posted 7/14/2007 12:50 PM (GMT -7)   
Els I agree with you 100% !!!!!!!
 
Puffy2 I have to say I disagree with you completely. I never once thought I was the cause of my own depression. I've always been confused by it, because when I'm depressed, I don't know why. But I have bipolar depression so that could be why I feel different.
 
I don't look a life and say "this & that" has me depressed. Actually I say quite the opposite. I have everything I could want and yet I still get depressed. It's very frusterating. For me though it is usually followed by a week or so of being manic.
 
For me depression is just an overwhelming feeling throughout my entire body. I can't pinpoint what causes it. If it were that easy I would just fix that one thing. Or I'd just go out and buy a self help book and be cured.
 
Sorry, but I don't think it works that way.
 
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   Posted 7/14/2007 4:10 PM (GMT -7)   

puffy2,

i, too, must disagree with you.  in my life i have experienced too many people who refuse to take responsibility for their own actions, saying "the devil/spirit/my family/the bartender/etc. made me do it."  i want to screem!!!!

yes, those of us on this forum have had a bad break, or tweo, or three, or four.  so what?  what's next?  we didn't die from our experiences (yet).  Yes, we are truely the strong ones in life's little drama.  we have survived.

yes, i have chemical imballances in my brain, chronic debilitating back pain, copd, and and early signs of old age.  so what?

it's my belief that it's not what happens to you in this life, it's how you react to it that matters.  you determine how you react.  sometimes (often) that's the only thing you can control.  but you ARE in control.

i've forgotten the author, but this is one of my favorite poems, underscoring my point:

out of the night that covers me

black as the pit from pole to pole

i thank whatever gods may be

for my unquerable soul.

through the fell clutch of circumstance

i have not winced or cried aloud

through the bludgions of chance

my head is bloody but unbowed

it matters not how straight the gate

nor charged with punishments the scroll

i am the master of my fate

i am the captain of my soul.

 

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Puffy2
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   Posted 7/15/2007 7:28 AM (GMT -7)   
Okay guys, upon reading your posts, I see your points. I guess what I really meant to say was, I encountered MANY people in life who were either, lazy, in some pain, but more or less just had really low self esteem, didn't believe in themselves, couldn't rise up to either intellectual/physical/school related/work related/bill related pressures, so they opted out for saying they had things wrong with them, as an excuse for their inability to perform in life.

True depression can seriously hinder you and your abilities, but there are also many phonies out there who are just ashamed of their inability to do things, so they blame it on something else, and that's just really annoying.

I agree with you guys, and didn't mean to categorize ALL of you under the same boat, just under MY experience with people with depression, many of them have just bene phony.

You are also right when it comes to, your depression has a huge role how you see the world around you.

I did suffer from depression/anxiety and asthma, but I bounce back and forth. I realize when I'm depressed what it is, and I usually try my b est to get active, drink coffee, take certain meds, just basically speed myself up, so that I avoid the sad, down, slow part of the depression, and how it affects my mood.

Depression/Anxiety/Neurology is a very tricky, complicated thing, and I am in no shape, way or form, qualified to make such bold statements and pass them off as fact, but I guess we're allowed to state how we feel on these boards.

I just think though that our understanding and treatment of these things is very new still, and many of the therapies just don't cut it.

I was watching the movie "one flew over the cuckoo's nest" yesterday with Jack Nicholson, and if you guys haven't seen it, it's about his character who is deemed "Crazy" and put in a nuthouse, with other people who are crazy. He's actually normal, but a bit of a bad boy, many of the other inmates however are "Crazy", to a degree, because you can actually SEE their impairment.

There's a point to this! lol.

When I saw this movie for the first time, several years ago when I was depressed, and I guess younger/had less imput, I thought the hospital staff/Nurse Ratchet ( who were pretty much extremely authoritative/evil and in the end gave Nicholson's character a lobotomy for being violent), I thought they were criminal and I thhought these institutions and treatments were very wrong and horrible.

Now I saw things from a different perspective. THe staff and Nurse Ratchett, may come across as mean, but that's only as a direct result from the actions of the members of the hospital. They were never mean just for the hell of it, and if they were it was to a small degree that all of us, as humans, have the potential to be.

I saw the crazy people for what they were, actually had problems, (sorry to use the word crazy here, I just really am typing fast and want to get my point across.).

In the past I thought, YAY for the mentally insane, and NAY for the hospital stafff. They were authority and since I felt I could relate to the depressed I thought we were the good guys, they were just trying to destroy our spirits/souls.

Now I see that was never the case. The Hospital Staff had a grip on reality, the way things ran, the government, institutions, their own responsibility for the patients, and their own responsibility to try to keep them calm and "help" them, and if that wasn't an option, to treat them to at least be "calm" in a safe environment that's away from general society, which they're incapable of being in.

It's funny how depression/anxiety/ and other neurological disorders affect your perception.

When people ask, "how do you know what's real and normal from what's not?"

Well we don't really have a choice. It basically comes down to, we have a real world out there going on, and if you're unable to grasp it, know things about it, function in it, and what not, then you're the one with the problem, not the world. That's basically reality. Now, the world itself is a crazy/hectic/complicated place, and just because you may n ot be able to function in it doesn't make you the bad guy, but that's the guidelines by which they go by.


When you're "Crazy" not many people will see or feel what you're going through, aside from the other members who also have your condition, that's why it's SO hard to relate to the un-depressed.

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   Posted 7/15/2007 7:38 AM (GMT -7)   

I am editing your post due to forum rule 3 & 10...

3. No posts that attack, insult, "flame", or abuse members or guests.   Respect other members of the community and don’t belittle, make fun off, or insult another member.  Decisions about health and well-being are highly personal, individual choices.  "Flaming" and insults, however, will not be tolerated. Agree to disagree. This applies to both the forums and chat.
10. No posts of an overtly political or religious nature OR posts promoting advocacy of particular personal, medical, legal, religious, political, or non-profit causes.  The forums are intended for offering mutual personal support.  Debating controversial subjects should be taken elsewhere.  Limited religious references are allowed (ie. "my prayers are with you" or a brief quote as part of a larger post), but the forums should not be used to convert others. 
 
I am going to submit these posts to the Admin and let him decide if they should be restored to the forum or not.
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djdaz_1985
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   Posted 7/15/2007 12:46 PM (GMT -7)   

Hi Puffy,

It seems obvious to me that you have had a problem with "depressed" people previously in your life and this has coloured your judgement about genuine people. I welcome and respect your opinion and I understand that you (like many others, including myself at times) have difficulty in telling who is genuine and who is "pulling the wool". However, I would try not to be quite so aggressive in the manner in which you voice these opinions. (And by aggressive, I dont mean the violent kind. I suppose forthright is a better word). Many people on here are current sufferers, some have suffered and provide support and some have experience and use this to provide support and, even though Im sure your intention is good, it would be very easy to take offence to the language you use at times.

With reference to Hypocondria, it is a condition like any other and whilst non-sufferers can see that the behaviour they engage in is unhealthy and not helpful to themselves, suffers often cannot see this since they believe what they are saying is true. If someone said to you "The sky is purple", you would argue that the sky is blue. (under normal circumsatnces of course!) If you compare this back to your own analogy: "they're quick to dismiss anyone else who doesn't believe in what they do. And that is just extremism, no different than religious or political or racial extremism." that then makes you the extremist. Because you are the one dismissing the fact that the sky is blue.

The bottom line is that HW is a site dedicated to supporting people with various illnesses/conditions and helping them to learn more about their illness/conditions. We share our experiences in the hope that it will help others and I hope that you, too, can be part of this healing process.

Best Wishes

Darren



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   Posted 7/15/2007 1:41 PM (GMT -7)   

Puffy2, Darren has been very kind in his reply to you here.  I understand you mean no intentional disrespect in your posts here but I think you do need to know that they are offencive.  Your just stating your opinion regarding depression/anxiety and what your experiences have been (with others or yourself) however, do realize that your perspective is not appropriate to post here on this forum.  As Darren said this forum is for info and support.

You stated: "Anyways, I also believe that many people are simply hypochondriacs, and love coming on these boards.  Well, that's not leading a normal life, I'm sorry it really isn't. I just think we all have to get used to really living with depression, and still leading a "normal" life and not coming on here all day long."  I just have to say that I spent a good 10 minutes reading your posts on this one thread...if you don't think posting here is productive for people (as they will continue to ponder their illnesses, no matter if they are depressed or "hypochondriacs" as you catorigize it) then I have to wonder why you take so much time to post on this site?  Do you think your comments are going to make someone just "snap out" of it or that they are helping?

Words can be a very effective weapon and those of us who seek mutual support on this forum take great care with those words we choose to post here.  We are not going to debate about depression, who has it, why, how they manage it or what we personally think/feel regarding it.  This just simply isn't productive to HW or anyone who suffers with this disorder.  So, if you are unable to contribute to this forum in a positive manner then please don't post.


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ediekristen
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   Posted 7/15/2007 2:37 PM (GMT -7)   
Puffy2 said...


If you ask me, I find these to be pretty ignorant, uninformed statements, and I myself as well as alot of other members I'm sure do take offense to this.
So you think everyone with depression is just whining about insignificant, petty parts of life and that we just make everyone else feel crappy by "constantly complaining" about over our "sucky" problems? I'm sorry but this is a WIDE generalization and I don't think it's fair to say that at all. So, you have a great life and can handle anything that comes your way. Good for you. Not everyone has this privilege. And what makes you think we all CHOOSE to live this way? Like we think it's fun to sit around and feel this way? Like we don't WANT to go out and do "normal" things like you "normal" people?

You know what? I'm not even going to continue this response. I can't even put into words how ignorant and rude your comments were. Sorry.

I am sorry for the edit to your post here hardcorespace...I am just removing this members posts from the board for now.  Thank you for your understanding - Elisha

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ediekristen
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   Posted 7/15/2007 2:42 PM (GMT -7)   
If you feel so strongly about this, why don't you hop on over to the Bipolar thread and tell them that their depression is just inconsequential and that you "think it's pathetic that people with depression choose to NOT lead any type of a life, and spend their whole lives fighting their "illness" even though they're getting the best treatment their own money can buy."
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   Posted 7/15/2007 3:31 PM (GMT -7)   
hello everyone, first time on! wow! i don't even know where to begin! no comment to "puffy"!
having problems with withdrawling from lamictal. if anyone is around, i will go into further details. have been diagnosed with bp about 12 years ago. looking back, i've had symptoms all of my life!

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   Posted 7/15/2007 3:53 PM (GMT -7)   

Puffy 2,

What can I say to you that has not already been said?

1. IMHO you are biased and I feel you have made some very hurtful comments in your lengthy posts.

2. I am an advocate for mental health and it is difficult to know if you are?

The forums are intended for offering mutual personal support.  Debating controversial subjects  or opinions should be taken elsewhere. 

I am sorry if this sounds judgemental as it is not intended to but I just don't know exactly what your purpose is with the lengthy posts.

Sincerely

Kitt


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ediekristen
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   Posted 7/15/2007 4:15 PM (GMT -7)   
stkitt said...
Puffy 2,

What can I say to you that has not already been said?

1. IMHO you are biased and I feel you have made some very hurtful comments in your lengthy posts.

2. I am an advocate for mental health and it is difficult to know if you are?

The forums are intended for offering mutual personal support. Debating controversial subjects or opinions should be taken elsewhere.

I am sorry if this sounds judgemental as it is not intended to but I just don't know exactly what your purpose is with the lengthy posts.

Sincerely

Kitt


It seems to me as if he came on here to state his opinion regarding depression and "crazy" people, being a "normal" person himself who has suffered from "depression" and pulled right out of it by drinking coffee so we should ALL be able to do that and be movie stars while we're at it, depression be darned. Oh and also to try to determine whether or not we are either just sitting around being lazy and depressed, or if we're living normal, productive lives, which it seems that we're not since we're all on here "all the time".

That's mostly what I gathered out of it, really.
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   Posted 7/15/2007 4:48 PM (GMT -7)   
Puffy2, I have edited your post due to forum rule
3. No posts that attack, insult, "flame", or abuse members or guests.   Respect other members of the community and don’t belittle, make fun off, or insult another member.  Decisions about health and well-being are highly personal, individual choices.  "Flaming" and insults, however, will not be tolerated. Agree to disagree. This applies to both the forums and chat.
10. No posts of an overtly political or religious nature OR posts promoting advocacy of particular personal, medical, legal, religious, political, or non-profit causes.  The forums are intended for offering mutual personal support.  Debating controversial subjects should be taken elsewhere.  Limited religious references are allowed (ie. "my prayers are with you" or a brief quote as part of a larger post), but the forums should not be used to convert others.
Had you come on this forum and asked your questions below I dont believe that anyone would of had any problems here.  I am sorry that you feel "the victim" here and are being "attacked"...I feel that it is truly sad that you just dont "get it".  If you are uneducated regarding these matters than look them up or google them, dont state your personal opinions in a public forum that is intended toward healing.  Also, I think before you post again you need to review the forum rules which is something you should of done before you started.  Yes, this is America BUT this forum is privately owned so you cant just say anything and everything you want here....atleast not without the risk of being edited by the mods or more from the Admin.
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BUt anyways, I seriously DO want to talk about the conditions themselves, which you are all focused on, and like the posts above me said, that's what you're all here for, not to hear some random guy talk about his views. God, I'm almost like Rosie O'Donnell. :-/

As far as I'm concerned, I was diagnosed with depression back in 1998 ish, I've seen countless of therapists, but they all came to their own different conclusions, and I never really reached the bottom of what was wrong. I've been on Paxil, Lexapro, Effexor, Xanax/Ativan (for anxiety mostly) and various herbals like 5 htp.

I've since then stopped all treatment except for the 5 htp. Does this really DO anything?

I DO agree that part of this is definitely neurology based, but I guess I'm also just so skeptical about doctors because I've had SO many that came to so many different conclusions. One thought it was teen angst, back in the day, another thought it was bi-polar disorder, then depression, then anxiety disorder, then food allergy. lol.

It was just insane, so I guess I kind of gave up on it.

To me, depression is hard to diagnose, and I'm sure I suffer from it to a degree, and I don't know.

You guys are obviously more educated on it and the treatments available, so

why don't you guys enlighten me, and try to offer help, which is what you guys say you're here to do. Hopefully we're done with the taking insults and personal offenses.

Again, I'm kinda bummed that this turned out this way, but I guess I only have myself to blame in a sense. But still guys, plz lighten up.

Thanks.

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kiwi000
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   Posted 7/15/2007 5:39 PM (GMT -7)   
Puffy,

I don't have depression but my wife does. And bad things generally passed us by and we had a good, easy life with a wonderful family and a great child. My wife did not choose to become depressed and her life is much the worse for being depressed. You seem to have started your thread by saying "suck it up, life happens!".

If only it were that easy. My wife's experience is humbling. She was/is a high powered advertising exec, she was/is an awesome mother and is the love of my life. Today, she is an angry, vituperous person who has lost touch with what used to be important and is lashing out at everyone who loves her. This is not a choice for her, she can't see or think of any other way to deal with the way she feels right now. And at the end of all of this, I have no clue whether or not she'll want to be with me.

Yes, depression is hard to diagnose and, from reading these forums, those with depression do have the propensity to deny their condition. There's also a archaic societal stigma attached to mental illness that is wrong and short sighted. In New Zealand, they have a campaign to increase awareness of mental illness called www.outoftheblue.org.nz . Trying to destigmatise depression and other mental illnesses is important so that more people get help without fear of judgement. People can be part of that destigmatisation or they can keep up the old view that it's a choice and life happens.

I'd recommend you see professional if you want diagnosis. These forums have been a huge help to people like me who are affected by depression, either directly or indirectly.

You do have a choice. If you're depressed, you didn't choose that but you can choose how you relate to everyone else and discuss your issues. Everyone else here has taken their time to support people they don't even know, just like me.


Lastly, as Voltare said, "I may not like what you say but I'll defend with my life your right to say it". However, this is not the right outlet to vent your views, just as the gas station forecourt is not the right place to light a cigarette. This place is where people like me come to seek help and support.

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   Posted 7/15/2007 5:58 PM (GMT -7)   
Thanks to the forum moderators, u guys are right, and Ill stick to the actual depression/advise rather than go in any violations.

Anyways, to kiwi, I actually can relate to your wife. I used to be very motivated and successful and just seemed to do things and eventually I just kind of snapped and had problems and became very angry and what not. I think life experience just does that, or may do that.

Did your wife experience personal failures, challenges, struggles, other people being rude to her, or did she ever feel like she failed in anyway?

But ur right, it's not easy. and yes, it IS depression and even if its caused by real things, its still there and its still a problem and what not.

I haven't found a solution unfortunately.

Hey I'm here too for support and advice,

I guess I just..started off on the wrong foot.

Puffy2
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   Posted 7/15/2007 6:00 PM (GMT -7)   
I sincerely apologize to everyone, I really do.

xoxo.

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   Posted 7/15/2007 6:57 PM (GMT -7)   

Thank you Puffy :-)

 


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   Posted 7/15/2007 8:10 PM (GMT -7)   
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